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2006-07-22 08:22:48
rawls
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CameronPoe wrote:

rawls wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Don't ever put words in my mouth or try to define what I say...you obviously aren't intelligent enough to do so.
Are you going to tell on me ooh! Beside I feel my post was clever and insightful. Ball bearings traveling at 3500 ft/sec will tear you to shreds.
What the fuck does the IRA have to do with any of this?
It was an exaggeration to prove a point. This guy rants poor Lebanese, evil Israel, poor Lebanese, evil Israel. So I took his quote and did one of those What he said/ what he meant bits. He didn't find it humorous. Calm down Cameron, the IRA was a mere reference and by no means do I claim to know anything about them except they are Ireland's terrorists.

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2006-07-22 08:25:16
rawls
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Headstone's excellent point:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

In response to your original post, The Jews were the ones displaced, They got there RIGHTFUL land back. The Arabs Were the occupiers. According to the bible, the Jews were there first. I dont think the Rest of the world would have annihilated Israel if the US didnt back them, Maybe Uncompromising Arab states might have, but there ARE countries that do Understand Israel has a right to exist on there Own ancestral lands.
QFT!

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2006-07-22 08:29:59
|AIA| DAS
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Bubbalo wrote:

No, I don't.  The advantage of ball bearings is that they're small and hard to find.
Robert Ayers, an explosives expert with 30 years of experience with the US Army and the British military, said: "It appears that the bombers were thinking ahead and had prepared a range of devices which could be used either as they are or adopted for other use.

"The nail bombs were anti-personnel weapons meant to cause horrific injuries or deaths. One lot in the new photographs are similar, with the ball bearings acting as the shrapnel instead of nails. The other ones could be turned into that easily by adding metal, or to detonate a larger bomb."

Quoted from...
http://www.petrifiedtruth.com/archives/002584.html
which in turn quoted from...

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/ … 302267.ece =story on London tube bombings

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2006-07-22 08:31:19
Bubbalo
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And?  Shrapnel gets dug out.  What's the difference between ball bearings and nails?  Ball bearings are smaller.
2006-07-22 08:35:52
rawls
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Bubbalo wrote:

And?  Shrapnel gets dug out.  What's the difference between ball bearings and nails?  Ball bearings are smaller.
See bubbalo they may be small but they have more mass because you could pack them tighter together as opposed to nails. An explosive with greater mass will tear you up. In reality, does it matter if its nail or ball bearrings. No matter what either will tear you up.
2006-07-22 08:38:54
Bubbalo
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What are you on?  The overall mass of the ball bearings may be greater, but that isn't to do with size but with shape.  And greater mass doesn't mean it's worse.  How does that work?
2006-07-22 08:50:02
|AIA| DAS
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Ball bearings are only used in explosives to cause more damage to human targets.  Shrapnel does little damage to buildings and structures, but massive amounts of damage to flesh and bone.  Think of it this way, If you had the same amount of explosives in a grenade in a paper bag, instead of a metal container, it would only hurt someones ears if it was 15 feet away.  However if you packed the bag tightly with Ball Bearings it would kill anyone within 15 feet.
2006-07-22 08:56:57
Bubbalo
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Yes.  That is correct.  Where your analogy fails, however, is that you compare an empty bag with one which contains ball bearings, rather than a bag that contains nails with one that contains ball bearings.  As the ball bearings are smaller than nails, medical personal have trouble finding and removing them.
2006-07-22 09:01:55
jonsimon
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:


Now you are just evading, if you don't have an answer, you concede the arguement, you said Israel has been Opressing the lebanese for years.  I'll let you have during the occupation, but after they left Lebanon, there was no OPRESSION.
Yeah, and I specifically referred to the occupation, so it looks like you just agreed with me. And don't give me "you lose for evading" I've seen you change topics suddenly without counterpoints.
*Yawns*
"Enemy traffic cone, Spotted"

EVADING!
Except I adressed your point, which makes you the evader. And as for the 6 year interim, Israel has held a number of Lebannese prisoners which it promised to release in a deal it cut with lebannon. They're still in prison.
2006-07-22 09:02:44
|AIA| DAS
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Bubbalo wrote:

Yes.  That is correct.  Where your analogy fails, however, is that you compare an empty bag with one which contains ball bearings, rather than a bag that contains nails with one that contains ball bearings.  As the ball bearings are smaller than nails, medical personal have trouble finding and removing them.
*Bangs head against wall*

Neither are used cause they are harder to find, both are used for their destructive properties...Ball Bearings are used because you can pack more ball bearings into tighter devices, therefore, more human killing projectiles.
2006-07-22 09:05:22
jonsimon
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Yes.  That is correct.  Where your analogy fails, however, is that you compare an empty bag with one which contains ball bearings, rather than a bag that contains nails with one that contains ball bearings.  As the ball bearings are smaller than nails, medical personal have trouble finding and removing them.
*Bangs head against wall*

