you are starting to become more rational, i take back the part about being the same species as u. i hav nothing against ur faith, in fact Christianity is one of the great faiths, i just think that u should b more acceptant of the other faiths, Islam is not a lesser faith, it is equal in every way, and derived from the same faith as Christianity.rawls2 wrote:
Its sarcasm with a bit of truth. The sarcasm comes from reading posts from people who assume they know what is wrong with the world. They assume they know who is right or wrong based on what they see on TV or read on the internet. I was raised Christian and have seen Christ active in my life and I dont beleive what islam preaches (even though it mirrors what i beleive there are distinct differences). So in conclusion, I side with Israel on this conflict.Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:
well unless that post about rawls was sacastic, then i dont know what the hell ur talking about, he thinks that we are all going to hell, simply because of diversity. it is people like him that provoke these kind of conflicts in the first place, through their close mindedness and unacceptance of anyone elses religion. he is ignorant and i am ashamed to be of the same species as him.
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Wait a minute, I see...spray_and_pray wrote:
You really think me underlining how hypocritical people are in this thread doesnt belong here? Read it from beggining to end and youll see|AIA| DAS wrote:
What are you on about, git?spray_and_pray wrote:
Tell me then man what is the difference if your country gets mortar attacked and if a plane flies into your countries capital buildings? A few more dead people? Does it give America the right to go and perform mass genocide and radiate a huge area killing innocents in a war which has claimed 2000 of their own troops for what? No one feels safer now the chances of a terrorist attack are higher then ever and your president speaks a lot of bull trying to re assure you. I cannot beleive the stupidity of some of the people on here thinking what your country does is right but when another country does the same thing its wrong. Do you know the intentional bombing of civilian targets its used by America? It supposedly decreases moral of the enemy? Does it really? It seems that it just pisses off more people. What you think America was attacked for fun? America has been killing civilians and performing genocide in the area of the middle east for years. I was in the Balkan conflict and i was there during the bombings of Belgrade. Where the US was intentionally bombing civilians and power stations. How can you justify that the War was in Kosovo and the borders between Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia and yet you bomb a city hundreds of kilometres away from the war zone. Bombing bridges to cut supply CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT? CAN YOU? Bombing of a bus full of civilians? Bombing a power station which is in no way related to the military since the military has generators of its own? Wonder why the US isn't doing jack all cause the US does the same thing. What Israel has done and is doing is nothing different from what the US has done. The US and British were the only ones to drop bombs on civilian targets in the Balkan conflict the Balkan conflict was not an attack on the US but a civil war. You call your army peace keepers? Think about it hypocrites.
Right Forum, Wrong Post. You need a hug?
Nope still doesn't belong here.
Save your "I hate Americans" spiel for a different thread.
This has digressed, and for that I am sorry. This is something I am passionate about. I am not bashing the faith; believe whatever you want, as long as it does no harm to those around you.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Hey Ken, can you try to have a debate without belittling someone? The other people in this forum are intitled to their opinions as well as you are. Don't bash someone of faith, just because you don't have any. This thread asked a simple question, and we are getting off, way off subject here. Don't bash because their beliefs are not yours.
Posters making fun of other posters, cause they believe in a power greater than themselves. Harsh, do you guys who don't believe in anything no for fact that their opinions are wrong? No.
BTW Point of order, earlier in this thread you called Rawls an ignorant bigot and a racist. If the debate gets heated that's no reason to start name calling, for example, If I were to say you were an agnostic liberal socialist tree hugger, that would be wrong.
Let's keep it civil people.
Sorry for the rant...
I am not dogging the religion, just the rationality and justifications he uses. It is absurd, and ignorant. Saying that if you don't believe what I believe you go to hell is ignorant and bigoted. I never called him a racist, just a bigot, which he has proven that he is. He is intolerant, claiming to believe in a religion that preaches tolerance. I am calling it like I see it.
The thing is, I have no problem with you calling me an agnostic liberal socialist tree hugger. Atheist, yes. Liberal, sometimes (you say it as if its a bad thing). Socialist, somewhat. Tree hugger, hmm can't remember hugging any trees lately, I'll get back to you on that one. Seriously though, when I read that I started laughing.
Back to the question at hand...Do you or do you not condone the killing of Lebanese civilians by Israel (the Israeli Government and Armed Forces)? Why or why not (just like the essay questions you had when you were in school)?
Ok Ken-J, What would have been an appropriate response for Israel regarding a Hezbollah raid into Israeli territory and capture of two soldiers? What could Israel of done? What?
