908741059871059781 wrote:
Ok buddy, you really need a history lesson. Start with this... (from here
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html )
More on "Palestinian Nationalism
and the
Real War Against Israel...
The Middle East war is not now and never was a conflict between Israelis/Jews on the one hand and Palestinians on the other. In fact, the Arab-"Palestinians", while currently the perpetrators of most of the anti-Jewish atrocities, were never a very important part of the conflict. In fact, before about 1970, virtually no one in the world considered the Middle East conflict to be one between Israelis and Palestinians.
The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!.
Taken from
Wiki - "Masada2000 is a far right-wing Zionist website, maintained by five people from the U.S.A., Israel, Brazil, Switzerland, and Australia"
Taken from
www.Masada2000.org site - "Presenting an Israeli perspective on regional history, advocating the forcible expulsion of all Palestinians from the region."
Great site you picked there chap! This is one of the most hate-filled and biased sites I have ever seen. Yes, Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs, that is fact. That's about it as far as this little blurb goes for me.
908741059871059781 wrote:
This is a small portion of the information that you can find on the history of this holy war. Thats right, it is and always will be a holy war. They are fighting over a piece of shit desert because it is a holy land. If it wasn't, nobody would give a shit. Both sides just look for excuses to attack each other. Explained enough for you?
Ok, since you call it a holy war, despite all the evidence to the contrary, its a holy war. For Fucks sake mate! They (Israel) are fighting for what they believe is their holy land, and their divine mandate to live there. The Arabs are fighting for the land that was forcibly taken from them years ago. Quite a difference. Yes, it has religious significance for Muslims too. Same with Christians, and Mandeists.
908741059871059781 wrote:
Terrorism is about people attacking to cause fear in their enemys. This is not an attack to cause fear. It is an attack to wipe out a recognized military force.
The only people that would call them civilians, are people who are against the war.
By your logic, any army force that causes civilian casualties is a terrorist. Lets see, that is every military force that has ever existed. I'll say it one more time. They are not targeting civilians, they are targeting a military force that is trying to use cover in civilian population. I'm not a big fan of the Bush administration ,but to answer your question about people calling them "civilains" (I say question because you don't know what you are talking about,) certain governments or politicians call them civilians (against the attacks) and certain one (bush) call them terrorists. The truth is, as with any war, is that both are getting killed.
Just so we are on the same page, the definition of terrorism is -
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by an organized group (Israel) against people or property (Lebanese civilians and non-strategic targets) with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments. Do you not understand? Once more, yes, terrorists are attacking Israel, without a doubt. And they should be punished. Lebanese civilians, no.
Humans rights NGOs (Nongovernmental Organizations) as well as most everyone in the world recognizes citizens of Lebanon as civilians. Sure, there are terrorists there without a doubt, but not every person living in Lebanon is a terrorist. Look at the facts - Over 300 (and counting) Lebanese
civilians dead. Quite possibly, there could be a few terrorists in there that they have counted. Reports from CNN are using a 10-1 civilian/terrorist death ratio, GG and GJ Israel. This isn't about the definition of a terrorist. This is about Israel's wanton and indiscriminate use of force.
908741059871059781 wrote:
Hey, have a difference of opinion. I couldn't care less. But, I recommend that you read the link carefully that I've provided. I also strongly recommend not quoting the news as "fact." The UN building got destroyed...don't go around flinging bullshit like you, the news, or any politician knows what happened. The UN biding got blown up...fact. Thats the only fact regaurding this paticular incident that is 100 percent correct.
I read the link, and it is insulting to me as a human that people believe that bullshit. How about this..Israel blew up the UN building, fact. Israel bombed the UN building multiple times, fact. Israel is trying to say the terrorist group Hezbollah bombed it, fact.
Debating differences of opinion is a great thing, because you get to hear firsthand why people believe in the things they do. We can have differing opinions, in fact, I would hope that everyone has their own opinions on this subject. Just don't use ridiculous, Zionist websites to get your information, that's all I ask.
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-07-26 15:09:04)
