Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|7076|Little blue planet, milky way
I know all the solo TV'ing chopper fuckheads will give me a hard time about this.... But really. it's lame the way they will now even TK for the chance to solo chopper. And the chopper isn't the only issue here.

Purpose of this post:
To request that people agree with me that it would be smart/practical/realistic/nice to disallow seat changing within a short timeframe of the last seat change (ie 5 or 10 seonds). This way it's possible to change seats only once every x seconds, thus preventing solo choppering, seat changing to avoid missle locks etc. etc.

What's NOT the purpose of this post:
To prevent seat changing at all. I have no problem with a gunner jumping into the pilots seat of a BH when the pilot is killed. or swapping seats in the APC if there's a spec ops out there with a satchel of rectal hurting. I feel just fine about the driver of a transport going gunner when he needs to. I do not want to PREVENT seat changing, I want to prevent the abuse and subsequent problems arising from said abuse by imposing fixed delay between each change.

The reasons behind this request:
It's lame the way people will now TK THEIR OWN GUNNER in an attack helo just for the chance to solo fly. Beside costing your team valuable tickets, you now actively PREVENT a member of your team from using valuable hardware. This is against the RoE. Not to mention how bloody annoying it is for the gunner. Similarly, people rock back and forth inside the blackhawk to repair then shoot, then repair again WITHIN seconds... It takes time to change positions in a vehicle in motion. I see no problem in disallowing continous seat changing. going driver gunner driver in a hummer is a matter of mili seconds. I agree the driver should have the ability to pump some lead into the oncoming horde. But he should have to take the consequence of seat changing, and that means staying with his newly selected seat for the next x seconds, or abandoning his vehicle. This should also effectively prevent armorwhores from going topgunner just to take pot shots at a helo, as they will then become targets of opportunity for snipers. In general thre's not enough seats in the vehicles as it is, so we need to find effective ways to PREVENT people from hoggin' the few seats there are !


Discuss !
david363
Crotch fires and you: the untold story
+314|7292|Comber, Northern Ireland
right on!
jord
Member
+2,382|7231|The North, beyond the wall.
You should do a poll,so people don't have to express their opinion and can just vote.
topthrill05
Member
+125|7131|Rochester NY USA
I agree.
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|7177|Birmingham, UK
Yes, make a poll. I think it should take 1-2 seconds to change seats.
farmerfez
o wut?
+78|7083

w00t for that idea.
Sgt_Bob05
Nade Spammers Must Die
+49|7254|Australia
Why the fuck do noobs always want everything nerfed?
AGoetzy
Member
+0|7194
Any sort of realism is not allowed in BF2.

Really, leave that to better games like Red Orchestra and the upcoming games "Resistance and Liberation" and "Insurgency."
Ben>You
Member
+90|7079
I don't have a gunner. Woops, guess I just wont fly then? Fuck that if I don't have a gunner that is capable or a pilot that isnt sure which way is up, fuck them I'm soloing. You're just pissed because you can't do it. Why else would you be mad? Solo choppers mainly take out armor, so maybe you're a pissed off armor whore? Or maybe you're shit with the TV missle and solo pilots take you and your pilot out right quick. There's nothing wrong with Solo piloting, it takes skill to do. You remind me of one of those whining bitches that were seen roaming karkand crying and moaning about how hard infantry is pre 1.2.
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|7177|Birmingham, UK

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

Why the fuck do noobs always want everything nerfed?
If the game started out in the proposed changed way, it would not be 'nerfed'. Something can only be 'nerfed' if there is something comparable to. It's not really a 'nerf' just a look on things which, if serving the majority, should be taken up.


