BF2S Forums support for the terrorists????????!!!!!!

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:

Anyways, reasons like theese are why they are "terroists" in the first place. They are too chicken shit to fight military style so they surround themselves with civilians. And if they want a kill they just blow themselves, and everyone around them up.

I'm sorry, what do you expect them to do, stand in an open field and wait for Israeli F-16's and Apache Helicopters to bomb them to pieces?  What would you do if an army as powerful as the IDF invaded your city and killed hundreds of your neighbors?  Would you "fight military style" or would you probably use guerrilla tactics?

Also, I don't recall Hezbollah carrying out any suicide attacks on Israel in this present conflict.  Hezbollah guerrillas have engaged IDF soldiers and are managing to hold their own just fine.  "Military style."

And furthermore, if Hezbollah's tactics are so "cowardly" why don't you explain to me just how dropping bombs from the safety of an F-16 is any more courageous?

Come on guys, THINK before you make an argument, don't just repeat what you've heard.

I would expect the following. This would prevent this from ever happening in the first place. Also military style seems to work pretty damn good for most countries.  The middle east and other, more primative places, are the only establishments with this problem.

A) Don't capture a countries troops for no good reason.
B) Don't walk into a neighboring country and blow yourself and everyone around you up.
C) Don't fake battle injuries and deaths and try to blame it on another country.
D) Have your government take some responsibility to control the population instead of harbouring terrorists and making them part of the government.
E) A government should not stick up for terrorists.
F) Admit that you lost the first war and recognize the other peoples borders. This would keep them from taking more land.
G) Assemble a true military force, not only to defend yourself, but to keep your own terrorists in check.

Speaking of just repeating things, which is what terrorists seem to do. Repeat ideals and actions based on someone elses solution. Nobody seems to understand or want to take the initiave for a peaceful solution. That is until they are getting blown up. Then they are the victims all of the sudden.

On your comment about what would I do and the F-16s...well this scenario simply would not exist for me. If my country was out suicide bombing, capturing hostages, and running around the streets with AKs, I would join the force to stop them or I would leave it.

Using human sheilds is being cowardly. Here is why. Keep in mind that the Hezbollah took the iniative to start this whole thing based on the premise that they wouldn't attack due to the fact they are using human sheilds.
They have been executing acts of war for months now! Taking hostages and suicide bombings are rightfully considered acts of war.  Leveling a city and letting them know that they don't care if they are using human sheilds isn't cowardly...its a pretty damn good counter to terrorism. Its sad and unfortunate, but if you want to get to the source you have to eliminate their tatics. Its a logical first step.

You are acting like they are sitting around pushing buttons and there is nobody on the ground taking bullets. And don't tell me to think, asshole. I don't really care if you agree or not, but to say "its just repeating what you heard" is retarded, like you. Its an obvious fact that you are guilty of just as much as the rest of the world. The only question is how far back you are willing to go before you start pointing the finger. So fuck off.

jonsimon wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Have you ever stopped to consider why they hate us from west? Its always "they hate us so we should blow the shit out of them."  But never, "why does a whole region made up of 10s of millions of ppl spanning many countries hate America and Britain?"

BTW, I don't see Hezbola as terrorists. When another country invades another sovereign nation I think its described as war and the ppl taking part are soilders not terrorists. Its interesting how countries who want to start unjust wars, simply label the enemy terrorists to allow themselves to breach every law of war and human right possible and still maintain support and avoid international law. Its all about propaganda.

The first part has some sense to it. Iraq is an unjust war. The Israeli war is not unjust by any means. Their soldiers were captured for no good reason, in the months before the war, there have been a record number of suicide bombings in Israel (since the last cease fire.) The government has placed KNOWN TERRORISTS, not just to Israel, but to the majority of the world, IN CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT POSITIONS (security) The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed. Their country has had the opportunity to remove the terrorist threat, but instead they support it.  Now the people are suffering the consequences.

Your second part is way off the mark. They are terrorists and they require a whole different type of warfare than your average soldier. Countries TREAT them as a military force. However most real military forces are alot more respectable than to hide in hospitals, peoples homes, and in large crowds. Most militarys won't blow themselves up in public just  to kill people.

An intersting note on this is how do they come up with civilian deaths in this case? I bet it depends on who is doing the counting because terrorists (or any guerilla force) looks like your average civilian. You could bomb a room full of terrorists and still have "reports" of a large number of civilians killed.

