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Sea_JayUK wrote:

I thought Id show my sister what propoganda is today, turned on CNN during the adverts. 'Of course we all agree here at the summit that whiel whats happening in the Middle East at the moment is a terrible tradgedy, Israel has every right to defend itself from attack'.

Hmmmm... Israels not being attacked by an airport, Israels not being attacked through the trade routes (which have been blocked) In fact Israel is provoking a masive conflict with the Arab world because ISRAELS FUNDEMENTALIST RELIGIOUS BELIEFS say that they have a RIGHT to that area of the world. Forget the people who have been there for thousands of years. Israel is the invader, both now and as soon as they set foot in Israel.

Actually the most radical fundamentalist Jews believe the Israel should NOT exist. They do believe in the Holy land but not in the country of Israel.

Wackjobs.

Last edited by Stubbee (2006-07-17 02:20:52)

Lisik wrote:

no no! its say "thay hate our freedom" so this topic is to turn canadian agains us!

Newsflash: Generally speaking, most people in nearly every country apart from the USA are more than a little sceptical about Israel and the actions of the Israeli state. Guess the Israelis haven't yet got their claws into our media as thoroughly as they have in the USA. I don't think this thread is gonna turn anyone more against Israel than they aleady are.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-07-17 02:29:18)

Pernicious544 wrote:

look at this from the point of view that all the middle east has. Its the 1940's and WW2 has just ended, suddenly you find that your land is TAKEN from you and given to some people. Why? because millions were killed by the germans? The worst thing we (the US) ever did was help in securing that land for the Jewish people. If we had never done that then i can promise you that there would be about 75% fewer wars in the middle east. Isreal is on stolen land that belonged to somebody else. Finders keepers losers weepers.

First, read my first post, the land is rightfully Israel's and Palestinians, all of it not just current borders of Israel.  Abram claimed all of the land for himself, and his offspring. 

Second, it was the British, not the US, that supported and allowed for Israel to become a state.  You can trace the migration of Jew back to their homeland as far back as 1896, unlike the 1940's as you stated.   Between 1896 to about 1933 there are five major migration periods for the Jewish people.  Also, about 1940,  28% of the land was bought legitimately by Zionist organizations and private land owned by Jews.  In 1939, Britian limited the about of Jews migrating to the area, and by 1947 the UN approves a partition of Palestine for Jewish and Arab states.  The Jew accept this partition, but the Arabs reject it.  Let me say that again, the Arabs rejected a partition to create both a Jewish and Arab states in the Middle East.  (In my book, at that time, they gave up their rights to the land.) 

For those who did not know, until 1947, Britian controlled this area when the League of Nations gave them control of the region after WWI.  The US may have supported an Israel state, mostly because USA had the 2nd largest populations of Jews.  (Naturally Jews would want their homeland back.)

dubbs wrote:

First, read my first post, the land is rightfully Israel's and Palestinians, all of it not just current borders of Israel.  Abram claimed all of the land for himself, and his offspring.

well, i'd say so called "historical evidence" isn't the best thing to justify all the carnage that happened after israel was allowed to become a state. it's "practical consequenses" that should have been the deciding factor, not some "Abram"-dude, don't you think so?

Second, it was the British, not the US, that supported and allowed for Israel to become a state.  You can trace the migration of Jew back to their homeland as far back as 1896, unlike the 1940's as you stated.   Between 1896 to about 1933 there are five major migration periods for the Jewish people.  Also, about 1940,  28% of the land was bought legitimately by Zionist organizations and private land owned by Jews.  In 1939, Britian limited the about of Jews migrating to the area, and by 1947 the UN approves a partition of Palestine for Jewish and Arab states.  The Jew accept this partition, but the Arabs reject it.  Let me say that again, the Arabs rejected a partition to create both a Jewish and Arab states in the Middle East.  (In my book, at that time, they gave up their rights to the land.)

yeah, yeah, that's right. but what if tomorrow <incert a name of people here> "legitimately buy" a portion of your homeland and and then some <insert a name of international political organisation> decide to split your own country just because "those poor bastards suffered enough under nazzis and need a place to live" - c'mon, will you accept that scenario?

For those who did not know, until 1947, Britian controlled this area when the League of Nations gave them control of the region after WWI.  The US may have supported an Israel state, mostly because USA had the 2nd largest populations of Jews.  (Naturally Jews would want their homeland back.)

well, you just said that - the area was controlled by a kind of "theird party" and then some "League of Nations"-thing decided that if should be divided and each nation had to start to police itself. i'm sure you know what happened next: somehow jews thought that it wasn't cool enough to stay in the borders designated for them by league of nations while arabs didn't accept the partition at all... ever since, this bloody cauldron is boiling and boiling and i don't think it's gonna end any time soon.

so my point is - thinking that those nations full of religious extremists could co-exist in peace just by themselves WAS a mistake, hands down. or, perhaps, it all was somekinda sinister plot, huh? - i dunno, but somehow it doesn't sound completely improbable...

edit: typo's

Last edited by Shahter (2006-07-17 04:43:01)

Okay.  Does Israel think they were terrorists?

dubbs wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

Alexanderthegrape wrote:

Why would they bomb Israel, because Canadians are in a war zone?

