I defer to your web-savvy-nessBubbalo wrote:
Wrong thread, actually. Forum is Debate and Serious Talk, thread is Israeli Heavy-Handedness.
This proves without a shadow of a doubt you are smarter that most of us in this forum.rawls wrote:
A big collusion of all the Gods is what you all want. Sorry it doesnt work that way. They may have come from the same father but not the same mother. Jesus was legitimat and Muhamed was not. And if I dont spell muhamed right who gives a shit. I know Christians have it right. We have prospered while the muslims have suffered. Those who stopped beleiving in God will soon see their suffering come to bear and Ill say I told you so!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I just watched "The O'Reilly Factor" with this dude who was pretty much calling anyone who disagrees with Israels actions an anti-semitist. ROFL! Fox news is a joke.
Last edited by Spearhead (2006-07-21 08:13:59)
HAH Advanced weaponry, that's a good one. You obviously don't know anything about modern weaponry. Modern weapons are about hitting targets and doing as much damage as possible, not about identifying the correct target or precisely eliminating it. The Israelis are shouting that rockets come from lebannon because it gives them an excuse to invade again. And pinpointing houses? HAH if their weapons and sensors are so powerful, why not shoot down all the rockets as soon as they leave lebannon! Your ignorance is laughable.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Did you ACTUALLY read my post?jonsimon wrote:
Okay, for starters HEZBOLLAH IS LEBANNON. Hezbollah has two seperate wings! One is a civillian wing which controls positions in the lebanese parliament as well as provides and runs SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND NEWS SERVICES. The second wing of hezbollah is the defense wing. This part of hezbollah was founded for the precise reason of DRIVING ISRAEL OUT OF LEBANNON during their occupation from 1920-2000. This is the wing of hezbollah that acts as guerilla freedom fighters and has gained them the branding of terrorists among the US, Canada, the UK, and Israel. No other countries consider hezbollah a terrorist organization, however, the EU (european union) considers their head a terrorist. So, if Israel destroys hezbollah, they MUST DESTROY THE CIVILLIAB POPULACE as well as Lebannons government and the majority of their public services! Israel is waging a war on Lebannon when they wage a war on hezbollah.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Lebanon cannot control hizbollah? Um, here is an idea, ASK FOR HELP UN, US, UK, EU, PRC, Israel ask someone, they do have representation in the UN, and many embassies thoughout Lebanon, don't throw your hands up and say not my problem.
What about the innocent civilians being killed in Israel, do you disagree if hizbollah had more accurate weaponry the total civilian deaths in Israel would be larger? I'd be willing to wager if they had more accurate weaponry hizbollah would deliberately target civilians. If it's not happening now. I feel that any civilian life lost is precious, but I can assure you Israel is taking more steps to safeguard against killing civilians, than hizbollah.
As far as targeting citizens, the reported rocket strikes in Israel have all been in southern Israel primarily in the port city of Haifa, which is just across the border from the Gaza Strip which is full of OPRESSED PALESTINIANS. Is it more likely the inaccurate rockets came from lebannon ALL the way up north of Israel and someone managed to hit a major port city, or is it more likely the enraged palestinians right next door were firing them?
And how can you compare civillian deaths? Of all the rocket attacks the most any barrage killed was EIGHT PEOPLE. ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE, the majority of the attacks missing entirely. In one week Israel has killed upwards of THREE HUNDRED CIVILIANS. These numbers are not comparable in the least.
They know exactly where the rockets are being fired from. Their advanced weaponry has pinpointed where and they return fire on those locations, however those firing locations just happen to be placed in heavily civilian areas, by hizbollah design, to have more outrage from the world when civilians are killed in the process of destroying those firing positions. There is no guessing involved.
If you had read the post I mentioned that the only reason the civilian death toll in Israel is lower is because hizbollah's weapons are rudementary at best. Also Israel has early warning air raid systems in place so when the rockets do fall they go to the bomb shelters. But I guess that way they protect their citizens is Unfair to you. Take your ball and go home.
And stay away from what ifs and would bes. Whoever is firing the rockets obviously can't do anymore damage or chooses not to. Its a foolish argument to present "Well hezbollah would kill more civilians if they could!" Well they can't, so it doesn't matter! However, Israel can, AND THEY ARE. And that, sir, DOES matter, in a very big way.
You obviously don't understand the inaccuracy of rockets, the only thing guiding them is the tail fins, they have no internal guidence. I highly doubt someone firing a rocket in lebannon is going to consistently hit the same city on the other end of israel.