Anyways, reasons like theese are why they are "terroists" in the first place. They are too chicken shit to fight military style so they surround themselves with civilians. And if they want a kill they just blow themselves, and everyone around them up.

Captured for no good reason? They were captured because Israel never released their Lebannese prisoners.

Suicide bombings are uncontrollable by the upper leadership of any organization. Any radical can convince a child who is already a radical themsevles to sacrifice his or her life and supply the means to do so. Besides, Hezbollah has not used suicide attacks.

Hezbollah as a whole is a terrorist organization only in the eyes of Israel, the US, the UK, and Canada.

"The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed." Ironic that Israel has killed a hundred times as many civillians in a time span drastically shorter.

Your second part is WAY off the mark. They are not terrorists as stated above. They have a geurilla paramilitary wing, but they are not terrorists. As for a different type of warfare, you should look up "Asymetrical warfare" on wikipedia.

Again, Hezbollah has not resorted to suicide attacks as of yet.

Considering these militants are part of a militia of minutemen they are civillians when off duty. Every grunt is a Lebannese citizen.

As for bravery, bombing and shelling is hardly brave.

LOL

No suicide bombings???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1983 … sy_bombing

Also, they didn't just capture troops...they went in there and killed 8 of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

Last edited by 908741059871059781 (2006-08-04 14:52:36)

lowing wrote:

To all who posted.

No I know the majority of the ME feels this way, however it is a little disconcerting that the Iraqis whom we are there trying to help recover from a violent regime would protest in favor of this terrorist group. I mean, ok, ya don't like Israel, but to actually support terrorism??!!

You are also correct the 911 bombings count as "screwing with the west" however, we took care of the taliban and let the terrorists know, as well as the hostile ME govts. that, from now on the gloves will be off.

I think we can agree to stay out of the ME, if they agree to leave Israel alone and stop the terror around the world. It is a pipe dream though and will never materialize.

All in all, this article just makes me realize there is no hope for peace in the ME and I will have to be content for peace for the rest of us.

As far as starting the problems with the creation of Israel, it is time to understand these people have been the most persecuted people in the history of the world. They need a place to settle and live in peace. They have as much right to exist in the ME as the Muslims do. But now I am leaning toward staying out of it and let Israel do its thing, (of which we all know they are capable of doing)

QFT

rawls2 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:

The first part has some sense to it. Iraq is an unjust war. The Israeli war is not unjust by any means. Their soldiers were captured for no good reason, in the months before the war, there have been a record number of suicide bombings in Israel (since the last cease fire.) The government has placed KNOWN TERRORISTS, not just to Israel, but to the majority of the world, IN CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT POSITIONS (security) The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed. Their country has had the opportunity to remove the terrorist threat, but instead they support it.  Now the people are suffering the consequences.

Your second part is way off the mark. They are terrorists and they require a whole different type of warfare than your average soldier. Countries TREAT them as a military force. However most real military forces are alot more respectable than to hide in hospitals, peoples homes, and in large crowds. Most militarys won't blow themselves up in public just  to kill people.

An intersting note on this is how do they come up with civilian deaths in this case? I bet it depends on who is doing the counting because terrorists (or any guerilla force) looks like your average civilian. You could bomb a room full of terrorists and still have "reports" of a large number of civilians killed.

Anyways, reasons like theese are why they are "terroists" in the first place. They are too chicken shit to fight military style so they surround themselves with civilians. And if they want a kill they just blow themselves, and everyone around them up.

Captured for no good reason? They were captured because Israel never released their Lebannese prisoners.

Suicide bombings are uncontrollable by the upper leadership of any organization. Any radical can convince a child who is already a radical themsevles to sacrifice his or her life and supply the means to do so. Besides, Hezbollah has not used suicide attacks.

Hezbollah as a whole is a terrorist organization only in the eyes of Israel, the US, the UK, and Canada.

"The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed." Ironic that Israel has killed a hundred times as many civillians in a time span drastically shorter.

Your second part is WAY off the mark. They are not terrorists as stated above. They have a geurilla paramilitary wing, but they are not terrorists. As for a different type of warfare, you should look up "Asymetrical warfare" on wikipedia.

Again, Hezbollah has not resorted to suicide attacks as of yet.

Considering these militants are part of a militia of minutemen they are civillians when off duty. Every grunt is a Lebannese citizen.

