yes they need to just bend over and get ass raped by the israelisrawls2 wrote:
You know watching that video makes me feel like the world has gone on. Palstine will never be again. They should just assimilate into Israeli culture and stop fighting. Do they want to live in peace and build homes or continue to fight for something that is dead?
As an Irishman I can tell you now that the Palestinians WILL NEVER GIVE UP. I assume you're from the US. If your nation was invaded by Russia would you assimilate into Slavic culture. Start speaking Russian. I think not. You'd resist with every fibre of your strength and courage. The Irish never gave up on their nation and culture being destroyed and in the end we won our freedom (for 13/16 of our nation anyway). The Brits may have badly damaged our language but it has managed to survive, just. Our culture other than our language is completely intact. You cannot expect Palestinians to suffer the indignity of defeat at the hands of their Israeli overlords.rawls2 wrote:
You know watching that video makes me feel like the world has gone on. Palstine will never be again. They should just assimilate into Israeli culture and stop fighting. Do they want to live in peace and build homes or continue to fight for something that is dead?
Besides, Israel WILL NEVER let them assimilate as it would sound the death knell of the jewish nature of the state of Israel. Arab birth rates would ensure that arabs would be in the majority in a few generations. That's just another aspect of this giant shit sandwich.
I see why you empathize with the Palestinians. However, I feel like the two situations are very different seeing how the British already had a country and were bieng greedy. I dont think you can say that Israel would not let them assimilate, that is complete opinion and you could never know for sure. Lets say Israel leaves the west bank and gaza for good, you think the Palestinians would quit there. Probably not. They would keep pushing untill Israel ceased to exist and then what? What would the world do with millions of Israeli refugees?
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maybe the israelis shod have assimilated themselves into palestine in 1948 instead of stealing the landrawls2 wrote:
I see why you empathize with the Palestinians. However, I feel like the two situations are very different seeing how the British already had a country and were bieng greedy. I dont think you can say that Israel would not let them assimilate, that is complete opinion and you could never know for sure. Lets say Israel leaves the west bank and gaza for good, you think the Palestinians would quit there. Probably not. They would keep pushing untill Israel ceased to exist and then what? What would the world do with millions of Israeli refugees?
YEAH AND THE UN SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CREATED TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE STEALING LAND FROM PALESTINE AND CREATING ISRAEL.herrr_smity wrote:
maybe the israelis shod have assimilated themselves into palestine in 1948 instead of stealing the landrawls2 wrote:
I see why you empathize with the Palestinians. However, I feel like the two situations are very different seeing how the British already had a country and were bieng greedy. I dont think you can say that Israel would not let them assimilate, that is complete opinion and you could never know for sure. Lets say Israel leaves the west bank and gaza for good, you think the Palestinians would quit there. Probably not. They would keep pushing untill Israel ceased to exist and then what? What would the world do with millions of Israeli refugees?
YAAAARRRRGGGGG FUCK ISRAEL!!!! OMG FUUUUCKCKK!!rawls2 wrote:
YEAH AND THE UN SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CREATED TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE STEALING LAND FROM PALESTINE AND CREATING ISRAEL.herrr_smity wrote:
maybe the israelis shod have assimilated themselves into palestine in 1948 instead of stealing the landrawls2 wrote:
I see why you empathize with the Palestinians. However, I feel like the two situations are very different seeing how the British already had a country and were bieng greedy. I dont think you can say that Israel would not let them assimilate, that is complete opinion and you could never know for sure. Lets say Israel leaves the west bank and gaza for good, you think the Palestinians would quit there. Probably not. They would keep pushing untill Israel ceased to exist and then what? What would the world do with millions of Israeli refugees?