Your ignorance is sad, really.jonsimon wrote:
HAH Advanced weaponry, that's a good one. You obviously don't know anything about modern weaponry. Modern weapons are about hitting targets and doing as much damage as possible, not about identifying the correct target or precisely eliminating it. The Israelis are shouting that rockets come from lebannon because it gives them an excuse to invade again. And pinpointing houses? HAH if their weapons and sensors are so powerful, why not shoot down all the rockets as soon as they leave lebannon! Your ignorance is laughable.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Did you ACTUALLY read my post?jonsimon wrote:
Okay, for starters HEZBOLLAH IS LEBANNON. Hezbollah has two seperate wings! One is a civillian wing which controls positions in the lebanese parliament as well as provides and runs SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND NEWS SERVICES. The second wing of hezbollah is the defense wing. This part of hezbollah was founded for the precise reason of DRIVING ISRAEL OUT OF LEBANNON during their occupation from 1920-2000. This is the wing of hezbollah that acts as guerilla freedom fighters and has gained them the branding of terrorists among the US, Canada, the UK, and Israel. No other countries consider hezbollah a terrorist organization, however, the EU (european union) considers their head a terrorist. So, if Israel destroys hezbollah, they MUST DESTROY THE CIVILLIAB POPULACE as well as Lebannons government and the majority of their public services! Israel is waging a war on Lebannon when they wage a war on hezbollah.
As far as targeting citizens, the reported rocket strikes in Israel have all been in southern Israel primarily in the port city of Haifa, which is just across the border from the Gaza Strip which is full of OPRESSED PALESTINIANS. Is it more likely the inaccurate rockets came from lebannon ALL the way up north of Israel and someone managed to hit a major port city, or is it more likely the enraged palestinians right next door were firing them?
And how can you compare civillian deaths? Of all the rocket attacks the most any barrage killed was EIGHT PEOPLE. ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE, the majority of the attacks missing entirely. In one week Israel has killed upwards of THREE HUNDRED CIVILIANS. These numbers are not comparable in the least.
They know exactly where the rockets are being fired from. Their advanced weaponry has pinpointed where and they return fire on those locations, however those firing locations just happen to be placed in heavily civilian areas, by hizbollah design, to have more outrage from the world when civilians are killed in the process of destroying those firing positions. There is no guessing involved.
If you had read the post I mentioned that the only reason the civilian death toll in Israel is lower is because hizbollah's weapons are rudementary at best. Also Israel has early warning air raid systems in place so when the rockets do fall they go to the bomb shelters. But I guess that way they protect their citizens is Unfair to you. Take your ball and go home.
And stay away from what ifs and would bes. Whoever is firing the rockets obviously can't do anymore damage or chooses not to. Its a foolish argument to present "Well hezbollah would kill more civilians if they could!" Well they can't, so it doesn't matter! However, Israel can, AND THEY ARE. And that, sir, DOES matter, in a very big way.
You obviously don't understand the inaccuracy of rockets, the only thing guiding them is the tail fins, they have no internal guidence. I highly doubt someone firing a rocket in lebannon is going to consistently hit the same city on the other end of israel.
I feel sorry for you.
Here is info on missile guidance...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_guidance
Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Drones and spec ops paint lasers on targets for guidance. Also radar systems CAN pinpoint where projectiles are fired from.
As for the ifs and would bes, your response had more in them than mine.
Hizbollah is firing their rockets from positions next to hospitals, and schools, etc.
Your points are Moot.
rawls, i shant bother arguing any more with you, you are simply too close minded, u think that all other religions are wrong and u are a racist, i shall leave u to wallow in ur ignorance.rawls wrote:
A big collusion of all the Gods is what you all want. Sorry it doesnt work that way. They may have come from the same father but not the same mother. Jesus was legitimat and Muhamed was not. And if I dont spell muhamed right who gives a shit. I know Christians have it right. We have prospered while the muslims have suffered. Those who stopped beleiving in God will soon see their suffering come to bear and Ill say I told you so!
What's ironic is that, even if there is a heaven, he'll be going to hell. What would Jesus do? Hate everyone who disagrees with him? Ya, sure, LOL. This is why I think religion is so freakin stupid. Not all of it, but most of it is. Mass hypocrisy right under their nosesFld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:
rawls, i shant bother arguing any more with you, you are simply too close minded, u think that all other religions are wrong and u are a racist, i shall leave u to wallow in ur ignorance.rawls wrote:
A big collusion of all the Gods is what you all want. Sorry it doesnt work that way. They may have come from the same father but not the same mother. Jesus was legitimat and Muhamed was not. And if I dont spell muhamed right who gives a shit. I know Christians have it right. We have prospered while the muslims have suffered. Those who stopped beleiving in God will soon see their suffering come to bear and Ill say I told you so!