As for bravery, bombing and shelling is hardly brave.

FYI, Hezbollah pioneered the suicide bomber. They have since abandoned that tactic. But a bunch of other groups learned that from hezbollah. BTW, stop crying for people who would chop your head off in a heart beat. It makes me puke. I could see you now, wearing that orange jumpsuit. A bunch of "paramilitary wing soldiers" chanting shit from the koran, holding AK's and one guy with a big machete. They let you speak and you say, "But I defended you guys, I told everyone on the forum you were fighting for your land. I hate Israel too. Why?....Ughh....gurgle gurgle.....sigh"- your last breathe. Yup thats pretty much how it would go. I feel sorry for you.

2 much tv 4 u mate.

rawls2 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:

The first part has some sense to it. Iraq is an unjust war. The Israeli war is not unjust by any means. Their soldiers were captured for no good reason, in the months before the war, there have been a record number of suicide bombings in Israel (since the last cease fire.) The government has placed KNOWN TERRORISTS, not just to Israel, but to the majority of the world, IN CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT POSITIONS (security) The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed. Their country has had the opportunity to remove the terrorist threat, but instead they support it.  Now the people are suffering the consequences.

Your second part is way off the mark. They are terrorists and they require a whole different type of warfare than your average soldier. Countries TREAT them as a military force. However most real military forces are alot more respectable than to hide in hospitals, peoples homes, and in large crowds. Most militarys won't blow themselves up in public just  to kill people.

An intersting note on this is how do they come up with civilian deaths in this case? I bet it depends on who is doing the counting because terrorists (or any guerilla force) looks like your average civilian. You could bomb a room full of terrorists and still have "reports" of a large number of civilians killed.

Anyways, reasons like theese are why they are "terroists" in the first place. They are too chicken shit to fight military style so they surround themselves with civilians. And if they want a kill they just blow themselves, and everyone around them up.

Captured for no good reason? They were captured because Israel never released their Lebannese prisoners.

Suicide bombings are uncontrollable by the upper leadership of any organization. Any radical can convince a child who is already a radical themsevles to sacrifice his or her life and supply the means to do so. Besides, Hezbollah has not used suicide attacks.

Hezbollah as a whole is a terrorist organization only in the eyes of Israel, the US, the UK, and Canada.

"The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed." Ironic that Israel has killed a hundred times as many civillians in a time span drastically shorter.

Your second part is WAY off the mark. They are not terrorists as stated above. They have a geurilla paramilitary wing, but they are not terrorists. As for a different type of warfare, you should look up "Asymetrical warfare" on wikipedia.

Again, Hezbollah has not resorted to suicide attacks as of yet.

Considering these militants are part of a militia of minutemen they are civillians when off duty. Every grunt is a Lebannese citizen.

As for bravery, bombing and shelling is hardly brave.

FYI, Hezbollah pioneered the suicide bomber. They have since abandoned that tactic. But a bunch of other groups learned that from hezbollah. BTW, stop crying for people who would chop your head off in a heart beat. It makes me puke. I could see you now, wearing that orange jumpsuit. A bunch of "paramilitary wing soldiers" chanting shit from the koran, holding AK's and one guy with a big machete. They let you speak and you say, "But I defended you guys, I told everyone on the forum you were fighting for your land. I hate Israel too. Why?....Ughh....gurgle gurgle.....sigh"- your last breathe. Yup thats pretty much how it would go. I feel sorry for you.

stop crying for people who would, in a second, declare you unjustly as a terrorist and blow up your family, Then come onto media outlets and righteously proclaim the war for freedom can't be stopped and it's good for everyone, move into your old house, and then leave you on the streets with nothing but rocks to throw.

No support for terrorists.

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-08-04 16:09:43)

One minute we have hundreds of posts on this saying, no palestine started it they are terrorists who blow up children, then some other guy goes your a smacktard israel started it by getting kiked out of germany by the Nazis etc etc

So really were all of us controlling palestine and israel now what would we have been doing for the last 2 weeks, umm i think we'd be shooting each other. So really we are just as bad as they are. it doesnt really matter whoes fault it is. the question is why dont they just stop shooting each / being pussies by hiding behind their kids / being pussies for killing the people launching rockets.