Well moderate Palestinian authorities such as the President Mahmoud Abbas (and incidentally the late Yasser Arafat) support the two-state solution, i.e. the state of Israel co-existing with the state of Palestine - so I don't think it's completely outlandish to believe that if Israel withdrew there might actually be peace. One can only hypothesise however. The fact is Israel have more than just the Palestinians as enemies in the middle east. Any danger to the actual existence of Israel will be posed by major players such as Iran. I hardly think catapults, rocks and improvised bombs will bring down the state of Israel.rawls2 wrote:
I see why you empathize with the Palestinians. However, I feel like the two situations are very different seeing how the British already had a country and were bieng greedy. I dont think you can say that Israel would not let them assimilate, that is complete opinion and you could never know for sure. Lets say Israel leaves the west bank and gaza for good, you think the Palestinians would quit there. Probably not. They would keep pushing untill Israel ceased to exist and then what? What would the world do with millions of Israeli refugees?
Im glad I live in the good ole US of A were everyone is welcome and anybody can become somebody with hard work and dedication.
All of us residents of the western world don't know how lucky we are. I for one believe we owe it to the rest of the world to try and give them a helping hand so that someday they might enjoy the comfort we enjoy.rawls2 wrote:
Im glad I live in the good ole US of A were everyone is welcome and anybody can become somebody with hard work and dedication.
Unfortunately for those in the middle east it won't be anytime soon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/p … html/1.stm
It would be nice except for those that try to chop your hand off when you offer it to them.CameronPoe wrote:
All of us residents of the western world don't know how lucky we are. I for one believe we owe it to the rest of the world to try and give them a helping hand so that someday they might enjoy the comfort we enjoy.rawls2 wrote:
Im glad I live in the good ole US of A were everyone is welcome and anybody can become somebody with hard work and dedication.
Unfortunately for those in the middle east it won't be anytime soon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/p … html/1.stm
'Offering them your hand' may be as simple as staying out of their affairs and letting them evolve and grow themselves. That way you get to keep 'your hand'.rawls2 wrote:
It would be nice except for those that try to chop your hand off when you offer it to them.CameronPoe wrote:
All of us residents of the western world don't know how lucky we are. I for one believe we owe it to the rest of the world to try and give them a helping hand so that someday they might enjoy the comfort we enjoy.rawls2 wrote:
Im glad I live in the good ole US of A were everyone is welcome and anybody can become somebody with hard work and dedication.
Unfortunately for those in the middle east it won't be anytime soon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/p … html/1.stm
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Its a conundrum. A damed if you do damned if you don't. Who do you help? What side should get the aid? You cant make one side happy without enraging the other. Its good versus evil. I, for one, think the west are the good guys. Anyways, excellent thread Cameron, lots of good debate.
Here another cheap shot. Go learn science. You made reference to mass not being important when it related to the mass being an object slammed into another object...or maybe it was a brain fart on your part. Im not einstein but that required comment...Bubbalo wrote:
That's a cheap shot. Either debate or don't, but don't go insulting people just because you don't like what they say.Except that in this analogy the ball bearing is the ping pong ball, as a ball bearing is smaller and lighter than a nail.rawls2 wrote:
Getting shot with a ping pong ball traveling at 3500 ft/sec as opposed to bieng shot with a bowling ball at 3500 feet/sec. What would you rather have happen to you?
Correct its a simple e=mc2 energy=speedxmass you can look at it this way you get hit by a car travelling at 40kmph and somehow live mow imagine getting hit by a truck travelling 40 kilometres per hour. But if the car was travelling 100 kilometres per hour and the truck 40 the car would do more damage.golgoj4 wrote:
Here another cheap shot. Go learn science. You made reference to mass not being important when it related to the mass being an object slammed into another object...or maybe it was a brain fart on your part. Im not einstein but that required comment...Bubbalo wrote:
That's a cheap shot. Either debate or don't, but don't go insulting people just because you don't like what they say.Except that in this analogy the ball bearing is the ping pong ball, as a ball bearing is smaller and lighter than a nail.rawls2 wrote:
Getting shot with a ping pong ball traveling at 3500 ft/sec as opposed to bieng shot with a bowling ball at 3500 feet/sec. What would you rather have happen to you?