Take out Hezbollah!rawls2 wrote:
Ok Ken-J, What would have been an appropriate response for Israel regarding a Hezbollah raid into Israeli territory and capture of two soldiers? What could Israel of done? What?
If they can't disseminate between civilians and Hezbollah, put pressure on Lebanon to pressure Hezbollah. Offer assistance.
Go to the U.N.
Use the international forum to ask for assistance
Use the international forum to apply political and economic pressure on Lebanon.
What not to do-
Indiscriminately bomb milk factories, importers of sundries, kill civilians
Invoke religion in justifying it.
One could argue very well that killing civilians in response to a kidnapping would breed more terrorists.
You are correct sir, you never called him a racist that was someone else, I retract that part of the statement. Carry on.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
This has digressed, and for that I am sorry. This is something I am passionate about. I am not bashing the faith; believe whatever you want, as long as it does no harm to those around you.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Hey Ken, can you try to have a debate without belittling someone? The other people in this forum are intitled to their opinions as well as you are. Don't bash someone of faith, just because you don't have any. This thread asked a simple question, and we are getting off, way off subject here. Don't bash because their beliefs are not yours.
Posters making fun of other posters, cause they believe in a power greater than themselves. Harsh, do you guys who don't believe in anything no for fact that their opinions are wrong? No.
BTW Point of order, earlier in this thread you called Rawls an ignorant bigot and a racist. If the debate gets heated that's no reason to start name calling, for example, If I were to say you were an agnostic liberal socialist tree hugger, that would be wrong.
Let's keep it civil people.
Sorry for the rant...
I am not dogging the religion, just the rationality and justifications he uses. It is absurd, and ignorant. Saying that if you don't believe what I believe you go to hell is ignorant and bigoted. I never called him a racist, just a bigot, which he has proven that he is. He is intolerant, claiming to believe in a religion that preaches tolerance. I am calling it like I see it.
The thing is, I have no problem with you calling me an agnostic liberal socialist tree hugger. Atheist, yes. Liberal, sometimes (you say it as if its a bad thing). Socialist, somewhat. Tree hugger, hmm can't remember hugging any trees lately, I'll get back to you on that one. Seriously though, when I read that I started laughing.
Back to the question at hand...Do you or do you not condone the killing of Lebanese civilians by Israel (the Israeli Government and Armed Forces)? Why or why not (just like the essay questions you had when you were in school)?
Excellent suggestions. However, all of that has been tried. Didn't work. What else?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Take out Hezbollah!rawls2 wrote:
Ok Ken-J, What would have been an appropriate response for Israel regarding a Hezbollah raid into Israeli territory and capture of two soldiers? What could Israel of done? What?
If they can't disseminate between civilians and Hezbollah, put pressure on Lebanon to pressure Hezbollah. Offer assistance.
Go to the U.N.
Use the international forum to ask for assistance
Use the international forum to apply political and economic pressure on Lebanon.
What not to do-
Indiscriminately bomb milk factories, importers of sundries, kill civilians
Invoke religion in justifying it.
One could argue very well that killing civilians in response to a kidnapping would breed more terrorists.
Last edited by rawls2 (2006-07-21 15:44:35)
You win! Kill 'em all. Women, children, old folks! Kill 'em all!rawls2 wrote:
All of that has been tried. Didn't work. What else?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Take out Hezbollah!rawls2 wrote:
Ok Ken-J, What would have been an appropriate response for Israel regarding a Hezbollah raid into Israeli territory and capture of two soldiers? What could Israel of done? What?
If they can't disseminate between civilians and Hezbollah, put pressure on Lebanon to pressure Hezbollah. Offer assistance.
Go to the U.N.
Use the international forum to ask for assistance
Use the international forum to apply political and economic pressure on Lebanon.
What not to do-
Indiscriminately bomb milk factories, importers of sundries, kill civilians
Invoke religion in justifying it.
One could argue very well that killing civilians in response to a kidnapping would breed more terrorists.
edit: no, it hasn't been done. Thank you for dismissing an actual solution with one sentence. I already know where you stand on this particular topic, and as I said before, you are ignorant and a bigot. I don't like to call names and demean people, but in your case I can make an exception. Bring up any intelligent reasoning instead of your fundamentalist Christian thought, and I will consider it.
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-07-21 15:47:18)
Everything you mentioned has been tried. Everything.
Ken Jenning's suggestions -
"Take out Hezbollah!