Your epidermis is showing. MISSILES ARE NOT ROCKETS. They are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. You show your ignorance in this subject by assuming they are the same. Missiles are rockets with guidence systems, ROCKETS are projectiles that propel themselves and DO NOT HAVE INTERNAL GUIDENCE SYSTEMS.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Your ignorance is sad, really.jonsimon wrote:
HAH Advanced weaponry, that's a good one. You obviously don't know anything about modern weaponry. Modern weapons are about hitting targets and doing as much damage as possible, not about identifying the correct target or precisely eliminating it. The Israelis are shouting that rockets come from lebannon because it gives them an excuse to invade again. And pinpointing houses? HAH if their weapons and sensors are so powerful, why not shoot down all the rockets as soon as they leave lebannon! Your ignorance is laughable.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Did you ACTUALLY read my post?
They know exactly where the rockets are being fired from. Their advanced weaponry has pinpointed where and they return fire on those locations, however those firing locations just happen to be placed in heavily civilian areas, by hizbollah design, to have more outrage from the world when civilians are killed in the process of destroying those firing positions. There is no guessing involved.
If you had read the post I mentioned that the only reason the civilian death toll in Israel is lower is because hizbollah's weapons are rudementary at best. Also Israel has early warning air raid systems in place so when the rockets do fall they go to the bomb shelters. But I guess that way they protect their citizens is Unfair to you. Take your ball and go home.
And stay away from what ifs and would bes. Whoever is firing the rockets obviously can't do anymore damage or chooses not to. Its a foolish argument to present "Well hezbollah would kill more civilians if they could!" Well they can't, so it doesn't matter! However, Israel can, AND THEY ARE. And that, sir, DOES matter, in a very big way.
You obviously don't understand the inaccuracy of rockets, the only thing guiding them is the tail fins, they have no internal guidence. I highly doubt someone firing a rocket in lebannon is going to consistently hit the same city on the other end of israel.
I feel sorry for you.
Here is info on missile guidance...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_guidance
Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Drones and spec ops paint lasers on targets for guidance. Also radar systems CAN pinpoint where projectiles are fired from.
As for the ifs and would bes, your response had more in them than mine.
Hizbollah is firing their rockets from positions next to hospitals, and schools, etc.
Your points are Moot.
From your own link: "whose goal is to quickly identify the area in which a missile will strike." This says nothing about finding the location from which the missile was fired. Radar can only approximate the position, not narrow it down to a certain building half a country away.
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Hezbollah isnt firing rockets from hospitals and schools, THEY RUN THE HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS. Hezbollah is a civillian and government organization as much as a military organization! Without hezbollah there may not be any hospitals or school to be bombed!
OMFG READ!!!!!!jonsimon wrote:
Your epidermis is showing. MISSILES ARE NOT ROCKETS. They are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. You show your ignorance in this subject by assuming they are the same. Missiles are rockets with guidence systems, ROCKETS are projectiles that propel themselves and DO NOT HAVE INTERNAL GUIDENCE SYSTEMS.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Your ignorance is sad, really.jonsimon wrote:
HAH Advanced weaponry, that's a good one. You obviously don't know anything about modern weaponry. Modern weapons are about hitting targets and doing as much damage as possible, not about identifying the correct target or precisely eliminating it. The Israelis are shouting that rockets come from lebannon because it gives them an excuse to invade again. And pinpointing houses? HAH if their weapons and sensors are so powerful, why not shoot down all the rockets as soon as they leave lebannon! Your ignorance is laughable.
And stay away from what ifs and would bes. Whoever is firing the rockets obviously can't do anymore damage or chooses not to. Its a foolish argument to present "Well hezbollah would kill more civilians if they could!" Well they can't, so it doesn't matter! However, Israel can, AND THEY ARE. And that, sir, DOES matter, in a very big way.
You obviously don't understand the inaccuracy of rockets, the only thing guiding them is the tail fins, they have no internal guidence. I highly doubt someone firing a rocket in lebannon is going to consistently hit the same city on the other end of israel.
I feel sorry for you.
Here is info on missile guidance...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_guidance
Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Drones and spec ops paint lasers on targets for guidance. Also radar systems CAN pinpoint where projectiles are fired from.