Cameron i do not know how you can find this bullshit in world war 2 Hitler had nearly wiped out all jews and yet it says in the video that the west bank and gaza have been under control for over 135 years. You find the West to be the good guys and East the bad guys? Tell me who gets involved in other peoples wars there? You think terrorist attacks are unprovoked? Ill tell you why the East hates the US because someone has the great idea to "help" them and perform a mass killing of civilians (possibly kills 1 guys whole family) and then they expect for nothing to happen back. You think when you kill someones family through bombings he will help you?. If you think that you are just as bad as the terrorists. You think that they think they are terrorists... no they think they are fighting as a cause just like your government does. The US was the country that provoked 9/11 and it wasnt the terrorists just randomly doing that. It was a group of men who had supposedly lost their family and wanted revenge. Lets go take a look at America's standings with the countries in the East. Pretty much everyone except for Israel hates you. Parts of Europe hate you North Korea hates you Vietnam hates you. You think Russia would have stopped supporting Iran if they were such great allies same with China. Then you manage to say some bullshit like America is a land of freedom? Ive got friends there with children and they are afraid for their lives because of racial discrimination. I wouldnt be calling and middle eastern country the evil ones. You can see how ignorant people are on this forum when they hear something they dont want to they just ignore it and end up saying something like just nuke all the fuckers. Is that the real mentality of 1/2 the people in this thread? Listen here im for no one and there shouldnt be a war im not some kind of a war monger or a US hater. I just think that your government and some "patriotic civilians" should keep their mouths closed.
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1. Not everyone are welcomed to the US, and I'm not talking about militants or terrorists.CameronPoe wrote:
All of us residents of the western world don't know how lucky we are. I for one believe we owe it to the rest of the world to try and give them a helping hand so that someday they might enjoy the comfort we enjoy.rawls2 wrote:
Im glad I live in the good ole US of A were everyone is welcome and anybody can become somebody with hard work and dedication.
Unfortunately for those in the middle east it won't be anytime soon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_beirut_destruction/html/1.stm
2. Most of the poor guys in the US can truely become somebody with alot of luck or by going to the army and endangering themselves in Iraq/Afghanistan. Most of the guys that go to the American armed forced are people with no education or future and mostly come from poor regions. The army gives them education, shelter, job, money etc, but in order to get these, they are asked to risk their lives. It is funny how the poor guys protect the middle class/high class interests. Liberals stink, Socialism rock.
3. Having food and shelter doesn't necesserily makes you lucky.
4. The western world is partially built on exploitation of 3rd world citizens (and in countries like the US - exploitation of the poor citizens), and westeners hardly help anyone but themselves.
5. The situation in the middle east is quite clear in my opinion - http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null
Thats a Lebanese doctor for something or a journalist, I can't really remember. She sharpens up the entire conflict between the western world (especially Israel) and the Muslim world.
And in response to the one who opened this thread :
You are a damn fool, and nothing more. I wonder how does your mind work. Do you think Israel should have given cookies and tea to the Lebanese civilians in response to Hezbollah's attacks? It is a fact that those guys do whatever they want in Lebanon without anyone to stop them. The Lebanese government doesn't do a thing and the Lebanese army is suspected in aiding the terrorist orgenization in several ways. The UN-peacekeeping taskforce is inactive and worthless, which proves once again how stupid this whole orgenization really is.
I wonder how the moral Irish people would have reacted if there was a terrorist group which claimed the destruction of the mighty Irish state + got weapons from countries which are hostile towards Ireland + attacked the Irish army/Irish civilians whenever they felt like it + used a countrie's infastructure to get more weapons etc. We are talking about Ireland, so I guess you would have given them free beer and money to improve that great infastructure which is significant to those fine men which according to any dictionary are terrorists simply because their goal is to harm civilians.
These militants are using the Lebanese infastructure to conduct their businesses. We Israelis are fed up with this situation and the world community's behavior. FFS, how longer do you think they can keep on doing what they want with us doing NOTHING. We tried that before - both with the palestinians and with Hezbollah. Didn't work in either case. They know only war, and they will get war.
