Nobody is going to attack Ireland Lisik. We have great relations with all people of the world, including the arabic world. There is a street in Tehran named after the Irish hunger stiker Bobby Sands. Ireland also have great relations with Palestine. We also have great trade relations with Israel. If the Islamists are going to do anything on a global scale (which they're incapable of anyway - that's all scaremongering and race-hatred-incitement) then Ireland will be the last place to be attacked.Lisik wrote:
its dosent matter how we make a fights moron! it is stupid to send soldiers if u got arty and airforce! anyway.. we do something at time when u Comeronpoe trying to stop us! u are a fucking coward! when u country will be attacket by terrorist u will suck theyr dicks and be the fucking slave!CameronPoe wrote:
Airstrikes and artillery bombardments are not 'brave'. Troop movements are - but we have seen scant movement of troops as yet. The Israelis have preferred to stay at a distance and blow up infrastructure and residential areas. They should have been man enough to go in with the troops at the earliest opportunity. As such, they're as cowardly as the Hezzies.James-m wrote:
israel are cowards? yeah thats why theres airstrikes, troop movements and artillery bombardments 24/7. shut it asshole, you youve got about as much idea on this as george bush has about it. (none)
tell it to thouse who die in London metropolitan!Nobody is going to attack Ireland Lisik
hey i was defending israel i like israel alot!Lisik wrote:
its dosent matter how we make a fights moron! it is stupid to send soldiers if u got arty and airforce! anyway.. we do something at time when u Comeronpoe trying to stop us! u are a fucking coward! when u country will be attacket by terrorist u will suck theyr dicks and be the fucking slave!CameronPoe wrote:
Airstrikes and artillery bombardments are not 'brave'. Troop movements are - but we have seen scant movement of troops as yet. The Israelis have preferred to stay at a distance and blow up infrastructure and residential areas. They should have been man enough to go in with the troops at the earliest opportunity. As such, they're as cowardly as the Hezzies.James-m wrote:
israel are cowards? yeah thats why theres airstrikes, troop movements and artillery bombardments 24/7. shut it asshole, you youve got about as much idea on this as george bush has about it. (none)
it was to cameronJames-m wrote:
hey i was defending israel i like israel alot!Lisik wrote:
its dosent matter how we make a fights moron! it is stupid to send soldiers if u got arty and airforce! anyway.. we do something at time when u Comeronpoe trying to stop us! u are a fucking coward! when u country will be attacket by terrorist u will suck theyr dicks and be the fucking slave!CameronPoe wrote:
Airstrikes and artillery bombardments are not 'brave'. Troop movements are - but we have seen scant movement of troops as yet. The Israelis have preferred to stay at a distance and blow up infrastructure and residential areas. They should have been man enough to go in with the troops at the earliest opportunity. As such, they're as cowardly as the Hezzies.
Back to the original topic of the thread...
I read this the other day and thought it was interesting. Not that I agree with everything in it. There have been many instances where Europe has stood up to aggressors. A while back, when Theo Van Gogh was murdered by a muslim fanatic, I remember Nederlanders standing up quite well for themselves. Anyway....
EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE (Commentary by Mathias Dapfner
CEO, Axel Springer, AG)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/dapfner.asp
A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe
- your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't
get out of your head because it's so terribly true.
Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as
England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and
hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be
fought, not bound to toothless agreements.
Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet
Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe
where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments
were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all
other possibilities.
Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in
Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing
mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and
were still debating when finally the Americans had to come
from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do
our work for us.
Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European
appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word
"equidistance,"now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by
fundamentalist Palestinians.
Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore
nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder
machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the
peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George
Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of
the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of
billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.
And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of
appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating
violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere?
By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in
Germany?
I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of
our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed,
the German people, actually believe that creating an Official
State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of
the fanatical Islamists.
One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain
waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler, and
declaring European "Peace in our time".
What else has to happen before the European public and its
political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade
underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of
systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians,
directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent
upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.
It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of
the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict
conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and
"accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures,
which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the
Islamists for signs of weakness.
Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.
His American critics may quibble over the details, but we
Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand:
Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German
people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery.
And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting
on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War
against democracy. His place in history will have to be
evaluated after a number of years have passed.
In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic
self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of
defending liberal society's values and being an attractive
center of power on the same playing field as the true great
powers, America and China.
On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast
to those arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of
"tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto
Schily justifiably criticizes.
Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're
so materialistic so devoid of a moral compass.
For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge
amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and
persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike
almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake -
literally everything.
While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America
because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly
defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could
get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour
workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid
vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to
"reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".
These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with
shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry
when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.
Appeasement?
Europe, thy name is Cowardice.
I read this the other day and thought it was interesting. Not that I agree with everything in it. There have been many instances where Europe has stood up to aggressors. A while back, when Theo Van Gogh was murdered by a muslim fanatic, I remember Nederlanders standing up quite well for themselves. Anyway....
EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE (Commentary by Mathias Dapfner
CEO, Axel Springer, AG)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/dapfner.asp
A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe
- your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't
get out of your head because it's so terribly true.
Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives as
England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and
hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be
fought, not bound to toothless agreements.
Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet
Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe
where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments
were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all
other possibilities.
Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in
Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing
mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and
were still debating when finally the Americans had to come
from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do
our work for us.
Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European
appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word
"equidistance,"now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by
fundamentalist Palestinians.
Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore
nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder
machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the
peace-movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George
Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of
the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of
billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.
And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of
appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating
violence by Islamic fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere?
By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in
Germany?
I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of
our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed,
the German people, actually believe that creating an Official
State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of
the fanatical Islamists.
One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain
waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler, and
declaring European "Peace in our time".