Neither are used cause they are harder to find, both are used for their destructive properties...Ball Bearings are used because you can pack more ball bearings into tighter devices, therefore, more human killing projectiles.
They also have the advantage of being harder to remove, which greatly increases the fatality rate of a hit. You both have valid points, and should stop arguing about something so removed from the topic.
2006-07-22 09:07:00
hasnol963
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Guys...Wth is your probleme the stupid israliens made the iran and syrian thing up just to find a reson to attck libanon and then syria these guys are stupid and i'm actualy proud of hizboullah cus there actualy fighting for there country not like the stupid americans who fight only for money. this whole terorist thing wouldn't have started if USA haven't attcked Iraq for the oil. And why when peps fight for there country there automaticly terroristes. USA and Israel killed hundreds of peps and muslims (plenstine,libanon,iraq and afganistan) there the terroristes they started every thing and they seriouslt found a stupid reson to attck libanon. OMG they captured 2 isralien soliders so we must bomb the whole freackin country! NO! that's stupid! and guys what's that prob with and muslims? they didn't do any shit there the ones who are loosing there kids and family because the gouverments can't stop the stupid war... it's unfair and useless wars don't solve anything.
2006-07-22 09:09:26
|AIA| DAS
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jonsimon wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Yeah, and I specifically referred to the occupation, so it looks like you just agreed with me. And don't give me "you lose for evading" I've seen you change topics suddenly without counterpoints.
*Yawns*
"Enemy traffic cone, Spotted"

EVADING!
Except I adressed your point, which makes you the evader. And as for the 6 year interim, Israel has held a number of Lebannese prisoners which it promised to release in a deal it cut with lebannon. They're still in prison.
NO!, My question was How has Israel opressed Lebanon in the 6 years after pulling out.

Israel pulled out of Lebanon in accordance with Un Resolution 425.  No Where in that resolution does it state Israel is to return any prisoners to Lebanon.

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2006-07-22 09:09:47
Bubbalo
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

more human killing projectiles.
Uh......no.  The Geneva convention technically outlaws, among other things, shotguns.  Why?  Because steel shot is more likely to maim than kill.
2006-07-22 09:11:35
|AIA| DAS
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hasnol963 wrote:

Guys...Wth is your probleme the stupid israliens made the iran and syrian thing up just to find a reson to attck libanon and then syria these guys are stupid and i'm actualy proud of hizboullah cus there actualy fighting for there country not like the stupid americans who fight only for money. this whole terorist thing wouldn't have started if USA haven't attcked Iraq for the oil. And why when peps fight for there country there automaticly terroristes. USA and Israel killed hundreds of peps and muslims (plenstine,libanon,iraq and afganistan) there the terroristes they started every thing and they seriouslt found a stupid reson to attck libanon. OMG they captured 2 isralien soliders so we must bomb the whole freackin country! NO! that's stupid! and guys what's that prob with and muslims? they didn't do any shit there the ones who are loosing there kids and family because the gouverments can't stop the stupid war... it's unfair and useless wars don't solve anything.
https://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n191/AIADAS/not_this_shit_again.jpg

This is not a bash America thread...
2006-07-22 09:13:07
hasnol963
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I was talking about america and israel....
2006-07-22 09:14:03
jonsimon
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:


*Yawns*
"Enemy traffic cone, Spotted"

EVADING!
Except I adressed your point, which makes you the evader. And as for the 6 year interim, Israel has held a number of Lebannese prisoners which it promised to release in a deal it cut with lebannon. They're still in prison.
NO!, My question was How has Israel opressed Lebanon in the 6 years after pulling out.

Israel pulled out of Lebanon in accordance with Un Resolution 425.  No Where in that resolution does it state Israel is to return any prisoners to Lebanon.
It wasn't a UN resolution, it was a deal cut between the countries, they would exchange prisoners, but the lebannese prisoners were never released.
2006-07-22 09:24:28
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jonsimon wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Except I adressed your point, which makes you the evader. And as for the 6 year interim, Israel has held a number of Lebannese prisoners which it promised to release in a deal it cut with lebannon. They're still in prison.
NO!, My question was How has Israel opressed Lebanon in the 6 years after pulling out.

Israel pulled out of Lebanon in accordance with Un Resolution 425.  No Where in that resolution does it state Israel is to return any prisoners to Lebanon.
It wasn't a UN resolution, it was a deal cut between the countries, they would exchange prisoners, but the lebannese prisoners were never released.
Ohh Super Secret backdoor agreements, Intresting...
https://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n191/AIADAS/cuckoo.gif

I don't think that classifies as Opressing all Lebanese Peoples.
2006-07-22 10:03:41
jonsimon
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:


NO!, My question was How has Israel opressed Lebanon in the 6 years after pulling out.