Ben>You wrote:

I don't have a gunner. Woops, guess I just wont fly then? Fuck that if I don't have a gunner that is capable or a pilot that isnt sure which way is up, fuck them I'm soloing. You're just pissed because you can't do it. Why else would you be mad? Solo choppers mainly take out armor, so maybe you're a pissed off armor whore? Or maybe you're shit with the TV missle and solo pilots take you and your pilot out right quick. There's nothing wrong with Solo piloting, it takes skill to do. You remind me of one of those whining bitches that were seen roaming karkand crying and moaning about how hard infantry is pre 1.2.
I can solo pilot, it's just fairer to your team if you have a gunner. Oh, and the key is to - COMMUNICATE!
'Nothing wrong with solo-piloting'? I'd like to see you try it without crashing (if you had the proper army helicopter piloting and gunnery training). I didn't whine about how hard infantry was pre 1.2 - I loved the challenge. PKM 1.03 style was fun to try. And just because something has been changed in your favour does not mean it is right. If you sit back thinking something is perfect (and nothing can ever be perfect), then YOU are what is wrong with humanity getting stuck in a rut. YOU epitomise the death of humanity and individuals to think for themselves. Think about that (if you can).
ColtsX
#baddie
+157|7099
LOL COMMUNICATE!

For the servers that have VOIP alot of the smurfs dont have Voip on or a mic so then what do you do type or spot them and then what about the idiots that cant TV and suck ass hmm....

Last edited by Colony (2006-07-22 06:18:31)

jord
Member
+2,382|7231|The North, beyond the wall.

Colony wrote:

LOL COMMUNICATE!

For the servers that have VOIP alot of the smurfs dont have Voip on or a mic so then what do you do type or spot them and then what about the idiots that cant TV and suck ass hmm....
Whats a smurf?

Nastie was talking yesterday to me and he said it,just what is it?

Is it like a Top thing or something?
ColtsX
#baddie
+157|7099
So what is a smurf? Well, they are little mindless blue creatures that hop around singing songs and feeling happy.

Where can you find them? ....In any public BF2 game!!

-Just look at your minimap. That sea of blue dots on your screen is comprised mostly of smurfs.

-Smurfs are silent secretive creatures. You won't hear a peep out of them. They don't have mics and usually have voip turned off because the human voice scares them. Besides, how can you enjoy a game when you've got some person yelling in your ear about stupid stuff like "watch out, incoming armor" or "they are taking the main base let's get there quick"

-The legend is that smurfs are hard to find. They hide in their lil' mushroom villages far away from human eyes. Now this is wrong. They are very numerous and easy to find if you know where to look.

In Karkand as MEC you will find all the smurfs south of the hotel in spawn camping and artillery country. They just love to look up at the sky (while critically wounded) and find animal shapes in the clouds. You will never find them defending important strategic locations that must be held to win the game like the bridge or the suburbs. Such things as winning and teamplay are of no concern to smurfs.

In Karkand as USMC believe it or not you will find them in the same damn place having it out with the other smurfs and dancing amongst the pretty "fireworks" together which throws them all up in the air in gleeful smurfitude. You won't find them deep in enemy territory going for the most important locations. They must really like that hotel.

In large maps like Zatar you will find them picking flowers and chasing butterflies all alone in the sunny hills (remember, these are lil' blue smurfs) usually as a sniper. Smurfs love the sound of sniper rounds boucing off of armor that passes them by and takes their bases.

In Wake as PLA you will find them on the western tips of both peninsulas even as bases behind them are taken. Good job smurf!...the peninsulas are secure...but why is no one coming from the artie island anymore?...must be because they are spawning at the base behind you. Smurfs see no need to stay at "boring" bases like the north village or beach. Besides, what USMC in their right mind would try to take them? Certainly not a USMC smurf...they are gleefully hopping around in on their big fancy boat waiting for vehicles to magically appear. Have no fear lil' smurf....papa smurfs of smurftastic servers will protect u with "no base raping rules" so you can dance the day away on your boat without flying machines and fireworks smurfing you up. If not then you get to do what smurfs do best...not making smurfberry wine....no....more like whining. Quick as a bunny start typing away complaining to the "meanie greenies" that are smurfing you with their flying machines. It's not like you have anyone to talk to anyway so you might as well type. Go ahead...type away...your magical smurf words will soon scare the meanies away.

As a matter of fact you will find them all, both sides, in any map going head-on at eachother instead of around to the lightly defended areas behind the lines.

Once in a while a smurf will gain the magical abilities and become "commander smurf". You can easily tell when you have a commander smurf. You first will notice that you are losing. Then when you look at the map you will notice commander smurf valiantly fighting in the front lines usually in a tank that they have protected with their new-found powers...it will be surrounded by crates and covered by a UAV at all times. Don't try to speak to this smurf on the mic. It will be of no use since they have no voip or have u muted anyway. If they don't then they probably don't know where the commander speak button is or if it even exists.

