Why are you arabs so brain washed. You know for a fact that hezbollah kidnapped and also killed Israeli soldiers. Thats an act of war and you act suprised when Israeli respons in an appropriate manner. If someone kidnapped even one American soldier I would feel no regrets about bombing their country until he or she was released. You have to protect your own. Lebanon is letting Iran and Syria ruin their country not Israel.Sea_JayUK wrote:
I thought Id show my sister what propoganda is today, turned on CNN during the adverts. 'Of course we all agree here at the summit that whiel whats happening in the Middle East at the moment is a terrible tradgedy, Israel has every right to defend itself from attack'.
Hmmmm... Israels not being attacked by an airport, Israels not being attacked through the trade routes (which have been blocked) In fact Israel is provoking a masive conflict with the Arab world because ISRAELS FUNDEMENTALIST RELIGIOUS BELIEFS say that they have a RIGHT to that area of the world. Forget the people who have been there for thousands of years. Israel is the invader, both now and as soon as they set foot in Israel.
You HAVE to be kidding, Israel is one of the only countries which lays a claim to an historic land. Most (if not all) civilisations have been moved from one coutry to another, changed and adapted and evolved into new cultures... Why should israel 'go back' to A land it lost an awful long time ago. thats like the Italians claiming an historic right to Europe or claims by the ancestural homes of the Saxons to England... Who has a right to the land Israel is on? Certainly not a bunch of people who havent lived there for 40+ generations. Our problem now is that Israel IS there, but dont expect the Arab nations to not be a little annoyed that there land has been taken without consent and That the whole world stands by while israels army attacks Arab Airfields and Ports.Spumantiii wrote:
Please. Jews lived in Israel thousands of years ago in one of the world's first cities, Jericho. Islam came about well after Jesus' death. Get your chronology right man. Israel does have a right to exist there. I am not condoning the last 60 years, but Jews have a right to that land just as much as Palestinians.
PS Jerusalem is the Jewish holy city.
Mecca and Medina are the Islamic holy cities.
Who has a right to Jerusalem?
As for a state not trying to eradicate terrorism? Not a just cause for attacking a country as a whole, otherwise England and Ireland would be fighting right now.
Hezbollah is not a country, I believe it is you who has been 'brainwashed' to believe that this is so.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Why are you arabs so brain washed. You know for a fact that hezbollah kidnapped and also killed Israeli soldiers. Thats an act of war and you act suprised when Israeli respons in an appropriate manner. If someone kidnapped even one American soldier I would feel no regrets about bombing their country until he or she was released. You have to protect your own. Lebanon is letting Iran and Syria ruin their country not Israel.
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Agreed 100%Horseman 77 wrote:
they had dual citizenship so its israel 4 canada 0.
Start keeping track of the kill ratio and you will see israel kills about 18 Palestinians for every israeli death.
I haven't kept track of this latest incursion into Lebanon ( they did it before ) but it will be staggeringly one sided.
We wont hear much of it in the USA but if they kill a pretty little Israeli girl, she will be page one.
If they kill a ugly 400 pound israeli bus driver, they will find a pretty little girl crying who " knew him " for page one,
makes a better photo.
100 arabs incinerated in an air strike on a day care center that might may page 14 but it would read
" israeli war planes strike targets in Lebanon "
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My family goes back in Israel for plenty of generations. You don't know what you're talking about. Countries that lay claim to historic land hmm let's see shall I bust out a list for you?
China Canada United States UK France Israel India Pakistan Turkey Azerbaijan Russia and that's of the ones I know
oh yeah Zaire Congo Egypt Syria Yugoslavia Germany etc etc etc etc
as for Israel's current actions, their cause may be just in that they are protecting their soldiers BUT ROE does not include targeting civilians. TERRORISM DOES. The Hesbollah fighters are not national troops and are as such impossible to discren, outside of combat, from civilians. Attacking civilians is wrong. I'm of Jewish blood and I have family living there right now in Eilat right on the border between Egypt and Jordan. I hope Israel can put on their thinking caps pretty soon or my family could be in trouble.
