Spumantiii
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lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

THE U.N.'s RECORD VIS A VIS ISRAEL



Prior to the Madrid Conference, of '91, the office of Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir commissioned Shai Ben-Tekoa to do a statistical analysis of U.N. voting vis a vis Israel. The following is a summary of Mr. Ben-Tekoa's research.

Summary



Security Council:
175 Total Resolutions
74 Neutral
4 Against the perceived interests of an Arab state or body
97 Against Israel

General Assembly:
Cumulative Number of Votes cast with/for Israel: 7,938.
Cumulative Number of Votes cast against Israel: 55,642.

Now this is the Bottom LINE in this discussion, I could spend all day and site search after search as to how the UN is anti-Semitic........Now, your challenge is to show me sites where the UN,IN FACT, has been historically fair and favorable to Israel.......Good luck.
Maybe Israel deserved those resolutions.
your "maybe"'s is not the challenge..........anyone else??
reminder that US was the only country to repeatedly veto and abstain from voting with regards to Israel.  They deserved the resolutions because the world agreed they should have stopped.  They continued building settlements within the borders of palestine, and making new roads to facilitate the military, while cutting old roads used by Palestinians.  Basically to go anywhere a palestinian must pass through various checkpoints.  The media portrays this unfolding as a case of Israel defending itself, but, the fact is Israel is illegally occupying the land and destroying Palestinian homes for no reason.  They made it impossible for Palestinians to get building permits, and destroy permits at their own whim.  This is a fact.  They have monstrous military bulldozers designed for taking houses down in minutes.   Look at a map of the territory.  Look at a map of jewish settlements in Israel and see that since 1967 over 60% of the land that was Palestine has been 'expropriated' illegally from those people.  Israel has a right to self defense.  That was never in question, what is in question is that they are on defense.  They are not, they are attacking across international borders and killing indiscriminantly.  No efforts have thus been made to verify membership in Hesbollah before they shoot.  Not a caase of self defence.  If this was happening inside Israel it would be entirely different.  It isn't, it was occupation and is occupation.  Israel is now occupying southern Lebanon and who knows how long it could last.     With US veto power, Israel has gotten away with illegally occupying Gaza/West Bank since 1967.  In WW2 after the US defeated Germany, you left, didn't colonize for the sake of attacking under the guise of defense, didn't call it part of mainland America, etc.

Israel wasn't being fair so the UN wasn't fair on Israel it's that simple, look at the actions that corellate with the resolutions.

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-07-27 15:26:23)

lowing
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Spumantiii wrote:

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:


Maybe Israel deserved those resolutions.
your "maybe"'s is not the challenge..........anyone else??
reminder that US was the only country to repeatedly veto and abstain from voting with regards to Israel.  They deserved the resolutions because the world agreed they should have stopped.  They continued building settlements within the borders of palestine, and making new roads to facilitate the military, while cutting old roads used by Palestinians.  Basically to go anywhere a palestinian must pass through various checkpoints.  The media portrays this unfolding as a case of Israel defending itself, but, the fact is Israel is illegally occupying the land and destroying Palestinian homes for no reason.  They made it impossible for Palestinians to get building permits, and destroy permits at their own whim.  This is a fact.  They have monstrous military bulldozers designed for taking houses down in minutes.   Look at a map of the territory.  Look at a map of jewish settlements in Israel and see that since 1967 over 60% of the land that was Palestine has been 'expropriated' illegally from those people.  Israel has a right to self defense.  That was never in question, what is in question is that they are on defense.  They are not, they are attacking across international borders and killing indiscriminantly.  No efforts have thus been made to verify membership in Hesbollah before they shoot.  Not a caase of self defence.  If this was happening inside Israel it would be entirely different.  It isn't, it was occupation and is occupation.  Israel is now occupying southern Lebanon and who knows how long it could last.     With US veto power, Israel has gotten away with illegally occupying Gaza/West Bank since 1967.  In WW2 after the US defeated Germany, you left, didn't colonize for the sake of attacking under the guise of defense, didn't call it part of mainland America, etc.