Finally to all the smacktards arguing about how they are pussies for flying f-16s / using artilary, like you can fucking talk. sitting all pretty on the internet probably thousands of miles away from this. Fucking go there. refuse to use the jet and treck out on your own 1 man mission to assasinate all of hezbolla as quickly as possible with ur m16...........Lets say everycountry in the world invades your country be it america poland, wherever. Try and tell me that nobody would use a jet, a piece of artillary, a nuke anything apart from their barehands to beat back the invaders...........lets be honest how is using a gun braver than a plane, you can still stand 100m away, why not just use barehands and teeth like a real man...[/sarcasm]

*COUGH* solar panel *COUGH*

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

lowing wrote:

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

And where are the articles to support your claims that Hezbollah recruits children, deliberately uses civilians as shields, and threatens reporters with murder?

And no, you're not stupid, there are definitely differences in the ways these two groups conduct themselves...one has fighter jets, helicopters, tanks, bombs, missiles, and artillery, the other has a handful of barely accurate rockets and guerilla tactics.

I'm not here to say that what Hezbollah is doing is right - but I am definitely here to vehemently criticize anyone who just blindly sides with Israel.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/ … 007656.php

well I answered your request, now go fetch mine. Show me where Hezzbolah has not comitted terror in 20 years.

LOL are you serious?  You cited some guy's blog?  Even I could have found a more credible article to counter my own argument.  Thanks for the laugh.

Oh and, I'm sorry, but it's a little difficult for me to find articles citing events that never happened... i.e. Hezbollah terror attacks that they never carried out... but if you look at the historical record, you'll find that the last time Hezbollah was involved in anything that can seriously be considered a terrorist attack was 1983.

I don't know about you, but I call entering a country, killing 8 soldiers, and taking two hostage an act of terror.(2006) They are not CLAIMING responsibility for the suicide bombings that led up to the war. There is no proof either way. I would tend not to believe them, considering most of the world looks at them as a terrorist group. In 2000 they where responsible for the last attacks on Israels security posts in eastern Lebonan. Why the need for security posts??? Do you think they would be there for ever if there are no more attacks on Israel????

P.S. The +1 just shows your inability to add anything useful, so its understood.

Last edited by 908741059871059781 (2006-08-04 17:13:33)

908741059871059781 wrote:

I don't know about you, but I call entering a country, killing 8 soldiers, and taking two hostage an act of terror

And I call it an act of war.  Had the initial attack been against civilians, I might consider it an act of terror.

It's useless debating people like you guys on this, however, because none of you seem to be capable of acknowledging Israel's history of ruthless, aggressive behavior toward its neighbors.

You treat the actions of Hezbollah and Hamas as though they are completely unprovoked.

Oh and you're welcome for the +1

Last edited by R3v0LuT!oN (2006-08-04 17:26:43)

Spumantiii wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Captured for no good reason? They were captured because Israel never released their Lebannese prisoners.

Suicide bombings are uncontrollable by the upper leadership of any organization. Any radical can convince a child who is already a radical themsevles to sacrifice his or her life and supply the means to do so. Besides, Hezbollah has not used suicide attacks.

Hezbollah as a whole is a terrorist organization only in the eyes of Israel, the US, the UK, and Canada.

"The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed." Ironic that Israel has killed a hundred times as many civillians in a time span drastically shorter.

Your second part is WAY off the mark. They are not terrorists as stated above. They have a geurilla paramilitary wing, but they are not terrorists. As for a different type of warfare, you should look up "Asymetrical warfare" on wikipedia.

Again, Hezbollah has not resorted to suicide attacks as of yet.

Considering these militants are part of a militia of minutemen they are civillians when off duty. Every grunt is a Lebannese citizen.

As for bravery, bombing and shelling is hardly brave.

FYI, Hezbollah pioneered the suicide bomber. They have since abandoned that tactic. But a bunch of other groups learned that from hezbollah. BTW, stop crying for people who would chop your head off in a heart beat. It makes me puke. I could see you now, wearing that orange jumpsuit. A bunch of "paramilitary wing soldiers" chanting shit from the koran, holding AK's and one guy with a big machete. They let you speak and you say, "But I defended you guys, I told everyone on the forum you were fighting for your land. I hate Israel too. Why?....Ughh....gurgle gurgle.....sigh"- your last breathe. Yup thats pretty much how it would go. I feel sorry for you.

stop crying for people who would, in a second, declare you unjustly as a terrorist and blow up your family, Then come onto media outlets and righteously proclaim the war for freedom can't be stopped and it's good for everyone, move into your old house, and then leave you on the streets with nothing but rocks to throw.

