BF2S Forums Bush vetoes embryonic stem-cell bill

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Creating life just to destroy it creates a moral dillema.

I see an even greater moral dilemma in not finding a cure for Alzheimers, heart disease, diabeties... a huge list of crippling diseases that HAVE NO CURE. But would with stem cell research.

Spark wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Creating life just to destroy it creates a moral dillema.

I see an even greater moral dilemma in not finding a cure for Alzheimers, heart disease, diabeties... a huge list of crippling diseases that HAVE NO CURE. But would with stem cell research.

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/Agree

Since Bush's "reign of terror" began, America has cut almost all funding to embryonic stem cell research.
Let me rephrase,
America has been LOSING it's technological superiority over other countries in the field of embryonic stem cell research, we are years behind our neighbors now in research in a field that will most likely be a HUGE future for medicine.
A sad day for America.

Reciprocity wrote:

what do you expect from a fucking retard?

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

It's not a "matter of morals". What I find immoral about this is that Bush is so stubborn to prevent technological advancements in medicine and safing lives because he finds it against HIS PERSONAL beliefts.

Something that is a few weeks old or maybe a couple of months isn't alive, it is not a human, it is a growth inside someones body. The people who sell their unborns to stem cell research don't plant the egg with the intention of doing that. Many of the donaters are unwanted pregancys, meaning that this research and technology also helps them from undergoing a lot of pain themselves.

You have no morals or any ability to use spell check. That "thing" would become a child. It could be a the next Mozart or just an ordinary person. Who are we to decide that we can end that life before it even begins? Thats playing God and I dont have faith in humans to be able to make that judgement.

Actually it will become the next dead thing in a medical waste dump, since all embryonic stem cells would be taken from DISCARDED FETUSES.
Not to mention that we play god every single day with medicine and guns.
Who is to say we are allowed to save a life, or take it?
Because I don't think god bothered to come down here and draw the line for anyone did he?

Edit* Oops. Didn't mean to double post that. My bad.

Artificially creating life just for the purpose of destroying it is a far call from what we are doing now. Let me say this again, I am all for medical advancements but creating babies just to kill them is something that I could never live with. As for the other fetuses I am strongly against abortion so I cant in anyway condone the practice.

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ok WTF is wrong w/ you... stem cell research can save lives, so even if your mother gets cancer you wouldnt allow her to use this technology to save her?

btw: i see sumthing from gundam seed comming... coordinators! ppl who have been genetically enhanced and they have higher mental and physical strength!

There are other ways to get the stem cells. Im all for that but not at the cost of creating life just to end it. You kids keep shouting about the benefits of stem cell research yet nothing has come of it yet. It could or could not cure anything. Im hopeful that people in wheel chairs can walk again with the help of this in the future as long as it dosent come at this cost.

Yeah right. You sound like inquisitor who wanted Galileo Galilei to admit that earth is center of universe. Name one scientifical achievement that just came out of nowhere without research. Maybe we should just take those in wheelchairs to some healing priest and hope god gives them legs?

Am I the only one who feel the urge to listen to "The Great Debate" from the Dream Theater album "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence"?
http://www.ivorygate.com/cgi-bin/sb/sb. … oc=dtsb#q5

Pretty much sums up this thread (both sides of the argument) and then some.

what is wrong whit using 8 days old embryos
following the bible after 10 days they get a soul(i just know i don't have a religion)

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Im not a crazy christian or anything. Its a matter of morals. I just dont like the idea of creating life then ending that life, especially when there are alternative methods able to be used.

It's not a "matter of morals". What I find immoral about this is that Bush is so stubborn to prevent technological advancements in medicine and safing lives because he finds it against HIS PERSONAL beliefts.

Something that is a few weeks old or maybe a couple of months isn't alive, it is not a human, it is a growth inside someones body. The people who sell their unborns to stem cell research don't plant the egg with the intention of doing that. Many of the donaters are unwanted pregancys, meaning that this research and technology also helps them from undergoing a lot of pain themselves.

You have no morals or any ability to use spell check. That "thing" would become a child. It could be a the next Mozart or just an ordinary person. Who are we to decide that we can end that life before it even begins? Thats playing God and I dont have faith in humans to be able to make that judgement.

Actually think about what you are saying. "We are playing God." This demonstrates everything we have achieved in the last few millenia. Playing God is what we've done since we've had the ability to save lives. The introduction of Vaccines is playing God. The curing of Polio is playing God. The fight against AIDs and the attempt to cure Cancer is playing God. The medical research that has led to SAVING newborn babies and helping mothers NOT die from giving birth, is playing God.

If you want the argument that we should not be playing God then you must give up the advancements of all medicine to the present day. Never take medication if you have the flu. Never take a pill of you have aches or pains. Never take insuline if you are diabetic. Never use saline on your eyes or in surgery. Cease all surgical procedures period. Never wear eye glasses. Ignore science and it's improvements on the world. Infact why are you using your computer to read any of this? Isn't the benefits of computers playing God when used in the methods of research? Ignore Biology, Ignore Chemistry, Ignore Genetics, Ignore Dentistry, Ignore Optometry, Ignore Fertility medication, Ignore Hospitals, Ignore Doctors and all of it.

You are playing God. We have been playing God. Playing God has gotten this race to where it is now.

Also BTW the embryos used in the further development and research of stem cell, that this bill was furthering, were embryos that were donated to clinics with the intent of birth. After a certain amount of time unused embryos are destroyed due to age. DESTROYED already. This is a normal practice. Do you wish these embryos slated for destruction to be destroyed or used to better life as we know it? Are you really that afraid that people are going to start giving up their embryos in record numbers to suddenly push stem cell research ahead?

Playing God is a poor choise of words to support your argument.

Also you mentioned other methods of harvesting stem cells. Please list a few alternative options that we have that isn't more deterimental to the well being of humankind over organisms that would have been destroyed regardless?

Last edited by kilroy0097 (2006-07-20 03:50:32)

Good job on not reading any of my posts besides that one. I have CONSTANTLY said that I am all for medical and technological advancement but I have to draw the line on creating life for the purpose of destroying it.

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

Good job on not reading any of my posts besides that one. I have CONSTANTLY said that I am all for medical and technological advancement but I have to draw the line on creating life for the purpose of destroying it.

Ok. Does this include all life or simply human life?
Also, in your beliefs, do you believe that life still exists even after the brain has ceased to function? (i.e. Do Not Resusitate Orders and kept alive by machines alone)

Last edited by kilroy0097 (2006-07-20 03:55:37)

Vampira_NB wrote:

For the God Game by EA, the 1.03 patch will add a glitch that enables you to drive your minivans into middle eastern hotels and it will add the ability to start your own crusades!

Cool! I want that patch to also give my creations the ability to recreate and modify any and all original scriptures and rules to best fit their own personal needs whenever they wish and then give themselves the ability to state it was always like that from the beginning.