If they can't disseminate between civilians and Hezbollah, put pressure on Lebanon to pressure Hezbollah. Offer assistance.
Go to the U.N.
Use the international forum to ask for assistance
Use the international forum to apply political and economic pressure on Lebanon."
Anybody else out there agree with me? Sanctions, diplomacy, assistance....it has been tried. It really has. Come on Ken dont give up so easy. What else could you come up with?
BTW- your first suggestion is exactly what israel is trying to do. How can you take out Hezbollah with out affecting a single civilian? Thats question two for you.
Ken Jenning's suggestions -
"Take out Hezbollah!
If they can't disseminate between civilians and Hezbollah, put pressure on Lebanon to pressure Hezbollah. Offer assistance.
Go to the U.N.
Use the international forum to ask for assistance
Use the international forum to apply political and economic pressure on Lebanon."
Anybody else out there agree with me? Sanctions, diplomacy, assistance....it has been tried. It really has. Come on Ken dont give up so easy. What else could you come up with?
BTW- your first suggestion is exactly what israel is trying to do. How can you take out Hezbollah with out affecting a single civilian? Thats question two for you.
Last edited by rawls2 (2006-07-21 16:21:26)
Israel lived up to NONE of it. They have broken every law, thumbed their nose at the UN and the world, and continue their Zionist agenda. If they didn't have the backing of the U.S. do you think there would be an Israel? I don't, the rest of the world would have annihalated them...rawls2 wrote:
Everything you mentioned has been tried. Everything.
Ken Jenning's suggestions -
"Take out Hezbollah!
If they can't disseminate between civilians and Hezbollah, put pressure on Lebanon to pressure Hezbollah. Offer assistance.
Go to the U.N.
Use the international forum to ask for assistance
Use the international forum to apply political and economic pressure on Lebanon."
Anybody else out there agree with me? Sanctions, diplomacy, assistance....it has been tried. It really has. Come on Ken dont give up so easy. What else could you come up with?
Get a clue, Israel doesn't give a rat's ass about the UN, they never think anything through, all they do is kill civilians and take their land/water/resources...
Psh, who cares about the dutch. And as far as the EU, the same article in wikipedia explicitly states the EU does not consider hizbollah a terrorist organization.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Rest of the world huh?jonsimon wrote:
That's the point. They aren't a terrorist organization. They begain as freedom fighters rebelling against Israel occupation. They evolved into a legitimate government party that provides many public services to the lebannese people. Yes, the fact remains that they still posess as military division which still fights Israeli oppression of both the palestinians and the lebannese, but they are not a terrorist organization. In fact, there are only four countries that consider them a terrorist organization, the US, the UK, Canada, and of course, Israel. The rest of the world sees hezbollah as a legitimate governmental party.|AIA| DAS wrote:
OMFG READ!!!!!!
I CLEARLY stated it was another reason for lessening of civilian deaths!!!!!
"Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919"
Oh, Ok, Since they run hospitals and schools that makes them an A-OK terrorist organization...LOL
In 2004 the Dutch internal security agency AIVD, concluded:
"Investigations have shown that Hezbollah’s militant wing, the Hezbollah External Security Organization, has been directly and indirectly involved in terrorist acts. It can also be concluded that Hezbollah’s political and terrorist wings are controlled by one coordinating council. This means that there is indeed a link between these parts of the organization. The Netherlands has changed its policy and no longer makes a distinction between the political and terrorist Hezbollah branches. The Netherlands informed the relevant EU bodies of its findings."[78]
Quoted from...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah
The Dutch are in the EU... Right? BTW that study was done after Israel left Lebanon.
Please explain how Israel has been "Opressing the Lebanese" before this latest action.
How about, Israel illegally occupied much of southern lebannon for 80 years and sparked the lebannese civil war? Then Israel allegedly pulled out for 6 years before invading again today?
Thank you for responding but the question wasnt answered. Ok ill ask you. What would have been an appropriate response from Israel regarding the kidnapping of two soldiers?HM1{N} wrote:
Israel lived up to NONE of it. They have broken every law, thumbed their nose at the UN and the world, and continue their Zionist agenda. If they didn't have the backing of the U.S. do you think there would be an Israel? I don't, the rest of the world would have annihalated them...rawls2 wrote:
Everything you mentioned has been tried. Everything.
Ken Jenning's suggestions -
"Take out Hezbollah!
If they can't disseminate between civilians and Hezbollah, put pressure on Lebanon to pressure Hezbollah. Offer assistance.
