BF2S Forums Black Hawk Mini-Gun - Un-Nerf?

I say yes. I was being transported to a flag on Wake and we circled around the back. The base was littered with enemies and I started gunning. There was this one guy that was laying prone shooting at something and I had sooooo many bullets on him, all you could see was a cloud of grey dust. I literally hit my target for over 15 seconds and he gets up and walks away and we get shot down.

What the fuck?

Last edited by Jenkinsbball (2006-07-12 13:54:33)

oberst_enzian wrote:

i reckon the nerfing of the bh is one of the worst nerfs the have done so far. just one example among countless others where they fucked wtih something they should have left alone, while leaving alone the things they really need to change.

fuck heads.

This game just plain fucking sucks now!

....Those are MINIGUNS...even if it say mini it still can shoot bullets no?!?! And who havent seen those movie of those in action...i mean...why cant EA/DICE give a little respect to that gun!

I have only seen a handful of pilots who can actually get decent gunners since patch 1.2, the thing is a death trap. The majority of people use it so they can ditch it on a high roof and attack from there. LIke FUCK, a few days agos i faced a full black hawk as a Special forces w/ my scar, they were good gunners and had a good pilot, i frickin got hit by almost all their shots, but yet i survived to take out 3 of the guys, gunner plus two others. Dice fucking nerfed it so bad that all u need is a pistol, some practice and u'll pwn it.

Yes, of course. And what they should do is.. when some ppl base reap the carrier that they can't get into the carrier and use the mini guns for mas destuction. And boost up their pts.

This is going to be a long post but provides some decent input on the transpot heli guns.

They dont need to add splash damage to the miniguns or ANY explosive capabilities, what they need to do is give it e real ROF of 4000 rounds per minute.  Now obviously this isn't feasable because it would probably lag the game to shit to register that many shots, but they could simulate it.

They could give it a ROF of 500 rounds per minute to optimize netcode, but each round be a tight torso-sized "shotgun" blast of 8 rounds of 5.56mm.  They should have the same power of the games regular 5.56mm round, meaning 5-6 rounds to kill.  However one short torso sized blast of at least 8 rounds at minimum, would kill any infantry if you are able to aim decently.  It would be easier than it is now to kill infantry, but not as ridiculously so as it was before the nerf

You still would be able to take down vehicles as well since you have an effective ROF of 4000 rounds per minute, which is more than 4 M249s.  That should be sufficient to rape vehicles to a flaming wreckage, but not instantaneously to preserve game balance.

And to balance out the other transports, they should beef up their 12.7mm guns to deal a sight amount more damage to reflect APIT Armor Piercing Incindiary Tracers , but still not explosive with splash damage. So infantry would die with one direct hit, so if you can aim well and hit something it will die.  Vehicles should die faster than the minigun would, due to the heavier APIT round. 

This would balance out the easier to kill infantry minigun with a slight "spread" on its shots, with a heavy duty APIT round from the MEC and PLA choppers to rape light vehicles, and slightly damage armor.

What are your thoughts?

Someone Link this post to EAs Official Thread, so we can hopefully get some attention..

Operator_Stavros wrote:

This is going to be a long post but provides some decent input on the transpot heli guns.

They dont need to add splash damage to the miniguns or ANY explosive capabilities, what they need to do is give it e real ROF of 4000 rounds per minute.  Now obviously this isn't feasable because it would probably lag the game to shit to register that many shots, but they could simulate it.

They could give it a ROF of 500 rounds per minute to optimize netcode, but each round be a tight torso-sized "shotgun" blast of 8 rounds of 5.56mm.  They should have the same power of the games regular 5.56mm round, meaning 5-6 rounds to kill.  However one short torso sized blast of at least 8 rounds at minimum, would kill any infantry if you are able to aim decently.  It would be easier than it is now to kill infantry, but not as ridiculously so as it was before the nerf

That is exactly the way it used to be, as i remember.   The blackhawk used to shoot out a diamond shaped spread of bullets (you could notice it shooting at the ground or something) Now why can't we go back to that?

Vintageologist wrote:

Wasder wrote:

I voted yes, but the other two choppers' guns must be powered up as well, given higher rates of fire and splash damage.

Sorry, but that wouldn't make sense as they have the same machine guns mounted on the other vehicles (T90, Vodnic, etc...)

And why not before 1.2 patch BH was like flying fortress, not even tank could of taking it down. I agree that mini-gun is useless and could use some more splash damage, but I also agree about doing the same to rest of transport choppers.

BTW I said YES.

Last edited by l=l-Oneill-l=l (2006-07-18 04:49:35)

^^^Agreed...with the MP7 an P90 firing rates going up to improve it's killing potential, the miniguns should be owning.  Now I'm not saying introduce a flying "bullet hose" fortress into the game and unbalance things, but cripes...it should at least be able to effectively provide ground support (like it was meant to) and/or defend itself o.0

Just give the damn thing a .50 cal and be over with it.

They're not going to un nerf anything. They never have. Never will. Learn.

Definitely 1) :S?....anyway yes they should improve splash damage bring it back to what it was, man that gun was so fun. As a matter of fact everything about that gun was fun. In mashtuur you would have hordes of people running to the chopper which was good because in that chopper there will be so much teamwork. You would have a medic pilot,2 gunners either ammo/medic, an engineer possibly two and you would own the fuck out of everyone. Man was that fun and only just the gunners who got points but the whole dam chopper was swimming in a pool of points because of all the teamwork so I say bring it back!