As for the ifs and would bes, your response had more in them than mine.
Hizbollah is firing their rockets from positions next to hospitals, and schools, etc.
Your points are Moot.
From your own link: "whose goal is to quickly identify the area in which a missile will strike." This says nothing about finding the location from which the missile was fired. Radar can only approximate the position, not narrow it down to a certain building half a country away.
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Hezbollah isnt firing rockets from hospitals and schools, THEY RUN THE HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS. Hezbollah is a civillian and government organization as much as a military organization! Without hezbollah there may not be any hospitals or school to be bombed!
I CLEARLY stated it was another reason for lessening of civilian deaths!!!!!
"Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919"
Oh, Ok, Since they run hospitals and schools that makes them an A-OK terrorist organization...LOL
That's the point. They aren't a terrorist organization. They begain as freedom fighters rebelling against Israel occupation. They evolved into a legitimate government party that provides many public services to the lebannese people. Yes, the fact remains that they still posess as military division which still fights Israeli oppression of both the palestinians and the lebannese, but they are not a terrorist organization. In fact, there are only four countries that consider them a terrorist organization, the US, the UK, Canada, and of course, Israel. The rest of the world sees hezbollah as a legitimate governmental party.|AIA| DAS wrote:
OMFG READ!!!!!!jonsimon wrote:
Your epidermis is showing. MISSILES ARE NOT ROCKETS. They are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. You show your ignorance in this subject by assuming they are the same. Missiles are rockets with guidence systems, ROCKETS are projectiles that propel themselves and DO NOT HAVE INTERNAL GUIDENCE SYSTEMS.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Your ignorance is sad, really.
I feel sorry for you.
Here is info on missile guidance...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_guidance
Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Drones and spec ops paint lasers on targets for guidance. Also radar systems CAN pinpoint where projectiles are fired from.
As for the ifs and would bes, your response had more in them than mine.
Hizbollah is firing their rockets from positions next to hospitals, and schools, etc.
Your points are Moot.
From your own link: "whose goal is to quickly identify the area in which a missile will strike." This says nothing about finding the location from which the missile was fired. Radar can only approximate the position, not narrow it down to a certain building half a country away.
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Hezbollah isnt firing rockets from hospitals and schools, THEY RUN THE HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS. Hezbollah is a civillian and government organization as much as a military organization! Without hezbollah there may not be any hospitals or school to be bombed!
I CLEARLY stated it was another reason for lessening of civilian deaths!!!!!
"Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919"
Oh, Ok, Since they run hospitals and schools that makes them an A-OK terrorist organization...LOL
Rest of the world huh?jonsimon wrote:
That's the point. They aren't a terrorist organization. They begain as freedom fighters rebelling against Israel occupation. They evolved into a legitimate government party that provides many public services to the lebannese people. Yes, the fact remains that they still posess as military division which still fights Israeli oppression of both the palestinians and the lebannese, but they are not a terrorist organization. In fact, there are only four countries that consider them a terrorist organization, the US, the UK, Canada, and of course, Israel. The rest of the world sees hezbollah as a legitimate governmental party.|AIA| DAS wrote:
OMFG READ!!!!!!jonsimon wrote:
Your epidermis is showing. MISSILES ARE NOT ROCKETS. They are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. You show your ignorance in this subject by assuming they are the same. Missiles are rockets with guidence systems, ROCKETS are projectiles that propel themselves and DO NOT HAVE INTERNAL GUIDENCE SYSTEMS.
From your own link: "whose goal is to quickly identify the area in which a missile will strike." This says nothing about finding the location from which the missile was fired. Radar can only approximate the position, not narrow it down to a certain building half a country away.
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919
Hezbollah isnt firing rockets from hospitals and schools, THEY RUN THE HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS. Hezbollah is a civillian and government organization as much as a military organization! Without hezbollah there may not be any hospitals or school to be bombed!
I CLEARLY stated it was another reason for lessening of civilian deaths!!!!!
"Another reason why there are fewer civilian deaths in Israel...
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage. … ject=22919"
Oh, Ok, Since they run hospitals and schools that makes them an A-OK terrorist organization...LOL
In 2004 the Dutch internal security agency AIVD, concluded:
"Investigations have shown that Hezbollah’s militant wing, the Hezbollah External Security Organization, has been directly and indirectly involved in terrorist acts. It can also be concluded that Hezbollah’s political and terrorist wings are controlled by one coordinating council. This means that there is indeed a link between these parts of the organization. The Netherlands has changed its policy and no longer makes a distinction between the political and terrorist Hezbollah branches. The Netherlands informed the relevant EU bodies of its findings."[78]
Quoted from...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizbollah
The Dutch are in the EU... Right? BTW that study was done after Israel left Lebanon.