Israel wasn't being fair so the UN wasn't fair on Israel it's that simple, look at the actions that corellate with the resolutions.
yes please do, also while you are at it, look at the action ( or inaction)by the UN that corrolates with all of the attacks on Israel. you are trying to convince me that Surrounded Israel, is the agressor, and the peace loving Muslims are the victims..Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.


again your opinion is great.........SHOW ME THE LINKS THAT PROVE THE UN HAS BEEN FAIR AND UNBIASED IN ITS DEALING WITH ISRAEL.....by this time.........just admit, there are no links .........and now admit the reason why.
Spumantiii
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hey lowing watch this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … iddle+east

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-07-27 16:22:52)

EVIL_STYX
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Keep it up LOWING... You have far more patients than I do...

EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
konfusion
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Spumantiii wrote:

hey lowing watch this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … iddle+east
nice link, +1
lowing
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Spumantiii wrote:

hey lowing watch this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … iddle+east
I watched the first 15 minutes of it...........Yup sounds like times are tough for the palistininans.......I bet it almost makes them wish they would have left Israel alone back 1967.


You know as well as I do, that if Israel lets their gaurd down, they are going to be sucker punched again by the Arabs.


It has been over a week now, are there NO links to show me how the UN has been nothing but fair to Israel in all of this ME mess??...........Guess not.


Also, still waiting for an answer to why the peace loving Iraqi army, launched scuds into Israel during the beginning of the gulf war. Was it because Iraq knew if they could draw Israel into the war, Iraq would have INSTANTLY gained all the support of the ME Arab nations. Since no one wanted answe that question I went ahead and answered it for you.
jonsimon
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lowing wrote:

It has been over a week now, are there NO links to show me how the UN has been nothing but fair to Israel in all of this ME mess??...........Guess not.
And not once have you proven they have been unfair or biased against Israel. The fact that they have ruled against Israel does not make them unfair.
Spumantiii
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the fact that you only watched 15 minutes says it all.  Don't waste your time on lowing he won't even listen to most of what you're saying
konfusion
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There are indeed people who want to remain ignorant so they can think they're right about everything...
lowing
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it is an hour and 20 minutes long........at least I was honest about what I did watch.I watched long enough to get the jest of the video.

The voting record of the UN and the resolutions past against Israel is very relevant in showing bias.


Your own video even claims their are victims of violence on both sides..........YET the majority of resolutions and condemnation goes against Israel......Any explanations? If they deserve to be treated like this..PROVE IT. Show me the links, or admit there aren't any. I know you have dug deep on this to try and stick my face in the mud, and you all you come up with is more opinion.

Still don't wanna touch the fact that the Arabs started the 6 days war with Israel, do ya? And the land acquired by Israel is due to that war.

Still wanna ignore the fact that Israel was terrorized by Iraq during the beginning of the gulf war to try and draw them into the conflict. Thats OK, if I couldn't come up with an honest answer to any of this, I would ignore it as well.

Who kidnapped who ( and murdered ) in Munich during the 1972 Olympics??

Israel threatens censorship of all out going reports from the conflict. Hezbollah threatens murder to any reporters.

Israel gives notice to civilians when attacks are going to happen ( to avoid civilian casualties). Hezzbollah refuses to let them leave and attacks and hides among them. Then screams murder when a civilian is killed..Come on guys give us all a break.   

Come on, give me some links that "IN FACT" Israel; has been historically treated fair by the UN......Cuz I can give you link after link after link that shows they haven't......