The Lebanese people suffer only because the world community does nothing. Israel, like any other nation, has the right to defend itself. The destruction of the Lebanese infastructure is meant to prevent the militia from doing what they want wherever they want to. The measures taken were not supposed to harm Lebanese civilians, so no normal human being can call Israel a terrorist state. If you want someone to blame go to the UN. I can send you to the terrorists/syria/Iran, but I think that they don't really matter in your opinion, I guess, even though they are directly responsible for this goddamn issue, simply because you are narrow minded. I hate silly kids who think they know a thing or two about the situation here and start bullshitting all over the place.
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Acutually, that was to the poster above me. Apologies for the misunderstanding.golgoj4 wrote:
Here another cheap shot.
Mass isn't important, momentum is. The problem is you assume they travel at the same speed, when the larger mass would be accelerated slower. That is to say: if one person filled and explosive with 3mm ball bearings, and another filled an explosive with 7mm ball bearings, and the explosives were otherwise identical, the 3mm ball bearings would travel faster.golgoj4 wrote:
Go learn science. You made reference to mass not being important when it related to the mass being an object slammed into another object...or maybe it was a brain fart on your part. Im not einstein but that required comment...
In short: You are forgetting the law of conservation of energy.
Regardless, upon re-reading it appears I wasn't clear enough:
The overall mass of all ball bearings combined is greater the the mass of the nails, but the mass of each individual ball bearing is less.
And I'm assuming the person who suggested they might be using wheel bearings was joking.............
And I'm wondering when the police are going to start monitoring BF2S....................
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I want to address some of your points with respect to where I come from:GIJew88 wrote:
1. Not everyone are welcomed to the US, and I'm not talking about militants or terrorists.CameronPoe wrote:
All of us residents of the western world don't know how lucky we are. I for one believe we owe it to the rest of the world to try and give them a helping hand so that someday they might enjoy the comfort we enjoy.rawls2 wrote:
Im glad I live in the good ole US of A were everyone is welcome and anybody can become somebody with hard work and dedication.
Unfortunately for those in the middle east it won't be anytime soon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/p … html/1.stm
2. Most of the poor guys in the US can truely become somebody with alot of luck or by going to the army and endangering themselves in Iraq/Afghanistan. Most of the guys that go to the American armed forced are people with no education or future and mostly come from poor regions. The army gives them education, shelter, job, money etc, but in order to get these, they are asked to risk their lives. It is funny how the poor guys protect the middle class/high class interests. Liberals stink, Socialism rock.
3. Having food and shelter doesn't necesserily makes you lucky.
4. The western world is partially built on exploitation of 3rd world citizens (and in countries like the US - exploitation of the poor citizens), and westeners hardly help anyone but themselves.
5. The situation in the middle east is quite clear in my opinion - http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200410 … mp;ak=null
Thats a Lebanese doctor for something or a journalist, I can't really remember. She sharpens up the entire conflict between the western world (especially Israel) and the Muslim world.
I'm from the Republic of Ireland - a neutral country that has never been imperialistic or attempted to exploit anyone in all of history. We have been the exploited but never performed the exploiting. We won our freedom (for most of our country) and have become largely self-sufficient (with significant support from the EU in helping us to achieve this). I know that the western world was built on the exploitation of the 3rd world - Belgian & French conquests of Africa, British conquests of Africa, America & Asia, Spanish/Portuguese conquests of Latin America, American conquest of the wild west, modern-day conquests of the middle east and parts of Latin America. I will always empathise with the Native American, the Indian and the Aztec because we Irish have been the exploited. It's drummed into us from primary school up to adulthood.
Capitalism demands that someone must be a loser however. Economic winners must breed economic losers. Here in Europe we have decent social welfare so the fabric of society isn't damaged too much from the fact that economic losers are generated - we ensure a basic standard of living for all. Scandinavian countries in particular have a system of capitalism that I think is second to none. This obviously just refers to the internal 'economic losers' - not the third world.