Please explain how Israel has been "Opressing the Lebanese" before this latest action.
What he said was Europe has a long standing history of being anti-semitist. I can't say that I agree with him all or even most of the time so here is his what he touched on last night if you want to see for yourself.Spearhead wrote:
I just watched "The O'Reilly Factor" with this dude who was pretty much calling anyone who disagrees with Israels actions an anti-semitist. ROFL! Fox news is a joke.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPag … nch%20Page
You judge his comments.
I guess the question is "does either one of them want peace?". Does anyone not think Hezzbala would like to wipe the earth clean of Israel ? Has Israel shown alot of concern with collateral damage ? I have to think that if those terrorist were not using civilians both as human shields it would not be as bad. But back to Isreal , I think it takes more than leaflets falling from the sky to warn people of imminent bombing.
This could go back and forth. It's hard to defend any side when they are both showing little concern for innocent life.
I see little actual solutions in ANY post. Just a lot of what should not be happening.
Thats like a big duh IMHO. Perhaps another thread should be started with possible solutions and we can send some goverment a link to check it out..lol
I saw today that the UN peacekeepers were being evacuated, I thought that was pretty funny.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
You really think me underlining how hypocritical people are in this thread doesnt belong here? Read it from beggining to end and youll see|AIA| DAS wrote:
What are you on about, git?spray_and_pray wrote:
Tell me then man what is the difference if your country gets mortar attacked and if a plane flies into your countries capital buildings? A few more dead people? Does it give America the right to go and perform mass genocide and radiate a huge area killing innocents in a war which has claimed 2000 of their own troops for what? No one feels safer now the chances of a terrorist attack are higher then ever and your president speaks a lot of bull trying to re assure you. I cannot beleive the stupidity of some of the people on here thinking what your country does is right but when another country does the same thing its wrong. Do you know the intentional bombing of civilian targets its used by America? It supposedly decreases moral of the enemy? Does it really? It seems that it just pisses off more people. What you think America was attacked for fun? America has been killing civilians and performing genocide in the area of the middle east for years. I was in the Balkan conflict and i was there during the bombings of Belgrade. Where the US was intentionally bombing civilians and power stations. How can you justify that the War was in Kosovo and the borders between Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia and yet you bomb a city hundreds of kilometres away from the war zone. Bombing bridges to cut supply CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT? CAN YOU? Bombing of a bus full of civilians? Bombing a power station which is in no way related to the military since the military has generators of its own? Wonder why the US isn't doing jack all cause the US does the same thing. What Israel has done and is doing is nothing different from what the US has done. The US and British were the only ones to drop bombs on civilian targets in the Balkan conflict the Balkan conflict was not an attack on the US but a civil war. You call your army peace keepers? Think about it hypocrites.
Right Forum, Wrong Post. You need a hug?
Last edited by spray_and_pray (2006-07-21 13:31:45)
Thats what ive been try to say but no one listens.oug wrote:
This proves without a shadow of a doubt you are smarter that most of us in this forum.rawls wrote:
A big collusion of all the Gods is what you all want. Sorry it doesnt work that way. They may have come from the same father but not the same mother. Jesus was legitimat and Muhamed was not. And if I dont spell muhamed right who gives a shit. I know Christians have it right. We have prospered while the muslims have suffered. Those who stopped beleiving in God will soon see their suffering come to bear and Ill say I told you so!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
well unless that post about rawls was sacastic, then i dont know what the hell ur talking about, he thinks that we are all going to hell, simply because of diversity. it is people like him that provoke these kind of conflicts in the first place, through their close mindedness and unacceptance of anyone elses religion. he is ignorant and i am ashamed to be of the same species as him.
Heres a solution: Have An international force surround the two countries. Give them like a week each to prepare. In that week they can get help from whatever country wants to help whatever side. Than when the week is up have the international force create a boundery that niether side can cross and no one can get into. Then let them go at it. When the fighting ends whoever is left gets the land.