Go to the U.N.
Use the international forum to ask for assistance
Use the international forum to apply political and economic pressure on Lebanon."
Anybody else out there agree with me? Sanctions, diplomacy, assistance....it has been tried. It really has. Come on Ken dont give up so easy. What else could you come up with?
Get a clue, Israel doesn't give a rat's ass about the UN, they never think anything through, all they do is kill civilians and take their land/water/resources...
How about Lebanon not being able to secure their own territory and insure that terrorists, such as Hezbollah, can not use their own country for the staging of terrorist attacks. Lebanon should have sent their own troops to the south to secure the area or asked for more UN forces. Now Israel will have to clear the area out for them.jonsimon wrote:
Psh, who cares about the dutch. And as far as the EU, the same article in wikipedia explicitly states the EU does not consider hizbollah a terrorist organization.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Rest of the world huh?jonsimon wrote:
That's the point. They aren't a terrorist organization. They begain as freedom fighters rebelling against Israel occupation. They evolved into a legitimate government party that provides many public services to the lebannese people. Yes, the fact remains that they still posess as military division which still fights Israeli oppression of both the palestinians and the lebannese, but they are not a terrorist organization. In fact, there are only four countries that consider them a terrorist organization, the US, the UK, Canada, and of course, Israel. The rest of the world sees hezbollah as a legitimate governmental party.
In 2004 the Dutch internal security agency AIVD, concluded:
"Investigations have shown that Hezbollah’s militant wing, the Hezbollah External Security Organization, has been directly and indirectly involved in terrorist acts. It can also be concluded that Hezbollah’s political and terrorist wings are controlled by one coordinating council. This means that there is indeed a link between these parts of the organization. The Netherlands has changed its policy and no longer makes a distinction between the political and terrorist Hezbollah branches. The Netherlands informed the relevant EU bodies of its findings."[78]
Quoted from...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah
The Dutch are in the EU... Right? BTW that study was done after Israel left Lebanon.
Please explain how Israel has been "Opressing the Lebanese" before this latest action.
How about, Israel illegally occupied much of southern lebannon for 80 years and sparked the lebannese civil war? Then Israel allegedly pulled out for 6 years before invading again today?
What he said:
"Fuck the Us and its allies. Long live Hezbollah, Long live AlQaeda, Long live Hamas, Long live the IRA, long live the PLO, long live jihadist all over the world!!!!!!
LILILILILILILILI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What he meant:HM1{N} wrote:
Israel lived up to NONE of it. They have broken every law, thumbed their nose at the UN and the world, and continue their Zionist agenda. If they didn't have the backing of the U.S. do you think there would be an Israel? I don't, the rest of the world would have annihalated them...
Get a clue, Israel doesn't give a rat's ass about the UN, they never think anything through, all they do is kill civilians and take their land/water/resources...
"Fuck the Us and its allies. Long live Hezbollah, Long live AlQaeda, Long live Hamas, Long live the IRA, long live the PLO, long live jihadist all over the world!!!!!!
LILILILILILILILI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You people are so hard-headed. Lebannon cannot remove hizbollah because HIZBOLLAH IS PART OF THE NATIONSTATE LEBANNON. Besides, it was Israeli occupation that inspired hizbollah, Israel is the indirect cause of hizbollah!-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
How about Lebanon not being able to secure their own territory and insure that terrorists, such as Hezbollah, can not use their own country for the staging of terrorist attacks. Lebanon should have sent their own troops to the south to secure the area or asked for more UN forces. Now Israel will have to clear the area out for them.jonsimon wrote:
Psh, who cares about the dutch. And as far as the EU, the same article in wikipedia explicitly states the EU does not consider hizbollah a terrorist organization.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Rest of the world huh?
In 2004 the Dutch internal security agency AIVD, concluded:
"Investigations have shown that Hezbollah’s militant wing, the Hezbollah External Security Organization, has been directly and indirectly involved in terrorist acts. It can also be concluded that Hezbollah’s political and terrorist wings are controlled by one coordinating council. This means that there is indeed a link between these parts of the organization. The Netherlands has changed its policy and no longer makes a distinction between the political and terrorist Hezbollah branches. The Netherlands informed the relevant EU bodies of its findings."[78]
Quoted from...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah
The Dutch are in the EU... Right? BTW that study was done after Israel left Lebanon.
Please explain how Israel has been "Opressing the Lebanese" before this latest action.