No support for terrorists.

Huh?

rawls2 wrote:

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:

I don't know about you, but I call entering a country, killing 8 soldiers, and taking two hostage an act of terror

And I call it an act of war.  Had the initial attack been against civilians, I might consider it an act of terror.

It's useless debating people like you guys on this, however, because none of you seem to be capable of acknowledging Israel's history of ruthless, aggressive behavior toward its neighbors.

You treat the actions of Hezbollah and Hamas as though they are completely unprovoked.

Oh and you're welcome for the +1

What about the people who refuse to acknowledge the persecution of jews for two thousand years.

Sorry rawls, apparently that is different. It seems to me that the only way to defend the Arab nations actions against Israel is to turn it into a giant reversal. Counter argue with the exact same argument, and you get a colossal stalemate. The ole' chicken or the egg thing.

You started it...nooooo you started it. noooooooo, I did it cuz you did it............ noooooooooo, I did it cuz you did first...............I didn't do it first you did...........noo I didn't do it first.......on and on and on.

The Muslims behavior in this world, can not be defended without the use of such a bullshit tactic. Even though everything that has been pointed out, clearly shows Israel on the defensive throughout history, and the fact that after being fucked with forever, they have turned the tables and are now on the offense, in there defensive measures, they are labeled the "aggressors". This shit cracks me up.

My favorite is the condemnation of Israel for taking land away from the very Muslims that tried to destroy Israel in 1967. Israel won the war that was started by the Muslims, and everyone can't believe the nerve of Israel for taking that land, but no one says shit about the Muslim nations that started the damn thing in the first place.

JahManRed wrote:

Israel and Lebanon have been involved in tit for tat attacks since the formation of Israel. Consider that 60 years ago millions of Palestinians moved of their land fled to Lebanon, became citizens and therefore voters. Hezbollah represented this  section of the Lebanese community. Now however, with the indiscriminate and collective punishment dealt out by Israel/USA Hezbola represents allot more of the population. Israel's tactic has been to "shock and aww" (were has this tactic failed before? were did they learn it from?) to convince the ppl of Lebanon that the struggle is futile. Infact they are radicalizing the whole country and neighboring countries too.
Anyone who argues that the taking of prisoners by Hezbollah is Terrorist kidnappings is obviously just waking up to what has been going on for a generation over there. Israel has been air striking and artyin' Lebanon for years. I would call that an act of war. War has been raging in the middle east for years, its just dressed up as arabs at it again! Therefore the solders taken were POW's.

The Shelling of Qana took place on April 18, 1996 in Qana, a village located southeast of Tyre, in Southern Lebanon, when Israeli artillery, returning fire against Hezbollah forces in the area, hit a Fijian UNIFIL compound in the village. Around 800 Lebanese civilians had taken refuge there to escape the fighting, of whom 106 were killed and around 116 others injured. Four UNIFIL soldiers were also seriously injured.

Above is one example of again disproportionate aggression. 106 civilians killed and 4 IDF solders killed. The Kill to death ratio for the Israeli army would be quite impressive, if it wasn't heavily bolstered by civilians.

Any mention where EXACTLY the Hezzbolah fighters were launching attacks from or hiding after they carried out there attacks. It wouldn't be among the civilian population ( women and children) now would it? Of course not.

I guess it would be "disproportionate" for Israel to defend itself against Muslim nations that have openly and continuously call out for its destruction and the extermination of all the Jews.

Last edited by lowing (2006-08-05 05:38:23)

Jeopardia_Ferdy wrote:

Yeah but the fact that Israel nearly acts in the same way the third reich did (ie. achieving soil for their people in the east...) makes me angry...they should know best as they were the one who suffered most from the third reich...but by still taking money from Germany and doing the same thing Germany did back then makes em even worse...think Germany showed em how it is done...
and oh anyone remember how the second world war started? didn't Germany "claimed they were attacked first" by Poland? sounds familiar huh?

BTW: War never determines who is right, only who is left...

"yeah but"........that is enough said in regards to the question of where and how Hezzbollah conducts itself in battle.

I never read that Germany claimed that they were attacked by Poland, but if they did, I bet it was viewed as  ridiculous as the claim that Israel is the aggressor in all of this and the poor "PEACE LOVING" Muslims are the victims.

BTW: "Give me liberty or give me death"