I lump people like you in the same basket as the fundamentalists perpetrating these actions. You my friend are a religious fundamentalist, and your thoughts are not representative of all Christians. I would like for open-minded Christians to speak their opinions on thoughts like these. You and people who think like you are major reasons why there is still tension in the world. I have no problem calling you an ignorant fundamentalist bigot.rawls2 wrote:
A big collusion of all the Gods is what you all want. Sorry it doesnt work that way. They may have come from the same father but not the same mother. Jesus was legitimat and Muhamed was not. And if I dont spell muhamed right who gives a shit. I know Christians have it right. We have prospered while the muslims have suffered. Those who stopped beleiving in God will soon see their suffering come to bear and Ill say I told you so!
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-07-21 14:19:39)
Well I dont know how many people are aware of this but Israel is gods country if you look into the bible.
So they are very religious and in the bible it stands that when Israel has conquered palestina then judgement day will come. God wants Israel to dominate the area because god has given it to them. Well thats what stands in the bible.
So they are very religious and in the bible it stands that when Israel has conquered palestina then judgement day will come. God wants Israel to dominate the area because god has given it to them. Well thats what stands in the bible.
Please leave the bible out of this, as it has no place in modern politics. My god says that I am to have supreme dominance of the entire universe. Does that substantiate me killing innocent people to conquer it? Does that give any type of validity to my claim?stef wrote:
Well I dont know how many people are aware of this but Israel is gods country if you look into the bible.
So they are very religious and in the bible it stands that when Israel has conquered palestina then judgement day will come. God wants Israel to dominate the area because god has given it to them. Well thats what stands in the bible.
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-07-21 14:21:51)
Ken...Please be man enough to acknowledge that in" their book", an " Invisable man Promised them this land. " lol
"My book" said I could hve your car !
"My book" said I could hve your car !
Im just telling what stands in the book. They just see the bible as one of the most holy things in the world.
And if we knew there was a god he could do what ever he wanted and it would be holy. Cause its god.
Everything god says is holy and therefor legal.
And if we knew there was a god he could do what ever he wanted and it would be holy. Cause its god.
Everything god says is holy and therefor legal.
Its sarcasm with a bit of truth. The sarcasm comes from reading posts from people who assume they know what is wrong with the world. They assume they know who is right or wrong based on what they see on TV or read on the internet. I was raised Christian and have seen Christ active in my life and I dont beleive what islam preaches (even though it mirrors what i beleive there are distinct differences). So in conclusion, I side with Israel on this conflict.Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:
well unless that post about rawls was sacastic, then i dont know what the hell ur talking about, he thinks that we are all going to hell, simply because of diversity. it is people like him that provoke these kind of conflicts in the first place, through their close mindedness and unacceptance of anyone elses religion. he is ignorant and i am ashamed to be of the same species as him.
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So this "God" condones the killing of innocent civilians to take back "their" land? Sounds like my kind of guy!stef wrote:
Im just telling what stands in the book. They just see the bible as one of the most holy things in the world.
And if we knew there was a god he could do what ever he wanted and it would be holy. Cause its god.
Everything god says is holy and therefor legal.
Hey Ken, can you try to have a debate without belittling someone? The other people in this forum are intitled to their opinions as well as you are. Don't bash someone of faith, just because you don't have any. This thread asked a simple question, and we are getting off, way off subject here. Don't bash because their beliefs are not yours.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
So this "God" condones the killing of innocent civilians to take back "their" land? Sounds like my kind of guy!stef wrote:
Im just telling what stands in the book. They just see the bible as one of the most holy things in the world.
And if we knew there was a god he could do what ever he wanted and it would be holy. Cause its god.
Everything god says is holy and therefor legal.
Posters making fun of other posters, cause they believe in a power greater than themselves. Harsh, do you guys who don't believe in anything no for fact that their opinions are wrong? No.
BTW Point of order, earlier in this thread you called Rawls an ignorant bigot and a racist. If the debate gets heated that's no reason to start name calling, for example, If I were to say you were an agnostic liberal socialist tree hugger, that would be wrong.
Let's keep it civil people.
Sorry for the rant...
No, because "your" religion would be false. There is only one God. And you obviously dont believe so you can go to hell. America was founded by god fearing people and that is why we have prospered. you dont believe, I wonder how you will fair in life?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Please leave the bible out of this, as it has no place in modern politics. My god says that I am to have supreme dominance of the entire universe. Does that substantiate me killing innocent people to conquer it? Does that give any type of validity to my claim?stef wrote:
Well I dont know how many people are aware of this but Israel is gods country if you look into the bible.
So they are very religious and in the bible it stands that when Israel has conquered palestina then judgement day will come. God wants Israel to dominate the area because god has given it to them. Well thats what stands in the bible.