I won't ask anymore....
Spumantiii
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Because They Are On Fucking Occupied Land You Nitwit And It's Illegal  Israel Has No Right To Be In The West Bank But Still Built Settlements  It's Palestine Who Is On Defence  Not Israel

YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST OF RESOLUTIONS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IT'S FAIR TO WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE  WHICH IS OCCUPY SOVREIGN LAND

It'd be like if the US invaded Canada and then claimed it had the right to defend itself!!!   While US builds settlements closing gaps and surrounding Canadian cities and when Canadians revolt you bomb them by the hundreds in the name of DEFENCE while ACROSS AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER.  THE ONLY LINK YOU NEED IS THE MISSING LINK TO RAISE YOU UP FROM NEANDERTHAL LEVEL


WATCH THE FILM OR STFU    you don't GET THE 'jist' of it BY WATCHING 15 mins.    WAIT I only read one of your posts and I REFUSE to read the rest because I 'get the jist of it'     I got a jist that you're a moron!!!!!!


It doesn't matter who started the 6 day and yom kippur wars.  Israel took land that belonged to other people, and now they have a problem because they built their fucking houses all over it!!   It's their own fault what can't you understand??  Zionist bullshit is the reason for these wars, not defence, not sovreignty, not pride, not against terror, just outright bullshit zealotism that has no tolerance or understanding whatsoever, kind of like how you do your research and debating.

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-07-31 10:25:24)

Spumantiii
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show the links lowing


This guy can come out and spend hours trying to win an argument when he spends less than 15 minutes to make sure he even understands everything.   No time to watch the video?  No time to waste being ignorant on a forum

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-07-31 10:36:07)

TheFlipTop
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stryyker wrote:

"civilized warfare"
Sorry, I feel for that 'kid' (heavily armed at that, something ya can't help noticing in Northern Ireland where I write from) I do. He died for oil, and thats just pathetic. Poor lad.

But what got me was the above quote, and I just wonder what planet that term came from?
lowing
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Spumantiii wrote:

Because They Are On Fucking Occupied Land You Nitwit And It's Illegal  Israel Has No Right To Be In The West Bank But Still Built Settlements  It's Palestine Who Is On Defence  Not Israel

YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST OF RESOLUTIONS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IT'S FAIR TO WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE  WHICH IS OCCUPY SOVREIGN LAND

It'd be like if the US invaded Canada and then claimed it had the right to defend itself!!!   While US builds settlements closing gaps and surrounding Canadian cities and when Canadians revolt you bomb them by the hundreds in the name of DEFENCE while ACROSS AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER.  THE ONLY LINK YOU NEED IS THE MISSING LINK TO RAISE YOU UP FROM NEANDERTHAL LEVEL


WATCH THE FILM OR STFU    you don't GET THE 'jist' of it BY WATCHING 15 mins.    WAIT I only read one of your posts and I REFUSE to read the rest because I 'get the jist of it'     I got a jist that you're a moron!!!!!!


It doesn't matter who started the 6 day and yom kippur wars.  Israel took land that belonged to other people, and now they have a problem because they built their fucking houses all over it!!   It's their own fault what can't you understand??  Zionist bullshit is the reason for these wars, not defence, not sovreignty, not pride, not against terror, just outright bullshit zealotism that has no tolerance or understanding whatsoever, kind of like how you do your research and debating.
You are saying it doesn't matter who started a fucking war??..........and you call me a nitwit??

You have not proven your case, as a matter of fact  I will take the time and watch your 1.5 hour long movie, the second you stop ignoring my posts and show me proof that the UN is fair in the treatment of Israel, AND, stop ignoring my questioning you, on why Iraq launched unprovoked scud attacks into Israel during the start of the gulf war. Or are you going to stick with your statement that it doesn't matter that Israel was attacked first they need to give up the land the took in a war started by the Arabs? I also love your comment about how Israel has no tolerance for others.........that is a good one. As if the Arab nations surrounding Israel is just ate up with tolerance and understanding.

So, is it a deal?? Or is your tap dancing going to continue??

Last edited by lowing (2006-07-31 16:10:52)

lowing
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Spumantiii wrote:

show the links lowing


This guy can come out and spend hours trying to win an argument when he spends less than 15 minutes to make sure he even understands everything.   No time to watch the video?  No time to waste being ignorant on a forum
no, I don't spend hours trying to win an argument.........I read the post I respond to the post....then I move on to other shit in the house.