PS Jerusalem is the Jewish holy city.
Mecca and Medina are the Islamic holy cities.
Who has a right to Jerusalem?
EDIT nice rearrangement to make it look like I said that before you made those statements
China Canada United States UK France Israel India Pakistan Turkey Azerbaijan Russia and that's of the ones I know
oh yeah Zaire Congo Egypt Syria Yugoslavia Germany etc etc etc etc
as for Israel's current actions, their cause may be just in that they are protecting their soldiers BUT ROE does not include targeting civilians. TERRORISM DOES. The Hesbollah fighters are not national troops and are as such impossible to discren, outside of combat, from civilians. Attacking civilians is wrong. I'm of Jewish blood and I have family living there right now in Eilat right on the border between Egypt and Jordan. I hope Israel can put on their thinking caps pretty soon or my family could be in trouble.
Please. Jews lived in Israel thousands of years ago in one of the world's first cities, Jericho. Islam came about well after Jesus' death. Get your chronology right man. Israel does have a right to exist there. I am not condoning the last 60 years, but Jews have a right to that land just as much as Palestinians.Sea_JayUK wrote:
You HAVE to be kidding, Israel is one of the only countries which lays a claim to an historic land. Most (if not all) civilisations have been moved from one coutry to another, changed and adapted and evolved into new cultures... Why should israel 'go back' to A land it lost an awful long time ago. thats like the Italians claiming an historic right to Europe or claims by the ancestural homes of the Saxons to England... Who has a right to the land Israel is on? Certainly not a bunch of people who havent lived there for 40+ generations. Our problem now is that Israel IS there, but dont expect the Arab nations to not be a little annoyed that there land has been taken without consent and That the whole world stands by while israels army attacks Arab Airfields and Ports.
PS Jerusalem is the Jewish holy city.
Mecca and Medina are the Islamic holy cities.
Who has a right to Jerusalem?
EDIT nice rearrangement to make it look like I said that before you made those statements
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Small point: Jeruslam is the third Islamic holy city. The Haram-Al-Sharif or Dome of the Rock, where Mohammed supposedly flew off to heaven on a winged horse, is situated right slap bang in the middle of it. I love religion - it's such bullshit.Spumantiii wrote:
Please. Jews lived in Israel thousands of years ago in one of the world's first cities, Jericho. Islam came about well after Jesus' death. Get your chronology right man. Israel does have a right to exist there. I am not condoning the last 60 years, but Jews have a right to that land just as much as Palestinians.
PS Jerusalem is the Jewish holy city.
Mecca and Medina are the Islamic holy cities.
Who has a right to Jerusalem?
well spoken and true enuffViper38 wrote:
Lucky we have America to save us all, eh?Horseman 77 wrote:
iceland to the rescue ?
I was expecting someone to say this. I left it out for a reason:CameronPoe wrote:
Small point: Jeruslam is the third Islamic holy city. The Haram-Al-Sharif or Dome of the Rock, where Mohammed supposedly flew off to heaven on a winged horse, is situated right slap bang in the middle of it. I love religion - it's such bullshit.Spumantiii wrote:
Please. Jews lived in Israel thousands of years ago in one of the world's first cities, Jericho. Islam came about well after Jesus' death. Get your chronology right man. Israel does have a right to exist there. I am not condoning the last 60 years, but Jews have a right to that land just as much as Palestinians.
PS Jerusalem is the Jewish holy city.
Mecca and Medina are the Islamic holy cities.
Who has a right to Jerusalem?
because 3rd most ALWAYS supersedes 1st. BS.
It's also the 1st christian city. I used to be a christian - when can I expect my half of Jerusalem?Spumantiii wrote:
I was expecting someone to say this. I left it out for a reason:CameronPoe wrote:
Small point: Jeruslam is the third Islamic holy city. The Haram-Al-Sharif or Dome of the Rock, where Mohammed supposedly flew off to heaven on a winged horse, is situated right slap bang in the middle of it. I love religion - it's such bullshit.Spumantiii wrote:
Please. Jews lived in Israel thousands of years ago in one of the world's first cities, Jericho. Islam came about well after Jesus' death. Get your chronology right man. Israel does have a right to exist there. I am not condoning the last 60 years, but Jews have a right to that land just as much as Palestinians.
