Similarly I have no problem with rational and level headed Israelis. It's the Zionazis I am troubled with.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
I have no problem with rational and level headed Arabs. Its the islamo-facists that I am troubled with.
You do know that Hitler wasn't anywhere near so bad in terms of killing people as some others, and that he was one of the greatest economic leaders of the 20th century?-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Looks like we have some mini Hitlers on our hands.
That was an opinion. I said that his statemen was factually correct, i.e. his facts were right.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
I would love to see you tell an Israeli to "go home" to the face.
I deny them the right to live, huh? When have I ever said they should die? I believe the formation of Israel was wrong, and that Israel is highly aggressive. Having said that, I wish death on noone.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
This is the only place they have to call home and they have been fighting to the death to defend it because of the people like you who deny them the right to live.
Ex squeeze me? "Do they deserve that, at the expense of the safety, security, and happiness of the people (the vast majority of whom are peace loving, terrorist hating people) who have lived there for thousands of years? I think not. "-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Brought it upon themselves? So I guess they deserve to have their lives disrupted daily by suicide bombers on buses and in restaurants? No one deserves that. They have attempted to make peace only to receive rockets and kidnappings.{DsM}SongofWar[BoC] wrote:
Very well then.Vampira_NB wrote:
That's the best reply you could give me? Well ladeedah Mr Point-Out-The-Obvious
The Jews got shafted last century. I am not disputing that.
DO they deserve a place where they can live in safety, security, and happiness? Yes.
Do they deserve that, at the expense of the safety, security, and happiness of the people (the vast majority of whom are peace loving, terrorist hating people) who have lived there for thousands of years? I think not.
Israel, while I do not think they should be faced with these terrorist attacks, did, in fact, bring it upon themselves.
OK and Hamas Just happened to get into power By whom? You guessed it, The terrorist Loving Majority of those same peace loving Palestinians!! Oh yeah and Hezbola Is in power because the Govt of Lebanon really wants them there, thus Manning the majority of the peace lovers do also. Please, tell me more about the terrorist haters. Oh yeah, The Jews were displaced from there holy land, and when they were let back on land that was rightfully theres, The OCCUPIERS got pissed. Your kind of saying that The native Americans in the US don't deserve ANY land, Because they were displaced by occupiers also right? Must be, by your logic.
HEIL Bubbalo!!! Greatest economic leaders my ass. He was nothing more than a drug useing murder. Please tell me you dont idolize that guy. PLEASE.Bubbalo wrote:
You do know that Hitler wasn't anywhere near so bad in terms of killing people as some others, and that he was one of the greatest economic leaders of the 20th century?-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Looks like we have some mini Hitlers on our hands.That was an opinion. I said that his statemen was factually correct, i.e. his facts were right.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
I would love to see you tell an Israeli to "go home" to the face.I deny them the right to live, huh? When have I ever said they should die? I believe the formation of Israel was wrong, and that Israel is highly aggressive. Having said that, I wish death on noone.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
This is the only place they have to call home and they have been fighting to the death to defend it because of the people like you who deny them the right to live.
Of course I don't, but he did take Germany from "starving to death" to "enough money to buy tanks and kick ass" (or "freezing to death" if you were on the eastern front). That's good economic leadership.
Anyone who defends hitler obviously has something wrong with them.
It was a JOKE you stupid GIT. Get a fucking sense of humor Bud. It makes life MUCH easier. You wont end up on drugs in the future if you get one.TeamZephyr wrote:
Oh wow, how very relevant. He can only get "crack hoes" because he doesnt agree with you, how extremely mature of you.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Sorry to derail here But you say Be AS boring AS Fuck? Dunno about you, But i dont think (fucking is boring). Matter of fact its more interesting than some of the arguements here by atleast 200% LMAO. I hopeing it isnt really boring for you, unless your standards are very low, and you can only Get crack Ho's, But i would like to think you get better than that, Atleast i hope LMAO.CameronPoe wrote:
I have a bias yes. You have a heavy bias in the other direction. The fact I have a perceived bias does not affect the validity of my comments in any way. I haven't made any gross assumptions in any of the posts on this thread and have backed up all my arguments with hard evidence. I don't get your point. You seem to be pissed off because *shock horror* someone doesn't agree with you. Newsflash: This forum would be as boring as fuck if everyone went around patting each other on the back and telling each other how great their opinions are.