How about, Israel illegally occupied much of southern lebannon for 80 years and sparked the lebannese civil war? Then Israel allegedly pulled out for 6 years before invading again today?
Allegedy pulled out? What do you think they were there the whole time? The "opression" I am asking about is during the interem after they pulled out till now...jonsimon wrote:
Psh, who cares about the dutch. And as far as the EU, the same article in wikipedia explicitly states the EU does not consider hizbollah a terrorist organization.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Rest of the world huh?jonsimon wrote:
That's the point. They aren't a terrorist organization. They begain as freedom fighters rebelling against Israel occupation. They evolved into a legitimate government party that provides many public services to the lebannese people. Yes, the fact remains that they still posess as military division which still fights Israeli oppression of both the palestinians and the lebannese, but they are not a terrorist organization. In fact, there are only four countries that consider them a terrorist organization, the US, the UK, Canada, and of course, Israel. The rest of the world sees hezbollah as a legitimate governmental party.
In 2004 the Dutch internal security agency AIVD, concluded:
"Investigations have shown that Hezbollah’s militant wing, the Hezbollah External Security Organization, has been directly and indirectly involved in terrorist acts. It can also be concluded that Hezbollah’s political and terrorist wings are controlled by one coordinating council. This means that there is indeed a link between these parts of the organization. The Netherlands has changed its policy and no longer makes a distinction between the political and terrorist Hezbollah branches. The Netherlands informed the relevant EU bodies of its findings."[78]
Quoted from...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah
The Dutch are in the EU... Right? BTW that study was done after Israel left Lebanon.
Please explain how Israel has been "Opressing the Lebanese" before this latest action.
How about, Israel illegally occupied much of southern lebannon for 80 years and sparked the lebannese civil war? Then Israel allegedly pulled out for 6 years before invading again today?
No it hasn't. No one will agree with you, because you can't just pull something out of your ass and say that they have done it. Israel is anti-UN, based on past and present actions. Now (within the last dew days) Israel says it is willing to negotiate-while in the same breath insisting that the attacks will go on for weeks.rawls2 wrote:
Anybody else out there agree with me? Sanctions, diplomacy, assistance....it has been tried. It really has. Come on Ken dont give up so easy. What else could you come up with?
BTW- your first suggestion is exactly what israel is trying to do. How can you take out Hezbollah with out affecting a single civilian? Thats question two for you.
They aren't trying to take out Hezbollah! What does Hezbollah have to do with bombing a milk-processing plant, or the building that houses an importer of Proctor&Gamble sundries? Look at the casualties. I go off of action, not words. Over 240 civilians dead. Can you find a number on suspected terrorists, dead? And please don't use the argument that the civilians could be terrorists. 4 year-old children hardly have the developed mind to even understand what is going on.
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-07-21 16:40:16)
Lebanon has a democraticaly elected government. Hezbollah is a small part of it holding 23 chairs in a parliment of 128.jonsimon wrote:
You people are so hard-headed. Lebannon cannot remove hizbollah because HIZBOLLAH IS PART OF THE NATIONSTATE LEBANNON. Besides, it was Israeli occupation that inspired hizbollah, Israel is the indirect cause of hizbollah!-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
How about Lebanon not being able to secure their own territory and insure that terrorists, such as Hezbollah, can not use their own country for the staging of terrorist attacks. Lebanon should have sent their own troops to the south to secure the area or asked for more UN forces. Now Israel will have to clear the area out for them.jonsimon wrote:
Psh, who cares about the dutch. And as far as the EU, the same article in wikipedia explicitly states the EU does not consider hizbollah a terrorist organization.
How about, Israel illegally occupied much of southern lebannon for 80 years and sparked the lebannese civil war? Then Israel allegedly pulled out for 6 years before invading again today?
You live in orange county california. Sunny today and hot, right? How the fuck do you know whats going on over there if your here in California. What the fuck are you pulling out of your ass cuz it sure as hell dont smell like truth!!!!KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No it hasn't. No one will agree with you, because you can't just pull something out of your ass and say that they have done it. Israel is anti-UN, based on past and present actions. Now (within the last dew days) Israel says it is willing to negotiate-while in the same breath insisting that the attacks will go on for weeks.rawls2 wrote:
Anybody else out there agree with me? Sanctions, diplomacy, assistance....it has been tried. It really has. Come on Ken dont give up so easy. What else could you come up with?
BTW- your first suggestion is exactly what israel is trying to do. How can you take out Hezbollah with out affecting a single civilian? Thats question two for you.