For the record I come from a working class family (my Dad spent fifteen years illegally collecting dole while taking any employment he could find during the dire employment-void that was 1980s Ireland). Free university and grants for low income families meant that I could go to university, earn a degree and find high-paid employment. Just because I am doing well now does not mean I will ever forget where I came from or the value of money.
Ireland is one of the most generous nations per capita in the world, in terms of contributing towards the development of the third world (both governmentally and privately).
Im sorry I can't comment on your video - no streaming media through my firewall at work.
I would comment on what you have said but you seem to have completely misread something or completely misjudged what I have been saying. For a start I'm NOT FROM THE USA. I'm from POBLACHT NA HÉIREANN (the Republic of Ireland). Revise your statement and I'll respond then. Jeez.spray_and_pray wrote:
Correct its a simple e=mc2 energy=speedxmass you can look at it this way you get hit by a car travelling at 40kmph and somehow live mow imagine getting hit by a truck travelling 40 kilometres per hour. But if the car was travelling 100 kilometres per hour and the truck 40 the car would do more damage.golgoj4 wrote:
Here another cheap shot. Go learn science. You made reference to mass not being important when it related to the mass being an object slammed into another object...or maybe it was a brain fart on your part. Im not einstein but that required comment...Bubbalo wrote:
That's a cheap shot. Either debate or don't, but don't go insulting people just because you don't like what they say.
Except that in this analogy the ball bearing is the ping pong ball, as a ball bearing is smaller and lighter than a nail.
Cameron i do not know how you can find this bullshit in world war 2 Hitler had nearly wiped out all jews and yet it says in the video that the west bank and gaza have been under control for over 135 years. You find the West to be the good guys and East the bad guys? Tell me who gets involved in other peoples wars there? You think terrorist attacks are unprovoked? Ill tell you why the East hates the US because someone has the great idea to "help" them and perform a mass killing of civilians (possibly kills 1 guys whole family) and then they expect for nothing to happen back. You think when you kill someones family through bombings he will help you?. If you think that you are just as bad as the terrorists. You think that they think they are terrorists... no they think they are fighting as a cause just like your government does. The US was the country that provoked 9/11 and it wasnt the terrorists just randomly doing that. It was a group of men who had supposedly lost their family and wanted revenge. Lets go take a look at America's standings with the countries in the East. Pretty much everyone except for Israel hates you. Parts of Europe hate you North Korea hates you Vietnam hates you. You think Russia would have stopped supporting Iran if they were such great allies same with China. Then you manage to say some bullshit like America is a land of freedom? Ive got friends there with children and they are afraid for their lives because of racial discrimination. I wouldnt be calling and middle eastern country the evil ones. You can see how ignorant people are on this forum when they hear something they dont want to they just ignore it and end up saying something like just nuke all the fuckers. Is that the real mentality of 1/2 the people in this thread? Listen here im for no one and there shouldnt be a war im not some kind of a war monger or a US hater. I just think that your government and some "patriotic civilians" should keep their mouths closed.
PS I really don't think you've read ANY of my posts because the kind of shit you're accusing me of is just hilariously ridiculous. I think some of the Americans will laugh when they read your complaints about me being 'Pro-US'.
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lebanon is becoming flat, from days of air strikes and artillery bombardments. If people think that Lebanon and Hezbolah are in the wrong, then just look at the scale of the devastation caused by Israel and then by Hezbolah, the Hezbolah rockets havent even got the power to take out one building, they just destroy like one wall down thats it. Whereas Israel's missiles and smart bombs take out entire blocks of flats. i think that the responce by israel is far far far out of proportion and is wrong. Those blocks of flats could hav housed hundreds of civilians each, so even if there were some hezbolah there, then they have killedmaybe a further 80 civilians. the UN hav inspected this and they say that it is against the laws of war, and they will prosecute Israel for unlawful civilian killing.