Israel pulled out of Lebanon in accordance with Un Resolution 425.  No Where in that resolution does it state Israel is to return any prisoners to Lebanon.
It wasn't a UN resolution, it was a deal cut between the countries, they would exchange prisoners, but the lebannese prisoners were never released.
Ohh Super Secret backdoor agreements, Intresting...
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n191 … cuckoo.gif

I don't think that classifies as Opressing all Lebanese Peoples.
Now you're putting words in my mouth. I see you don't care about debate anymore, I'll let you be.
2006-07-22 10:11:02
oug
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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

In response to your original post, The Jews were the ones displaced, They got there RIGHTFUL land back. The Arabs Were the occupiers. According to the bible, the Jews were there first. I dont think the Rest of the world would have annihilated Israel if the US didnt back them, Maybe Uncompromising Arab states might have, but there ARE countries that do Understand Israel has a right to exist on there Own ancestral lands.
The Jews were not there first etc etc. Like others said, no point in giving history lessons here. Study for yourself next time. No use for repetition.

But since you are so righteous in nature and you are fighting so that the Israelis have a place to live, what do you have to say about the Kurds?

Why are all these people living in Turkey, Iran and Iraq? Why doesn't anyone fight so they can get Kurdistan back? Why did Mossad capture their leader Abdulah Ochalan? Even though they have massive numbers in Turkey, their political party was ruled out of the parliament. Since then they have virtually no political rights, and the Turkish government is slaying them every chance they get.

Why doesn't the US aid them (like you aid Israel) in their effort to acquire their land back? Then again, the Turkish Government is your little puppy, and will soon be a thorn within the EU. Wouldn't want to ruin that over some camel fuckers...
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2006-07-22 10:18:49
golgoj4
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This is dumb.

The people pof lebanon get what was coming. You know Israel isnt fucking around...so why let hezbolla exist and threaten the security of the state? Its called lack of political will. Now that the leaders of Hezbolla and Lebanon have blood on their hands maybe they will get their shit together and start acting civilized as opposed to this bullshit.

BTW, no i dont like bombing kids, hell Im against the notion of the creation of Israel in the 1st place cause even tbough it was 'theirs'. But the fact is they exist now and in quite the hostile area of the world. So to fault them is IMO is wrong. They are just maintaing the precedent that fucking with Israel has consequences. Which the arab world knows yet they continue to embark upon this bullshit.

None of its good and I hope it ends soon...
2006-07-22 10:43:31
Kmar
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hasnol963 wrote:

Guys...Wth is your probleme the stupid israliens made the iran and syrian thing up just to find a reson to attck libanon and then syria these guys are stupid and i'm actualy proud of hizboullah cus there actualy fighting for there country not like the stupid americans who fight only for money. this whole terorist thing wouldn't have started if USA haven't attcked Iraq for the oil. And why when peps fight for there country there automaticly terroristes. USA and Israel killed hundreds of peps and muslims (plenstine,libanon,iraq and afganistan) there the terroristes they started every thing and they seriouslt found a stupid reson to attck libanon. OMG they captured 2 isralien soliders so we must bomb the whole freackin country! NO! that's stupid! and guys what's that prob with and muslims? they didn't do any shit there the ones who are loosing there kids and family because the gouverments can't stop the stupid war... it's unfair and useless wars don't solve anything.
Wars are not fair.
"Iranian thing made up"?
Um their (Iranian) names are pretty much written on the missiles they shot into Israel.

"Iraq for oil"
Have you seen the price of oil these days?

"OMG they captured 2 Israeli soldiers."
And I guess they are supposed to wait until the entire military is abducted or allow them to keep shooting missiles into their 3rd largest city.

"And why when peps fight for there country there automatically terrorists"
They target and try to kill innocents while hiding behind them. Lebanon is not "their country". They would get rid of them if we had a UN with some balls.

"didn't do any shit there the ones who are loosing there kids"
Didn't do shit? This one doesn't even deserve a response, check the news every once and awhile

You know there are plenty of people who have somewhat the same opinion as you but they make a sensible argument. Yours need a lot of help. Stuff like "I am proud of Hezzbalah" is just insane. I hope you do realize that pretty much the entire world regards them as terrorist. Maybe you should think about what you are proud of. I understand what Israel is doing, in no manner am I proud of it.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-07-22 11:10:07
rawls2
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Bubbalo wrote:

What are you on?  The overall mass of the ball bearings may be greater, but that isn't to do with size but with shape.  And greater mass doesn't mean it's worse.  How does that work?
Getting shot with a ping pong ball traveling at 3500 ft/sec as opposed to bieng  shot with a bowling ball at 3500 feet/sec. What would you rather have happen to you?

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2006-07-22 11:16:03
Spearhead
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2006-07-22 11:18:38
negolien
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The nail thing is interesting topic. I would say it falls into the Flechette catagory. Someone got it pretty right above. Stuff like Flechettes and Napalm are considered "Cruel" in warfare /shrug go figure it is war after all  but.. we still use stuff like that just  named other stuff lol so whatever BTW shotguns are not banned as small arms in combat.

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