Actually bubbalo is right, he did pull germany out of the gutter. Any Historian will tell you this. However, he then want all megalomaniac on us and put it right back in (the gutter)-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Anyone who defends hitler obviously has something wrong with them.
I didn't defend him insofar as saying he was a good person, but there were worse people (Stalin, for one), and he was an economically good leader. If you want to call someone horrible, you're better off comparing them to the guys just below him, who watched the torture. They were typically sadists, whereas, IIRC, Hitler passed out at the sight of blood.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Anyone who defends hitler obviously has something wrong with them.
I believe the majority of germans look at Israel with the same feelings as every other western nation. Some will be in support, others are more sceptic and criticize. Although the collective guilt of having caused the Holocaust 60 years ago has been etched into every generation of german pupils since the end of WWII ( believe me, history class gets kinda boring when it's always the same topic ), most of us have freed ourselves from that thought in the meantime.{DsM}SongofWar[BoC] wrote:
Not every arab is a terrorist you know.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
"Peace loving terrorist hating people" lawl. Ill have to take your word on that one............
Why don't you we ask b.schuss if there is a german or two that doesn't mind the jews all that much?
I was born in 1975, I have nothing to do with what happened between 1933 and 1945. Btw, the same is true for most of you guys, I guess, be it Americans or Israelis.
Thus, I think I have the same right to criticize Israel for what it is doing today as every other free man on this planet.
I have nothing against Israelis, just like I have nothing against Americans. It is the politics of their respective governments that tend to infuriate me lately, and the tactics they use.
I am pretty sure the average Israeli just wants to live in peace and secure a safe future for his children. The same is true for the average Lebanese, I dare say.
The problems we see today are caused by the radical elements among the population and also by the way the respective governments handle those. As soon as the political arms of the radical organizations become members of said governments ( as in Palestine and Lebanon ), there tends to develop a conflict of interests, which will hamper the effectivity of police work against terrorist organizations. Gaza is the perfect example.
And that is the only accusation I have for the lebanese government. If they knew hezbollah was firing rockets at Israel from Lebanese territory, it would have been their responsibility to try to stop those activities.
They must have known that Israel would not let this go unsanctioned.
Still, I believe that Israel's response is way out of proportion and - more importantly- is not apt to achieve their tactical goal, getting their kidnapped soldiers free.
Moreover, this develops more and more into a win/win situation for hezbollah. They probably have little to no casualties, while the constant shelling of civilians by Israel is just bound to drive more recruits into their camps.
Whatever concept is behind Israel's current actions, it doesn't seem to be working...
Are you at all upset that your tax-dollars are going towards their military?
you mean my tax Euros ? I am really not sure if Germany supports Israel at all financially. Maybe the EU does in some shape or form, but that's nothing I have control over anyway.Bubbalo wrote:
Are you at all upset that your tax-dollars are going towards their military?
I'll try to look this up.
I'd be angry if I were american though. Every bomb dropped on Lebanon, every tank shell fired, every 5.56 round, is basically supplied by the US, IIRC.
I'm pretty sure you guys are still paying them money as a "sorry 'bout the holocaust" thing.
according to Wikipdia, German compensations for holocaust victims started in 1952 and ended in 1966. During that time, 3 billion marks were paid to israel, 450 million more to the WJC. Germany also provided industrial goods such as machines and ships, and building material, such as wood.Bubbalo wrote:
I'm pretty sure you guys are still paying them money as a "sorry 'bout the holocaust" thing.
Wikipedia article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparation … st_Germany
I am pretty sure that the EU funds Israel in some shape or form, and since Germany is the biggest contributor to the EU, one cold argue my tax Euros also help support Israel, but that's nothing compared to what the US does. At least we don't supply weapons.
I'll try to find EU funds.
Eh, either way, I was just curious.
Im not, Someone in this heartless Anti Isreal world needs to help them servive extinction if they didnt HAVE a military.Bubbalo wrote:
Are you at all upset that your tax-dollars are going towards their military?
I wasn't talking to you.
