Really? I guess I had a horrible minigunner when I circled around the "Backyard" OP in Mashtuur City and hovered at some points for 3 minutes. He got one kill. There was about 10+ infantry.LockerFish wrote:
I voted "no" too. You've got to use the properly with a good pilot who can rotate above the flag right and keep steady. I saw a squad do this on mashtuur and they were very good. It's fine.
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Should EA/Dice add more Splash Damage to the Blackhawk Mini-guns?
| 1) Yes | 86% | 86% - 441 | ||||
| 1) No | 13% | 13% - 68 | ||||
| Total: 509 | ||||||
1) Yes 88% 88% - 194
1) No 11% 11% - 26
Total: 220
I think EA should make a tip to DICE here.
1) No 11% 11% - 26
Total: 220
I think EA should make a tip to DICE here.
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~ Richard Feynman
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The vote is overwhelming. At the very least, it should take less than three seconds of direct hits to tear enemy soldiers apart with that thing.
That's ridiculous. Infantry and vehicle MG's are now capable of striking way more effectively than the BH minigun, which is only really useful now for taking out transports. I can't count how many times I've stood on the ground with a pistol shooting up at some poor dumb Blackhawk gunner overheating his weapon trying to kill me, only to receive a MR-444 or somesuch round to the teeth. I've seen them (and I've done this as well) just jump into the passenger seat with a grenade launcher to attack infantry in that manner instead. How stupid is that? I realize that the Mashtuur problem has now been effectively taken care of, but EA has screwed a vehicle to deal with it. Wouldn't it be better to (on Mashtuur) just give the USMC a chopper with no mini's, but a couple of medic pontoons instead?LockerFish wrote:
I voted "no" too. You've got to use the properly with a good pilot who can rotate above the flag right and keep steady. I saw a squad do this on mashtuur and they were very good. It's fine.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-07-10 18:22:30)
It should be the way it was in the beginning, at least people had a mission to steal the fucking thing
that is so, so true.fierce wrote:
It's schizophrenic that a Vodnik can easily kill a Black Hawk, but not vice versa and the Blackhawk got a god damn M60.
and just a side note on splash damage; in RL even a 50cal mounted mg causes enough splash damage to kill via indirect fire.
I don't know why but i find it hard to kill someone with the Black Hawk Mini-Gun and really don't use it allot xD
For those who would like to see a mini gun be un-downgraded but want the MEC/China Cereal Boxes to stand a chance:
You can't upgrade a 50 cal. without affecting the rest of the 50 cal users. Give the Cereal Boxes a better weapon..say, a Grenade Luancher (MK.19) or something like that. It's not hard, giving that they have enough free time to make the "Road to Tralalalalalalalabad" map.
Has anyone gone on youtube to see someone use a airsoft minigun shoot at a TV? That thing does more damage than one a BF2 minigun does.
You can't upgrade a 50 cal. without affecting the rest of the 50 cal users. Give the Cereal Boxes a better weapon..say, a Grenade Luancher (MK.19) or something like that. It's not hard, giving that they have enough free time to make the "Road to Tralalalalalalalabad" map.
Has anyone gone on youtube to see someone use a airsoft minigun shoot at a TV? That thing does more damage than one a BF2 minigun does.
what they NEED to do to the blackhawk is add a forward turret to it, it would EASILY make it used for support, I play oman all the time and all I see that BHs do is they transport, and suicide crash, I was at the village, and a BH came, with 2 gunners, circled a few times AND DID NOT GET ME! I then l85A1'd the gunners, and then MR 444'd the stragglers. the miniguns on the side shoot like more than 10 bullets in one shot , and shoot a LOT but it takes like more than 1000 bullets to damage a vehicle, its really weak....
They never should of changed it in the first place. It was perfactly fine b4 they nerfed it. Every blackhawk i see is either sitting unused, or being kamakazied into the enemy's attack chopper. thats,about,it.
bh's used to pwn wake b4 teh nerf. a good chopper team would go an entire round without dieing and racking up points like mad.
bh's used to pwn wake b4 teh nerf. a good chopper team would go an entire round without dieing and racking up points like mad.
Last edited by Cbass (2006-07-11 15:05:16)
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhlukeiamnotyourfather wrote:
yes, because the Mi-28 gunner gun has splash damage. Oh crap now they're gonna nerf that now
I think they should be more accurate, but I don't care if the add splash back.
The guns on the BH are M134's which are 7.62mm NATO, which is the same as the G3 and very similar to the PKM, so there is really no comparison to the MI-28's gun. Though I must admit they were fun when they did have splash damage, I'd be happy with accuracy improvements.
The guns on the BH are M134's which are 7.62mm NATO, which is the same as the G3 and very similar to the PKM, so there is really no comparison to the MI-28's gun. Though I must admit they were fun when they did have splash damage, I'd be happy with accuracy improvements.
b/hawk fas become a flying coffin
i got my kilkl streak with it and now it just sux
cant hit shit 10mtrs away it is so gay now
i got my kilkl streak with it and now it just sux
cant hit shit 10mtrs away it is so gay now
mec and china ones has less precision and damage than black hawk its really anoying shooting a sniper until mg gets hot(only temperature, not horny XDDD)and dont kill him
the black hawks minigun must be made more powerfull but then again the chinees and MEC chopper machineguns have a shit power aswell, and they cant even turn the almost 90 degrees (left to right) like on the blackhawk, basicly the transport choppers are weak
Oh no, please no splash damage to the Black Hawk (again)! We all had it and if i weren't so fucking lazy i would link at least 20 posts where people moaned about the crazy blackhawk.