PS Jerusalem is the Jewish holy city.
Mecca and Medina are the Islamic holy cities.
Who has a right to Jerusalem?
because 3rd most ALWAYS supersedes 1st. BS.
Ah religion, possibly the route of all evil.
there can't be three halves!!!
lol this argument can't be won
maybe Israel needs an international government
lol this argument can't be won
maybe Israel needs an international government
Wow, grape, great comments. They are really adding to the debate!
No, this is the route of all evil...Sea_JayUK wrote:
Ah religion, possibly the route of all evil.
maybe he means the root of all evil. I like to call it the turnip.
Yeah, I'm just being an ass, as usual.Spumantiii wrote:
maybe he means the root of all evil. I like to call it the turnip.
Cough cough Spumantiii.....
The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years… Then it fell apart…[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 100 BC to the wiping out of Juda in 586 BC, we arrive at [only] a 414-year Jewish rule."
Ilene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the land of Canaan."
And if you are telling me that in Torah it says that the land is for the Jews. Doesnt it also say that a messiah will bring the Jews to the land. And not the Zionist ?
The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years… Then it fell apart…[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 100 BC to the wiping out of Juda in 586 BC, we arrive at [only] a 414-year Jewish rule."
Ilene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the land of Canaan."
And if you are telling me that in Torah it says that the land is for the Jews. Doesnt it also say that a messiah will bring the Jews to the land. And not the Zionist ?
here's a timeline for the history of Jerusalem
http://www.centuryone.com/hstjrslm.html
Jews may not have ruled, but have lived there since 1000 BC at least
http://www.centuryone.com/hstjrslm.html
Jews may not have ruled, but have lived there since 1000 BC at least
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So........your upset that he used a term prevalent among black racists, but don't care that he just mocked Arabs?Sgt.Davi wrote:
Can you refrain from dropping the N-bomb.
It is depressing, even when used in sarcasm/jokes
Palestinians stayed there, Jews didn't.Spumantiii wrote:
but Jews have a right to that land just as much as Palestinians.
Just a thought, is Lebanon actually able to control Hizbollah(sp?)? If not, its not really fair to go killing the Lebanese people is it?
We dont even know for sure were and when or if the ancient jews lived. Its not a viable argument in the 21st century.
some Jews didn't that's a vastly general statementBubbalo wrote:
Palestinians stayed there, Jews didn't.Spumantiii wrote:
but Jews have a right to that land just as much as Palestinians.
don't forget it was rarely out of their will that they moved
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umm yes we do it's just as much history as the ancient Greeks or Phoenicians or Egyptians. There is plenty of history if you care to look for it, don't just say "there is none"Horseman 77 wrote:
We dont even know for sure were and when or if the ancient jews lived. Its not a viable argument in the 21st century.
you know what's NOT a viable argument here in the 21st century,
anything the King James Bible tells you about what Jesus said
do we know when and if the holocaust happened as well? Do we know anything ever happened?
anything the King James Bible tells you about what Jesus said
do we know when and if the holocaust happened as well? Do we know anything ever happened?
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Agree lolPBAsydney wrote:
Isrealis are just as much terrorists as all those around them.
Here some more :Spumantiii wrote:
here's a timeline for the history of Jerusalem
http://www.centuryone.com/hstjrslm.html
Jews may not have ruled, but have lived there since 1000 BC at least
Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800BC, the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanities.
"Between 3000 and 1100BC, Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan… Those would remain in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century AD] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks an old Canaanite tribes."
Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright,
"Their Promised Land".
The Present –day Palestinians` ancestral heritage
"But all these [different peoples who had come into Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree…And that parentry was Canaanite…[the Arab invaders of the 7th century AD] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabised that we cannot tell whether Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin."
Ilene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the land of Canaan."