What else has to happen before the European public and its
political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade
underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of
systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians,
directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent
upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.
It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of
the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict
conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and
"accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures,
which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the
Islamists for signs of weakness.
Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for
anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.
His American critics may quibble over the details, but we
Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand:
Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German
people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery.
And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting
on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War
against democracy. His place in history will have to be
evaluated after a number of years have passed.
In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic
self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of
defending liberal society's values and being an attractive
center of power on the same playing field as the true great
powers, America and China.
On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast
to those arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of
"tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto
Schily justifiably criticizes.
Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're
so materialistic so devoid of a moral compass.
For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge
amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and
persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike
almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake -
literally everything.
While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America
because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly
defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could
get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour
workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid
vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to
"reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".
These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with
shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry
when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.
Appeasement?
Europe, thy name is Cowardice.
I acknowledge that but the bombardment has decimated the entire country and gone on more than long enough. Troop movement should have started ages ago because they have now alienated the entire population of Lebanon - counter-productive to say the least.mavrick 3399 wrote:
i really dont like you lisik
and i understand cameron but doing airstrikes and arty means min death rate for your troops, if you were the leader of a country going to war you dont wont your troops to die, so you use other means first then send in the troops.
But Vietnam was your fight? How about when Iraq invaded Kuwait?stryyker wrote:
this isnt our fight. it does not deserve our action. unless it spreads war onto the rest of the Arabian, we should stay the fuck out, that goes for Europe too
hmmmmmm UN??
WTF did you like that fact that people in london died???Lisik wrote:
tell it to thouse who die in London metropolitan!Nobody is going to attack Ireland Lisik
if he does mean that mavrick hes one sick cunt.
What do you mean?James-m wrote:
hmmmmmm UN??
I think you are confused as to the political geography of Europe. Let me show you a map:Lisik wrote:
tell it to thouse who die in London metropolitan!Nobody is going to attack Ireland Lisik
The Republic of Ireland, an independent soveriegn nation, has nothing to do with England or London. What was your point?
what a fucking bastard!! i dont hear me saying everyone in israel should die, in fact war is just wrong but sometimes it needs to be done. lisik is just a prick!James-m wrote:
if he does mean that mavrick hes one sick cunt.
Lads read Lisik's postings in other threads - namely 'Israeli Heavy-Handedness' - he's a bigot. Don't let that shade your views of all ISraelis though: there are decent Israelis on the forum like QuestionMark and GIJew88.
Well I'll be damned..CameronPoe wrote:
Let me show you a map:
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_MAPS/0_ma … larged.jpg
The Republic of Ireland, an independent soveriegn nation, has nothing to do with England or London. What was your point?
Last edited by DonFck (2006-08-02 03:45:52)
I need around tree fiddy.
not doubting that its just terrorism is a difficult subject at the best of times but some who seems to be condoning it should not be regarded as decent!CameronPoe wrote:
Lads read Lisik's postings in other threads - namely 'Israeli Heavy-Handedness' - he's a bigot. Don't let that shade your views of all ISraelis though: there are decent Israelis on the forum like QuestionMark and GIJew88.
were did u take it from? of couse im not! i just gived example that any country can be attacket!mavrick 3399 wrote:
WTF did you like that fact that people in london died???Lisik wrote:
tell it to thouse who die in London metropolitan!Nobody is going to attack Ireland Lisik
Since when has objecting to the killing of civilians become an act of cowardice?
It's a common mistake. Other commong errors include "Canada does not exist" and "Australia is a small island with underdeveloped natives" (Okay, not common. But my school Chaplain did believe that second one.............)
is it hard to understand that death of lebanones civilins not make jews happy?
was allies happy when they bombed berlin and thousand of germans civilians died?
its war morons!
was allies happy when they bombed berlin and thousand of germans civilians died?
its war morons!
It may not be our fight but the Europeans did start this whole thing off. The British before ww1, moving in and messing with the Arab world. Hitler (europeen) for WW2. The subsequent forced removal of ppls from their lands by the Israeli under the protection of, yet more Europeans. Right up to today with Blair backing American backing Israel in their land grab.stryyker wrote:
this isn't our fight. it does not deserve our action. unless it spreads war onto the rest of the Arabian, we should stay the fuck out, that goes for Europe too
The ppl in the pictures represent a small minority of Muslims in Europe. You try to tag Muslims and spread your religious hate across the whole Arab world. We have this thing here called freedom of speech. Not the false kind in the US constitution but real freedom of speech. These ppl are a minority but they are allowed to express their believes. When you suppress a ppl and don't allow them to express their beliefs no matter how extreme, they go under ground and become more radicalized. We wouldn't have these people on the streets if the European countries had not been strong armed into following USA into an unjust war, disillusioning the Muslim populations of the countries involved. I live in Ireland, a neutral country and their has never been this kind of protest or even the treat of terrorist attacks.
*cough*Dresden*cough*
Who said that?
Who said that?
The only bad thing with EU is the politics!!! They are the biggest pussies ever to be born!!! Why thet don´t have the balls to go to war bcz that would make them "not neutral".
Imo EU and U.S. should turn the whole middle east into a smoking ruin(Maybe not Israels bcz they got balls), thet would be the only way to end all the war over there.
Imo EU and U.S. should turn the whole middle east into a smoking ruin(Maybe not Israels bcz they got balls), thet would be the only way to end all the war over there.
I think I'm pretty safe up here, a big rock in the middle of the ocean, the population is laughable, no point in terrorist attacks...
If they do we will seek vengeance with big axes. (No military at all)
If they do we will seek vengeance with big axes. (No military at all)
So then where will you get the big axes? That's right, you guys have been secretly militarising for years haven't you! WW3 will begin with the invasion of Greenland, folks!