On another note, the US has just spead up another shipment of smart bombs to Israel, which i think is very wrong and should be stopped, the whole of Europe is very against it, including Britain which is now condeming US actions. the US is losing its friends
On another note, the US has just spead up another shipment of smart bombs to Israel, which i think is very wrong and should be stopped, the whole of Europe is very against it, including Britain which is now condeming US actions. the US is losing its friends
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You really shoudl read some of the posts in this thread (it's fucking long but you're coming at this thread with little appreciation for the arguments that have been made). Short story is this: I'm not saying Israel 'take no action' as all Israelis seem to think that is what I'm implying. I'm saying that the actions they are taking are ineffective and will be counter-productive, especially in the long run. If the same thing were happening to Ireland I would hope that our government would act with a little more decorum, forward-thinking and morality as befits a proper nation than to relatively indiscriminately destroy a country and kill hundreds of civilians collaterally. Measured response not 'lash out in anger'. Israel don't have to 'take no action' but instead take 'better action', military or otherwise. Anyways - read at least some of the thread please.GIJew88 wrote:
And in response to the one who opened this thread :
You are a damn fool, and nothing more. I wonder how does your mind work. Do you think Israel should have given cookies and tea to the Lebanese civilians in response to Hezbollah's attacks? It is a fact that those guys do whatever they want in Lebanon without anyone to stop them. The Lebanese government doesn't do a thing and the Lebanese army is suspected in aiding the terrorist orgenization in several ways. The UN-peacekeeping taskforce is inactive and worthless, which proves once again how stupid this whole orgenization really is.
I wonder how the moral Irish people would have reacted if there was a terrorist group which claimed the destruction of the mighty Irish state + got weapons from countries which are hostile towards Ireland + attacked the Irish army/Irish civilians whenever they felt like it + used a countrie's infastructure to get more weapons etc. We are talking about Ireland, so I guess you would have given them free beer and money to improve that great infastructure which is significant to those fine men which according to any dictionary are terrorists simply because their goal is to harm civilians.
These militants are using the Lebanese infastructure to conduct their businesses. We Israelis are fed up with this situation and the world community's behavior. FFS, how longer do you think they can keep on doing what they want with us doing NOTHING. We tried that before - both with the palestinians and with Hezbollah. Didn't work in either case. They know only war, and they will get war.
The Lebanese people suffer only because the world community does nothing. Israel, like any other nation, has the right to defend itself. The destruction of the Lebanese infastructure is meant to prevent the militia from doing what they want wherever they want to. The measures taken were not supposed to harm Lebanese civilians, so no normal human being can call Israel a terrorist state. If you want someone to blame go to the UN. I can send you to the terrorists/syria/Iran, but I think that they don't really matter in your opinion, I guess, even though they are directly responsible for this goddamn issue, simply because you are narrow minded. I hate silly kids who think they know a thing or two about the situation here and start bullshitting all over the place.
PS I've been to the West Bank during the current intifada and know from first hand experience that Israel IS A TERRORIST STATE.
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Typical Israeli attitude. Perpetuate the cycle of violence! Try righting some of the wrongs Israel have committed and then come back to me for sympathy.GIJew88 wrote:
They know only war, and they will get war.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-07-24 03:39:46)
cameron, i have even more ammo for ur argument, Israel is also technically an illegal state, as it posesses many hundreds of nuclear missiles and weaponary, however, back in the eighties there was a law passed by all of the nuclear capable countries that no more nuclear weapons would be created, however Israel has ignored this and is in blatent breach of the UN law. It is an illegal state, however the US is protecting it from prossecution simply because no one messes with the US
Israel is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is it?
no it isnt, it didnt sign up, because the law was passed before it had created its own weapons, so it didnt sign and ignored the law and created its own weapons under the protection of the US
Except that if it isn't a signatory it has no obligation not to get nuclear weapons. Also, there if no proof that it has any.
Also, typo. I meant to say isn't, not is. Hence my point.
Also, typo. I meant to say isn't, not is. Hence my point.
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