How many hours have you spent trying to find links that prove an unbiased UN to Israel??
jonsimon
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lowing wrote:

Spumantiii wrote:

Because They Are On Fucking Occupied Land You Nitwit And It's Illegal  Israel Has No Right To Be In The West Bank But Still Built Settlements  It's Palestine Who Is On Defence  Not Israel

YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST OF RESOLUTIONS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IT'S FAIR TO WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE  WHICH IS OCCUPY SOVREIGN LAND

It'd be like if the US invaded Canada and then claimed it had the right to defend itself!!!   While US builds settlements closing gaps and surrounding Canadian cities and when Canadians revolt you bomb them by the hundreds in the name of DEFENCE while ACROSS AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER.  THE ONLY LINK YOU NEED IS THE MISSING LINK TO RAISE YOU UP FROM NEANDERTHAL LEVEL


WATCH THE FILM OR STFU    you don't GET THE 'jist' of it BY WATCHING 15 mins.    WAIT I only read one of your posts and I REFUSE to read the rest because I 'get the jist of it'     I got a jist that you're a moron!!!!!!


It doesn't matter who started the 6 day and yom kippur wars.  Israel took land that belonged to other people, and now they have a problem because they built their fucking houses all over it!!   It's their own fault what can't you understand??  Zionist bullshit is the reason for these wars, not defence, not sovreignty, not pride, not against terror, just outright bullshit zealotism that has no tolerance or understanding whatsoever, kind of like how you do your research and debating.
You are saying it doesn't matter who started a fucking war??..........and you call me a nitwit??

You have not proven your case, as a matter of fact  I will take the time and watch your 1.5 hour long movie, the second you stop ignoring my posts and show me proof that the UN is fair in the treatment of Israel, AND, stop ignoring my questioning you, on why Iraq launched unprovoked scud attacks into Israel during the start of the gulf war. Or are you going to stick with your statement that it doesn't matter that Israel was attacked first they need to give up the land the took in a war started by the Arabs?

So, is it a deal?? Or is your tap dancing going to continue??
YAY its the "Lets all point out how stupid lowing is thread!" Because golly gee gosh, he sure is stupid.
Oberst-Moser
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stryyker are you serious??? your country is breaking every and eacht rule every day.......in germany we say: dont throw rocks while sitting in a house made of glass. it's cruel for you, but don't you think it's cruel for afghans when they see their children get shot by gi joes?
lowing
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Oberst-Moser wrote:

stryyker are you serious??? your country is breaking every and eacht rule every day.......in germany we say: dont throw rocks while sitting in a house made of glass. it's cruel for you, but don't you think it's cruel for afghans when they see their children get shot by gi joes?
Germany should sit in the fucking corner of the world and shut the fuck up........Who the hell are you to tell any other country how to act? the world had to kick your ass twice to keep you from trying take over the whole damn planet. So just sit in time out until you are told you can go play.
lowing
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jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spumantiii wrote:

Because They Are On Fucking Occupied Land You Nitwit And It's Illegal  Israel Has No Right To Be In The West Bank But Still Built Settlements  It's Palestine Who Is On Defence  Not Israel

YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST OF RESOLUTIONS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IT'S FAIR TO WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE  WHICH IS OCCUPY SOVREIGN LAND

It'd be like if the US invaded Canada and then claimed it had the right to defend itself!!!   While US builds settlements closing gaps and surrounding Canadian cities and when Canadians revolt you bomb them by the hundreds in the name of DEFENCE while ACROSS AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER.  THE ONLY LINK YOU NEED IS THE MISSING LINK TO RAISE YOU UP FROM NEANDERTHAL LEVEL


WATCH THE FILM OR STFU    you don't GET THE 'jist' of it BY WATCHING 15 mins.    WAIT I only read one of your posts and I REFUSE to read the rest because I 'get the jist of it'     I got a jist that you're a moron!!!!!!


