BF2S Forums Main Raping

I'll do it if theres no flags for me to cap or maybe one flag but we still have the bleed (eg. Oman 64).  Also, if I go specops and find myself next to a tank with 4 or 5 inf in front of me waiting for a jet or heli what the hell do you expect?  A cup of tea??  Chocolates????  I know, when you flashbang me, AT or I see a specop charge I'll just sit there, yeah thats it... *rollseyes*

Honour and decency have gone out the door in BF2, I expect that I'll get base raped ingame, so with that in mind I'll happily give as well as I get!

Just be thankful BF2 doesn't have BF1942-style repair pads that tanks can sit on, THEN you'd be fucked!!!

OpsChief wrote:

OGGBlueGoose wrote:

Unfortunately Noob, you have many , many inconsistancies and misrepresentations in your posts also.  Are they lies, who knows, I doubt it.  Your just trying to make your case for main raping. Sorry but I don't buy your bill of goods. 
Should I quote them.  NO.  It's not worth spending the time reading the replies. 
I'm not a main raper and never will be.  I earn all my points fair and square.
Apparently you are a main raper and always will be.

OK i'm confused again...who are you talking to?

Mmmmmme.  I'm pretty sure, anyway.  I'm more confused about his next comment though.  What was it...?  Oh yes..."If it walks like a main raper, and quacks like a main raper, it is a main raper."

I think he actually believed that this was witty or clever.  Or somehow insulting.  Maybe I missed the joke?

its a game get over it.
dont like being b/raped go play fuking internoob servers

Last edited by rootbeer73 (2006-07-10 20:08:21)

I know...I'm a man to be envied.  No matter who's making what points about what subject, there's always a cheap shot in there somewhere.  It's certainly enough to make me giggle.  I'm just amazed how so many people in these forums have travelled through the black woods, journeyed north of the haunted spire, and climbed the great cliffs of Cthulu to speak with the monolithic beast that is EA.

I myself?  I'd always thought that EA was a publisher, and that DICE was a team of developers each with their own thoughts and desires as to what should and shouldn't be in the game.  But clearly, I was wrong.  In almost every argument I see, SOMEone has some grand idea of what the great EA intended, so I guess it must be some single minded, mythic creature, to which only the chosen few have spoken with, only to come back here, to this wonderous forum, to tell us lowly souls of what this mighty being wishes of us and its many, many works.

Not being worthy or capable of such a pilgramage myself...I have to fall back on good old fashioned logic, and of course, EA's official Rules of Engagement, free for any and everyone to read.  Logic would state that if EA didn't want uncappable flags to be attacked, they WOULD do something about it.  Like they've attempted to do with bunny hopping, dolphin diving, and wall glitching.  Or when they increased firing delay when diving into prone with support.  Or any of the number of nerfs they've given the underslung grenade launcher.  Or any of the other fixes they've made.  They could stop Base rape with attrition damage like when you journey onto the red zones of the map, or with invisible barriers, instant kill zones, or any number of other options.  Hell, they could even make it so that an enemy is automatically spotted when in the area of your base, making them easy to kill.  I kinda like THAT idea myself.  But they've done none of that, have they?  What people are likely to say now is...they just haven't gotten around to it, or they can't do it just like they can't fix other glitches, or you just plain don't think that's what they intended. 

WELL, that's when I'd direct you to the lovely, and official Rules of Engagement, found here:  http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jsp … &sls=2 .  According to this lovely document, Baseraping/raiding MAY optionally be prohibited ONLY on private, rented ranked servers, up to the discretion of the administrators.  So...seems like THAT'S what their official stance on the subject is.  Amazing how easy that was to sort out without making shit up, huh?  And I guess that also...kinda invalidates any and all contrary arguments as to what they intend, huh?

Last edited by PCShooterNoob (2006-07-10 20:45:53)

ok, my two counter points are:

1) dolphin diving, while it existed, was also one of those things that ROE addressed and could be eliminated from a server if the admins wished. EA (or dice, it's much easier to blame everything on ea) did eventually fix it because it was fairly easy to remedy with a few minor code changes. so, no, just because roe says it can be done doesn't mean it was intended that way.

2) EA (again, whomever....) cannot make it so that there is a certain area in which one team can go and another cant. again, i point you to the fact that most uncaps have some sort of commander assets which would be more than minor code changes to move in the maps, and they probably dont want to do all that work for a problem that really isn't all that big in the scheme of things as far as the gameplay goes. Also, even though there is the ticket burn, there could be potential abuse on one teams part to never ever leave a main, and the game would slowly, slowly end, pissing many people off and overall sucking. as I said in a previous post, give the other team time to come out, if they are just going to sit in their main, bring the battle to them, fine, there is a time for that in extreme situations.

so.... no, i dont feel that anything you have pointed to or alluded to is an end-all statement regarding this issue.

as far as opschief, yea, mainraping isn't blatent statpadding, some people dont even do it all that effectively. Im talking about the people that have a jet and do nothing but bomb the carrier (for example), rearm, and repeat. those people are abusing the system, inflating their points, and in my opinion, that is considered statpadding. it isn't as obvious as the knife revive senerio, but its a means to an end, the end being a higher score.... yes, i know, the whole point of the game.... POINTS! but to do it in a way that exploits a particular system outside of the original design of the game (although the design intentions may be in question).... that is statpadding...... I wonder how many people would rape a main if you earned no points for every kill you got inside an enemy uncap....???? you would still have the same advantage as far as a winning strategy.... I'll bet most of the hardcore rapers (tanks sitting outside uncaps, jets bombing them repeatedly.....) would stop that action.... something to think about, eh.......

comet241 wrote:

ok, my two counter points are:

1) dolphin diving, while it existed, was also one of those things that ROE addressed and could be eliminated from a server if the admins wished. EA (or dice, it's much easier to blame everything on ea) did eventually fix it because it was fairly easy to remedy with a few minor code changes. so, no, just because roe says it can be done doesn't mean it was intended that way.