They aren't trying to take out Hezbollah! What does Hezbollah have to do with bombing a milk-processing plant, or the building that houses an importer of Proctor&Gamble sundries? Look at the casualties. I go off of action, not words. Over 240 civilians dead. Can you find a number on suspected terrorists, dead? And please don't use the argument that the civilians could be terrorists. 4 year-old children hardly have the developed mind to even understand what is going on.
Ive been there mate. I have talked to both Palestinians and Israelis. I have been to Beruit, and Jerusalem. I have a degree in International Relations, currently pursuing my MA. I tend to read up on international affairs. I believe this makes me informed enough about the topic to make assessments.
Yes, it is very hot and very sunny, enough to make any mortal miserable. Add that with the frustration of this thread and the fact that my car was stolen last night, and you may understand why I am a bit cranky today.
Yes, it is very hot and very sunny, enough to make any mortal miserable. Add that with the frustration of this thread and the fact that my car was stolen last night, and you may understand why I am a bit cranky today.
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-07-21 16:47:40)
Thats sucks dude, my car was stolen in December. Feels like you got butt raped, know the feeling.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Ive been there mate. I have talked to both Palestinians and Israelis. I have been to Beruit, and Jerusalem. I have a degree in International Relations, currently pursuing my MA. I tend to read up on international affairs. I believe this makes me informed enough about the topic to make assessments.
Yes, it is very hot and very sunny, enough to make any mortal miserable. Add that with the frustration of this thread and the fact that my car was stolen last night, and you may understand why I am a bit cranky today.
Im stuck at work and have a date in .....well Im supposed to be on it already, so im cranky too. I still have to disagree with you on this subject even though it sounds like your highly educated and well traveled. Im never going to agree with Islamist or anti-zionists. We can agree to disgree. Peace out all.
What does the interim have to do with anything?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Allegedy pulled out? What do you think they were there the whole time? The "opression" I am asking about is during the interem after they pulled out till now...jonsimon wrote:
Psh, who cares about the dutch. And as far as the EU, the same article in wikipedia explicitly states the EU does not consider hizbollah a terrorist organization.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Rest of the world huh?
In 2004 the Dutch internal security agency AIVD, concluded:
"Investigations have shown that Hezbollah’s militant wing, the Hezbollah External Security Organization, has been directly and indirectly involved in terrorist acts. It can also be concluded that Hezbollah’s political and terrorist wings are controlled by one coordinating council. This means that there is indeed a link between these parts of the organization. The Netherlands has changed its policy and no longer makes a distinction between the political and terrorist Hezbollah branches. The Netherlands informed the relevant EU bodies of its findings."[78]
Quoted from...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah
The Dutch are in the EU... Right? BTW that study was done after Israel left Lebanon.
Please explain how Israel has been "Opressing the Lebanese" before this latest action.
How about, Israel illegally occupied much of southern lebannon for 80 years and sparked the lebannese civil war? Then Israel allegedly pulled out for 6 years before invading again today?
It has everything to do with the current problem. Israel pulled out and Lebanon left the area to be occupied by Hezbollah. Lebanon cant even control its own territory so I think its a joke that they are going to attempt and fight Israel if there is an invasion.jonsimon wrote:
What does the interim have to do with anything?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Allegedy pulled out? What do you think they were there the whole time? The "opression" I am asking about is during the interem after they pulled out till now...jonsimon wrote:
Psh, who cares about the dutch. And as far as the EU, the same article in wikipedia explicitly states the EU does not consider hizbollah a terrorist organization.
How about, Israel illegally occupied much of southern lebannon for 80 years and sparked the lebannese civil war? Then Israel allegedly pulled out for 6 years before invading again today?
Get your facts right before you post ****.CameronPoe wrote:
My post isn't a pro-islam post - it's an anti-israel post.delta4bravo*nl* wrote:
Im sick of crazy muslims, nuke em all.
Southern lebannon was not militarily occupied by hezbollah, however, it was occupied by the lebannese populace which supported hezbollah. This is greatly different. As I keep saying, Lebannon cannot control hezbollah, because hezbollah is a legitimate part of Lebannon.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
It has everything to do with the current problem. Israel pulled out and Lebanon left the area to be occupied by Hezbollah. Lebanon cant even control its own territory so I think its a joke that they are going to attempt and fight Israel if there is an invasion.jonsimon wrote:
What does the interim have to do with anything?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Allegedy pulled out? What do you think they were there the whole time? The "opression" I am asking about is during the interem after they pulled out till now...