Smurfs are comical creatures...they love to play games and joke around. A smurf will entertain you sometimes by jumping in the pilot's seat of a transport chopper and taking you for a slow moving scenic tour of the little known or little visited sections of the map. They will sometimes just crash the thing shortly after takeoff and humor you with a little "tee hee....I can't fly".

If you are ever in a smurfs house and see their keyboard you can tell right away. The PG-UP button is removed and the PG-DWN button is taped down.

There are ways to chase a smurf away. Just invite them into a squad or try to talk strategy with them. This bores them. If you are commander you can annoy a smurf by consistantly spotting enemy forces in key areas that are out of range of the UAV until they are dealt with...nothing smurfs them off more..remember smurfs HATE communication as it interferes with the lovely sounds of birds chirping and dogs barking that the game features.

Please feel sorry for these lil' blue guys. They have disabilities you know. They are sight-impaired. The area to the upper right of the screen called the "minimap" is all fuzzy so they just dont use it. They are hard of hearing as well...in game communictions like "gimme a ride" or "enemy spotted" will fall on deaf ears. It's not their fault...its smurf genetics.

You may be asking "what are meanie greenies". Well, they and not Gargamel, are a smurf's worst enemy. They are green and they talk with eachother and go to areas that make smurfs uncomfortable like important bases and defensive locations that restrict smurf movement. They win games consistantly and by wide margins. They appear almost out of thin air in large numbers as if one of them informed the others that they can join his squad and "spawn" on him to reinforce his position..then they aggressively take the location, post a greenie on defense, and move onto the next. When you take out the "head meanie greenie" he gives up his leader status and another greenie on the squad takes his place and they continue to spawn.

Greenies confuse and scare smurfs. They make the game less like counter stike. So the smurfs do what they do best.....no...not the wine.....yes thats it...THE WHINE. They cast their magical words to all the forums and sites that will listen to them and support eachother. They complain that vehicles weren't meant to do this or that and squad spawning is not meant to do this and players weren't meant to score that high. They say that its unfair for a group of meanies that play together all the time should smurf the smurf out of them.

If you listen very carefully you can hear them now...

La la la la la la its unfair. La la la la la la you have a plane hack. La la la la la la no base raping. La la la la la la you're a stat padder. It's a timeless childrens' song. Record it and play it for your kids instead of Barney. It will keep them amused for hours and probably lull them into a smurfy sleep.



originally written by NASTIE_BUTLER, aka NA$TY_BUTLER aka NASTY_BUTLER

That is a smurf!

Last edited by Colony (2006-07-22 06:50:04)

assau1t
Member
+12|7256|sector a-35

Twist wrote:

I know all the solo TV'ing chopper fuckheads will give me a hard time about this.... bla bla bla...
Drop dead.
A3G15
Member
+27|7118

Colony wrote:

LOL COMMUNICATE!

For the servers that have VOIP alot of the smurfs dont have Voip on or a mic so then what do you do type or spot them and then what about the idiots that cant TV and suck ass hmm....
yeah yeah, there's nothing worse than a smurf wasting space in a vehicle
Longbow
Member
+163|7200|Odessa, Ukraine

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

Why the fuck do noobs always want everything nerfed?
Buzerk1
Member
+44|7389

Longbow wrote:

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

Why the fuck do noobs always want everything nerfed?
Why noobs always call other noobs when can't express their opinion by only saying: "Hey check the noob".... I'll that noob calling is kind of.... yeah you got it.... NOOB!!