Because they fucking suck?

War zone? They got no fucking warning.

According to CNN, Israel did drop leaflets (sp) telling that they were bombing the location.   CNN had this on their index page on July 16th, I can not find the link, or I would have posted it.

PS: Primacord, glad you posted here.

Now thats terrorism. 'We're going to bomb this location, even though it's not our land and we have no reason to suspect that those bombing our country live here'.

At the end of the day which side would you feel safer living in... No wonder you have rockets fired at you.

oh and before we have more of this Israels historic right and how the arab nations are ganging up on you, your religious texts do not have enough substantial evidence to be proclaimed True and certainly dont give you justification to be in the land you currently occupy. This is a case of Religious beliefs (With some historical backing in terms of location) versus modern law and that is why my opinion, and others, are starting to shift towards 'what right does Israel have to do these things'.

the internet is free speaking, if you disagree let people know why, but I'm trying to consider both sides, it's just that Israel is the attacking a country for the actions of a minority.

Ottomania wrote:

even the israelis dont like the shit which their government has done

I wouldn't say that

Lisik wrote:

yes i can repet! FUCK ALL ARABS! KILL THEM! FUCK THEM FUCKING OFF! u have problem with it? i think 55 years of terror against israel - gives to israel right to hate arabs!

Thats a post from an Israeli

It's the ingrained hatred on both sides that is the problem. The Israelis need to put an end to this, making reparations to the Palestinian people and withdrawing all military forces permanently as well as issuing a public apology and the terrorist attacks would stop (Perhaps not overnight, but they would stop).

Bertster7 wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

even the israelis dont like the shit which their government has done

I wouldn't say that

Lisik wrote:

yes i can repet! FUCK ALL ARABS! KILL THEM! FUCK THEM FUCKING OFF! u have problem with it? i think 55 years of terror against israel - gives to israel right to hate arabs!

Thats a post from an Israeli

It's the ingrained hatred on both sides that is the problem. The Israelis need to put an end to this, making reparations to the Palestinian people and withdrawing all military forces permanently as well as issuing a public apology and the terrorist attacks would stop (Perhaps not overnight, but they would stop).

HOLY OVERSIMPLIFICATION. I wish it was that easy but as you saw when Israel pulled out of Gaza the palestinians just used the land to fire rockets into Israel.

The Ottoman Empire, the REAL FUCKING reason why the middle east is so GOD DAMN FUCKED UP.  please prove me wrong

Lisik wrote:

yes i can repet! FUCK ALL ARABS! KILL THEM! FUCK THEM FUCKING OFF! u have problem with it? i think 55 years of terror against israel - gives to israel right to hate arabs!

This is why you're doomed to a never ending cycle of terrorism, your hate breeds it.


That and the fact that you no matter how much technology you may have you're still dumb as shit. Yeah lets bomb the fuck out of Lebanon, that will reduce the number of terrorists? Wait so bombing innocent civilians is going to reduce the number of suicide bombers?? Genius.

Hahahhaha.

-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:

I dont feel like reading through five pages of liberal crap so ill sum this up. Israel dosent target civilians. Yes, sometimes they get caught in the cross fire but that is going to happen in war no matter how careful you are. Hezbollah on the other hand is purposefully targetting Israeli civilians by firing missles into urban centers hoping to kill as many innocent people as possible. To say that Israel is the evil one because a few people were killed in an accident while Hezbollah purposefully targets innocent civilians is just stupid.

Any country dropping bomb in a area occupied by civilians is bound to kill civilians, to say it was not the target is being blind or stupid. Killing 1000 to get 1 person doesn't legitimize the action, it's still killing innocent.

It's a coward action, instead of risking a "commando attack" to get the people they really want they destroy the life of many people who will joy the ranks of people supporting the Hezbollah.

And I put "suicide bomber" in the same bag, it's blind less act of violence with the only purpose of creating fear.

I'm Canadian..... I'm not saying because I'm Canadian. I'm saying this because I don't put more value to a person from Israel or a person from Liban.

Last edited by Buzerk1 (2006-07-17 14:53:35)

Uh.......Gunslinger, at the breakout of WWI, wasn't the Ottoman Empire limited to the European part just south of Russia?  The hieght of their empire was long ago.