The problem is: The weapon is damn accurate, much to accurate for a mini-gun. What is a minigun good for, if i hit the same spot 600 times a minute? Nothing, especially if im in a moving helicopter and aiming is getting harder.
Maybe the BH Gun should spray a bit, this would reduce the damage, but at least you can hit something. Its impossible to make this gun realistic, because its really devastating in real life...you would shredd almost everything except an heavy armored vehicle and cut through houses, jeeps, bridges, all types of soldiers etc.
But one thing you shouldn't forget: The BH is NOT an attack heli...so i hope EA isn't going to up him too much. THe BH is an transport heli (in this game) with some self-defence (which in my opinion is a bit to weak). But we all had the stories about the invincible Black Hawk in Mashtuur, where a BH hovering high above the Moschee can cost you 100+ tickets
Amen!
Zar_Niko
The problem is: The weapon is damn accurate, much to accurate for a mini-gun. What is a minigun good for, if i hit the same spot 600 times a minute? Nothing, especially if im in a moving helicopter and aiming is getting harder.
Maybe the BH Gun should spray a bit, this would reduce the damage, but at least you can hit something. Its impossible to make this gun realistic, because its really devastating in real life...you would shredd almost everything except an heavy armored vehicle and cut through houses, jeeps, bridges, all types of soldiers etc.
But one thing you shouldn't forget: The BH is NOT an attack heli...so i hope EA isn't going to up him too much. THe BH is an transport heli (in this game) with some self-defence (which in my opinion is a bit to weak). But we all had the stories about the invincible Black Hawk in Mashtuur, where a BH hovering high above the Moschee can cost you 100+ tickets
Amen!
Zar_Niko
I really would not mind a "small" increase to the miniguns. problem is that DICE's idea of 'tweaking" something is to pull out a BFH (big fucking hammer) and smash the shit out of it.
Isn't the whole idea of tweaking something to give it a small change and then observe.
Isn't the whole idea of tweaking something to give it a small change and then observe.
The Blackhawk NEVER was a problem before the nerfing of it's guns. The problem were the damn kids that shouldn't even be playing the game at their age who were running around without taking cover. Of course I got killed by the Blackhawk too, but that was mostly just bad luck or my fault. Face it, if you run over free field without giving a shit, you're likely to be killed, either by some Minigunner or anyone else... but it'll still be your fault.Zar_Niko wrote:
Oh no, please no splash damage to the Black Hawk (again)! We all had it and if i weren't so fucking lazy i would link at least 20 posts where people moaned about the crazy blackhawk.
The problem is: The weapon is damn accurate, much to accurate for a mini-gun. What is a minigun good for, if i hit the same spot 600 times a minute? Nothing, especially if im in a moving helicopter and aiming is getting harder.
Maybe the BH Gun should spray a bit, this would reduce the damage, but at least you can hit something. Its impossible to make this gun realistic, because its really devastating in real life...you would shredd almost everything except an heavy armored vehicle and cut through houses, jeeps, bridges, all types of soldiers etc.
But one thing you shouldn't forget: The BH is NOT an attack heli...so i hope EA isn't going to up him too much. THe BH is an transport heli (in this game) with some self-defence (which in my opinion is a bit to weak). But we all had the stories about the invincible Black Hawk in Mashtuur, where a BH hovering high above the Moschee can cost you 100+ tickets
Amen!
Zar_Niko
And now let's post a link to this somewhere at the EA Forums and let them see we want the old BH again, shall we?
Btw yes, it isn't an attack chopper, but an infantry & light vehicle slayin transport. That's what it is in R/L and what it was back in the days. Now it's just a flying coffin.
Edited for typos.
Last edited by Vintageologist (2006-07-12 08:09:20)
the mec choppper could do with some work too tbh, Look at the pkm it should be at least something close if not the same power, you never see that thing full or even in use sometimes. the most underused vhc in the game and now the blackhawk is same in most cases.
i remember when you killed one you allways welcome with a few kills, Back in the blackhawk capping days being in a tank was fun!, made the china maps a lot more playable too.
i remember when you killed one you allways welcome with a few kills, Back in the blackhawk capping days being in a tank was fun!, made the china maps a lot more playable too.
Agreed!!!hellsy wrote:
Back in the blackhawk capping days being in a tank was fun!, made the china maps a lot more playable too.
Not splash damage. Minigun's just fire bullets really fast. Do PKM's kill people if you shoot the wall next to them or the person? Add more direct hit damage.
Last edited by ninjabot (2006-07-12 08:35:12)
i love this vid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JWE40r … ch=minigun
so fun to watch, so lame to play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JWE40r … ch=minigun
so fun to watch, so lame to play
The nerfed the BH 3 times in one patch:
Stronger AA,
Stronger Jeep-MG (Vodnik, Humvee, etc.)
Nerfed the Minigun.
Imo, one of these points was enough, now its more safe to go by foot, than sitting in a BH.
Stronger AA,
Stronger Jeep-MG (Vodnik, Humvee, etc.)
Nerfed the Minigun.
Imo, one of these points was enough, now its more safe to go by foot, than sitting in a BH.
Last edited by Snoopie66 (2006-07-12 09:02:00)
PS:
They did a good job with the choppers from AF.
Great damage to infantry, but very low health.
Why not applying the same method to the BH?
Or vice versa, low damage (as it is) and huge armor.
They did a good job with the choppers from AF.
Great damage to infantry, but very low health.
Why not applying the same method to the BH?
Or vice versa, low damage (as it is) and huge armor.
all it takes is a few good AT shots!
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