Last edited by Buzerk1 (2006-07-23 00:13:57)

Longbow
Member
+163|7200|Odessa, Ukraine

Buzerk1 wrote:

Longbow wrote:

Sgt_Bob05 wrote:

Why the fuck do noobs always want everything nerfed?
Why noobs always call other noobs when can't express their opinion by only saying: "Hey check the noob".... I'll that noob calling is kind of.... yeah you got it.... NOOB!!
Your : Helicopter  T=14:30:23   K=380     D=324    KDR=1.3025 RK=34
Mine : Helicopter  T=176:20:59 K=14,091 D=3,144 KDR=4.7144 RK=731

who is a n00b ?
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|7076|Little blue planet, milky way
I was about to post the same thing as longbow.... People calling me a noob because I want them to do teamplay... People with no time or skill in the helo, gee thanx for your namecalling, seeing as with your inferior time and skills, YOU seem to be the ones that people should call names at.... and for the record, I CAN solofly... But I choose not to for the betterment of my team. And I posted this thread so that people could see that solo flying is WRONG, especially when you run around killing your gunner or anyone else who tries to get near the chopper.
This game is not about your SCORE, it's about showing that you can perform a task as a TEAM (winning a round). Killing your own teammates so you get to fly solo ISN'T teamwork.
What I'm proposing isn't a "nerf". I'm asking people to see that it is better for the team of people work together... Yeah, I get pissed when I cant get a good gunner, or a good pilot for that matter. But that's besides the point, I just want people to aknowledge that seat switching has simply gone way overboard.

And from what I can see, there are a few [insert your favorite prejudicial slur here] that disagree without being able to provide any kind of argument for their side (no, namecalling isn't arguing, it's childish behavior that gets you nowhere). And at the same time there are plenty of people who agrees that seat switching isn't the way to go. I applaud their willingness to step forward and bring their opinions into the light.
Buzerk1
Member
+44|7389

Longbow wrote:

Buzerk1 wrote:

Longbow wrote:


Why noobs always call other noobs when can't express their opinion by only saying: "Hey check the noob".... I'll call that noob calling is kind of.... yeah you got it.... NOOB!!
Your : Helicopter  T=14:30:23   K=380     D=324    KDR=1.3025 RK=34
Mine : Helicopter  T=176:20:59 K=14,091 D=3,144 KDR=4.7144 RK=731

who is a n00b ?
You don't get it don't you...

You => 982 hrs played: only 2361 flag capture points, 3042 flag cap assists
Me => 802 hrs played:  10 398 flag capture points, 4995 flag cap assists

I didn't call you a noob, I'm tired of people only using this word as an argument.
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|7076|Little blue planet, milky way
Agreed. The "nee nah nee nah, you suck" argument doesn't really do much for an argument does it ?
Talon
Stop reading this and look at my post
+341|7313
You => 982 hrs played: only 2361 flag capture points, 3042 flag cap assists
Me => 802 hrs played:  10 398 flag capture points, 4995 flag cap assists


Having way more assists than caps indicates that you rush to flags already neutral for easy points, while Buzerk actually goes for them himself.

Oh, and

Me - 264 hrs played: 1399 caps, 1377 assists.

Last edited by Talon (2006-07-23 11:54:45)

PRiMACORD
Member
+190|7178|Home of the Escalade Herds
Maybe if they nerfed TV missiles people would have to learn how to fly.

/hides
H0ly(rap
Member
+10|7274|Nebraska
lol are u british? just wondering?  quote" bloody" ?
Longbow
Member
+163|7200|Odessa, Ukraine

PRiMACORD wrote:

Maybe if they nerfed TV missiles people would have to learn how to fly.

/hides
Already done in patch 1.2


You => 982 hrs played: only 2361 flag capture points, 3042 flag cap assists
Me => 802 hrs played:  10 398 flag capture points, 4995 flag cap assists


Having way more assists than caps indicates that you rush to flags already neutral for easy points, while Buzerk actually goes for them himself.
first :I cover my team while they are capping flag and when I see no enemy I rush to it . Yes , I don't cap flags myself , b\c of I mostly fly choper on non-infantry ( hope you don't think attack chopers were created for flag capturing ?)  maps and on infantry maps I COVER , not run as all other suiciders to the flag , I kill enemyes throwing nades at my teammates on the flags . It's way better tactic than rush to flag and get one nade for 6 ppl .

second : I'm not a Karkand armor user . You use armor for flagcapturing , it is simply . I mostly get killed ( I play infantry ONLY on infantry-called maps ) while I'm capturing flag myself , you don't ( armor protects you )

Last edited by Longbow (2006-07-23 16:00:06)

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