I've scoured the internet for a while and thankfully can find no reference to EU aid to Israel, save for trade agreements if you count that as 'aid'.
True. If only someone had bought his paintings...{DsM}SongofWar[BoC] wrote:
Actually bubbalo is right, he did pull germany out of the gutter. Any Historian will tell you this. However, he then want all megalomaniac on us and put it right back in (the gutter)-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Anyone who defends hitler obviously has something wrong with them.
OK, so I say we fund Lebanon and Palestine the same way, mith money, weapons and aid, to even the balance of power...<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Im not, Someone in this heartless Anti Isreal world needs to help them servive extinction if they didnt HAVE a military.Bubbalo wrote:
Are you at all upset that your tax-dollars are going towards their military?
The scary possibility there, though, is that Russia might have rolled over Western Europe.HM1{N} wrote:
True. If only someone had bought his paintings...
Well I'm bloody sorry, but I thought the name of this forums was Debate and SERIOUS talk.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
It was a JOKE you stupid GIT. Get a fucking sense of humor Bud. It makes life MUCH easier. You wont end up on drugs in the future if you get one.
In regards to Hitler, he was a twisted freak in regards to his ideas in eugenics, biology, natural selection and race politics. But as an economic leader was one of the best in the 20th Century. As Bubbalo mentioned he managed to bring Germany from the poverty and starvation that was the Nightmare Year and The Great Depression and managed to get them back to a strong Germany.
But it was the his race ideas and expansionist policy that killed him.
Have you read ANY of the previous posts M8? Why don't you do some reading before you go blathering on about No Israel before the forties nonsense. K?Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:
what people seen to forget, it that although Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries, IT is the impostor, Israel didn't exist until the forties, when Britain gave the Jews a place to live after the atrocities of the Second World War. This was of course their religious homeland that they named Israel. But the Palestinians who originally lived there were displaced and this obviously angered them. I find it outrageous that just because of someones religion they can automatically claim a land that is someone else's. The Palestinians and Muslims in the surrounding area have every right in the world to be angry at the state of Israel, it was land taken by force from them and giving to a group of people who think that it should be theirs anyway and so feel no remorse. It is a disgust.
So before anyone starts shouting nuke all Muslims like the post a while back, which frankly is in horrific bad taste, then i think that you should think about this and actually it is Israel that needs nuking, and the people that put Israel there, US.
They are showing incredible restraint. With the 4th most powerful army on the planet, they could bomb those fools into the stone age.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Five is hilarious? Do you see tanks running through Beriut?
BTW, No compasion for people who continue to live in those areas controlled by hizbollah for the last 10 years, they knew this was coming eventually, what did they think, an organization that has in it's mission statement "Death to Israel", if they struck out Israel would sit on their hands? It's never happened before, why would it happen now?
And for all of those who think the Arab street is going to gang up on Israel, tell them to bring it. That has also happened before and Israel bashed the bollocks out of them in less than 7 days.
Bomb 'those fools'? Those fools = Hezbollah? Those fools = The Lebanese? Those fools = Hezbollah & The Lebanese? Which will it be? Bombing Lebanon into the stone age is exactly the kind of state Israel need as neighbours for the future!!! LOL. Afghanistan isn't exactly the kind of neighbour that Pakistan can exactly be happy about.|AIA| DAS wrote:
They are showing incredible restraint. With the 4th most powerful army on the planet, they could bomb those fools into the stone age.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Five is hilarious? Do you see tanks running through Beriut?
The current Palestinian intifada is in it's fifth or sixth year and doesn't seem to be on the brink of being ended just yet. The six day war showed the strategic ineptitude of the arabs back then - why face a more powerful army in conventional warfare when guerrilla war would be far more effective? That's the difference this time around. Just in the same way that Iraq is being held hostage by insurgents several years after USA 'liberated' them (LOL) the likes of Hezbollah could bleed Israel dry gradually. A far more intelligent tactic than trying to attack what in my mind is the best military force on the plant, i.e. the IDF, in open battle.|AIA| DAS wrote:
And for all of those who think the Arab street is going to gang up on Israel, tell them to bring it. That has also happened before and Israel bashed the bollocks out of them in less than 7 days.
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