Honestly whoever believes the news they feed ya in US is a WWF fan...
I left them uncapped unpurpose, there bubbalo.Bubbalo wrote:
Ok, sure. Shall we talk about how Coalition forces attacked retreating vehicles in the first Gulf War? Or shall we go back a little and talk about how the US supports dictatorships, including Saddam and the Taliban? Or shoud we go back even further, and discuss how Europe controlled it's colonies? Meanwhile, perhaps you need to learn that proper nouns are capitalised.
Wow talk about a side step. lol
Your the one ignoring the rest of the post.
Yeah ok, I will respond to therest of this post:Bubbalo wrote:
The difference between the Middle East and Europe (to say the rest of the world is silly, Asia and Africa have different histories again) is that Europes spent the last 2000 years improving their standard of living at the expense of everyone else, the Middle East has largely internalised it's struggles (the most notable exception to this being Turkey, which is the most European Middle East nation, if that makes any sense). I would also suggest that the Middle East was more honorable and humane, but that's beside the point.
Even if Europeans spent the last 2000 years improving their standard of living at the expense of everyone else, as you maintain. Then I will say at LEAST someones standard of living was improved. THe middle easterners spent longer than that killing each other and everyone else for NOTHING. I say this since their standard of living for the majority hasn't changed much since 2000 years ago. Except of course for their weapons. Very little progress at all.
pre 1000 AD, many of the christian pilgrims told of the infamous "road to Bethlehem" (at this time it was a popular thing to go on a pilgrimage for christians as well as Muslims) which was littered in many places with bones and rotting corpses, all almost exclusively Europeans, as Muslims tried to keep them out of the middle east. Mind you these were not armed soldiers, except the bodyguards of the wealthier nobles, but peasants only wishing to go to the holy city and return. This led to the establishment of the Knights Templar who were placed at various cities along the path to Bethlehem/Jerusalem to keep them protected from the Muslims, which in turn led to the first of the crusades in response to the need to keep the K T supplied, then to actually govern the lands around the Holy City. So technically, yes, the christians started the first crusade, since the atrocities visited upon the christians prior to the crusades were not under the flag of a specific ruler and can only technically be called murder as opposed to a war.Bubbalo wrote:
Christians were the aggressors. Regardless, we've been led off on a tangent. My point is that to charactise the Middle East as more violent, historically, than Europe, is false.kr@cker wrote:
both ideologies were equally guilty of perpetrating horrors of the crusades