It doesn't matter who started the 6 day and yom kippur wars.  Israel took land that belonged to other people, and now they have a problem because they built their fucking houses all over it!!   It's their own fault what can't you understand??  Zionist bullshit is the reason for these wars, not defence, not sovreignty, not pride, not against terror, just outright bullshit zealotism that has no tolerance or understanding whatsoever, kind of like how you do your research and debating.
You are saying it doesn't matter who started a fucking war??..........and you call me a nitwit??

You have not proven your case, as a matter of fact  I will take the time and watch your 1.5 hour long movie, the second you stop ignoring my posts and show me proof that the UN is fair in the treatment of Israel, AND, stop ignoring my questioning you, on why Iraq launched unprovoked scud attacks into Israel during the start of the gulf war. Or are you going to stick with your statement that it doesn't matter that Israel was attacked first they need to give up the land the took in a war started by the Arabs?

So, is it a deal?? Or is your tap dancing going to continue??
YAY its the "Lets all point out how stupid lowing is thread!" Because golly gee gosh, he sure is stupid.
I would expect nothing less than this, from you especially. Continue the dance.
skwurlking
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topthrill05 wrote:

There really isn't anything to say. It's almost too sad to think about.

I will say this though. Maybe some of you will now see why our troops do bad things. If I was a soldier and that happened to someone that I knew, I might do something "Bad".

That guy gets to run home and live. If a US soldier did that, people from all over would throw a hissy fit and bitch about the US and the liberals would too. Then the guy would go to jail for life.

Justice is blind.
Haditha.

Secondarily, I'm tired of people throwing the word "liberal" around like it's an expletive.

In other words, stop being a sheep.
smtt686
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THIS SUBJECT IS DEAD.. No one will EVER win this argument until...well i dont know but it wont be in my lifetime.  Howz about we all meet tonight on a bf2 server and have a good time.  If the UN cant fix it, then it must not be broken (J/K)  besides, neither side is what i would call innocent but i can see why this struggle exists since it has since the beginning of days
Oberst-Moser
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Germany should sit in the fucking corner of the world and shut the fuck up........Who the hell are you to tell any other country how to act? the world had to kick your ass twice to keep you from trying take over the whole damn planet. So just sit in time out until you are told you can go play.
i'm not talking about any reallife roe's, cause nobody will follow them.....like in bf2.
where do you come from? let's dig in the dirtbag and see what we find about your country.
lowing
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Oberst-Moser wrote:

Germany should sit in the fucking corner of the world and shut the fuck up........Who the hell are you to tell any other country how to act? the world had to kick your ass twice to keep you from trying take over the whole damn planet. So just sit in time out until you are told you can go play.
i'm not talking about any reallife roe's, cause nobody will follow them.....like in bf2.
where do you come from? let's dig in the dirtbag and see what we find about your country.
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LMAO.........I am an American..........Just pick any thread in this forum and have at us.
jonsimon
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lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:


You are saying it doesn't matter who started a fucking war??..........and you call me a nitwit??

You have not proven your case, as a matter of fact  I will take the time and watch your 1.5 hour long movie, the second you stop ignoring my posts and show me proof that the UN is fair in the treatment of Israel, AND, stop ignoring my questioning you, on why Iraq launched unprovoked scud attacks into Israel during the start of the gulf war. Or are you going to stick with your statement that it doesn't matter that Israel was attacked first they need to give up the land the took in a war started by the Arabs?

So, is it a deal?? Or is your tap dancing going to continue??
YAY its the "Lets all point out how stupid lowing is thread!" Because golly gee gosh, he sure is stupid.
I would expect nothing less than this, from you especially. Continue the dance.
Sorry but your ignorance was the best way to point out the thread was dead.
lowing
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jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

YAY its the "Lets all point out how stupid lowing is thread!" Because golly gee gosh, he sure is stupid.
I would expect nothing less than this, from you especially. Continue the dance.
Sorry but your ignorance was the best way to point out the thread was dead.
LOL and what better way to dodge a point than by claiming the person that backed you in a corner is just ignorant, while all the time REFUSING to answer specific questions posed to you because you CAN NOT.......LMAO

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