2) EA (again, whomever....) cannot make it so that there is a certain area in which one team can go and another cant. again, i point you to the fact that most uncaps have some sort of commander assets which would be more than minor code changes to move in the maps, and they probably dont want to do all that work for a problem that really isn't all that big in the scheme of things as far as the gameplay goes. Also, even though there is the ticket burn, there could be potential abuse on one teams part to never ever leave a main, and the game would slowly, slowly end, pissing many people off and overall sucking. as I said in a previous post, give the other team time to come out, if they are just going to sit in their main, bring the battle to them, fine, there is a time for that in extreme situations.

so.... no, i dont feel that anything you have pointed to or alluded to is an end-all statement regarding this issue.

as far as opschief, yea, mainraping isn't blatent statpadding, some people dont even do it all that effectively. Im talking about the people that have a jet and do nothing but bomb the carrier (for example), rearm, and repeat. those people are abusing the system, inflating their points, and in my opinion, that is considered statpadding. it isn't as obvious as the knife revive senerio, but its a means to an end, the end being a higher score.... yes, i know, the whole point of the game.... POINTS! but to do it in a way that exploits a particular system outside of the original design of the game (although the design intentions may be in question).... that is statpadding...... I wonder how many people would rape a main if you earned no points for every kill you got inside an enemy uncap....???? you would still have the same advantage as far as a winning strategy.... I'll bet most of the hardcore rapers (tanks sitting outside uncaps, jets bombing them repeatedly.....) would stop that action.... something to think about, eh.......

1)  Is a lie!  Nothing new, for you, I know.   Bunny hopping has been talked about in developer interviews since even before the ROE came about it's always been a problem, and each patch addressed it in SOME way, first making so that you couldn't shoot while jumping, changing the effect on stamina, yadda yadda.  By the time they put out the ROE, bunny hopping was LONG since established as a bullshit strategy, and forbidden wherever possible.

2)  Show me where EA can't do...just about whatever they want IF they wanted to in time.  They've added such things as co-op online multiplayer and vehicle drops, but they can't add boundaries?  Sounds to me like you're once AGAIN speaking for what the great beast known as EA wants without having any actual evidence to support it, especially with that crack about what work they do and don't want to do to fix whatever problems the view as big or small. 

And in regards to what you're saying to OpsChief, I thrown in my two cents.  not speaking for him or anything, just commenting on my own.  You keep saying things like this; but to do it in a way that exploits a particular system outside of the original design of the game (although the design intentions may be in question).... that is statpadding."  And all too often compare baserape to stat padding and other exploits when there are notable differences.  Bunny hopping  makes you damn near invincible, and earlier on, allowed you to shoot without loosing much in the way of accuracy.  For people with explosive weapons, it made them nigh invincible gods of combat.  When you knife/revive, you're taking up slots in a server to go off away from the main game and gain points for things you're being GIVEN by another play in exchange for the same service.  When you raid a base, regardless of the points you get, you ARE still playing a competative game, and your actions have a bearing on the overall outcome.  Your comparisons to other forms of cheating that EA has expressly banned are, at best incongruous and at worst flat out bullshit.

Ive answered this in another thread... but it fits here as well, and as vengence said, whats the difference between being killed in an uncap versus a cap? Its the same where you get killed, its still boring.

Bla bla bla bla dont "rape the essex" bla bla bla bs bs bs bla bla...... its not fair, its not fun.. bla bla bla... well, if you see me with my back against you, dont shoot me, cause its not fair, i did not know you were behind me. Its not fun for me. Wait til i turn around so i have a chanse.... bla bla bla... its behind my back raping. Bs bs bs(!!!!!!) bla bla if you come running against me with a knife and stab me before i can get of one single shot, its not fair cause i did not have any chanse. You were too fast. Bla bla bla bs bs bs....If i come around a corner and you come with your car and run me down, its not fair. I did not see you, it was not fun for me. I had no chanse... bla bla bla. If i spawn and you happen to be near me, dont shoot, because i just spawned and its our only place left to spawn. Let me kill you and go and get a flag, or else its not fun!!!! And bs bs bs rape bs bs bs rape....



Now ill check if i am still banned from tv2...... Have a nice day...

Last edited by SteikeTa (2006-07-11 08:40:35)

lol, shooternoob, there we go tossing around that lie comment again. it is SOOOO easy to say it, but so tough to back it up. how long have you played this game here? EA addressed it before they patched to fix it saying, much like with uncap raping, that you can be kicked for it at the discretion of an admin. When i dont have a ton of shit to do in real life I will go and see if I cant find the official statements list and see if they still have it from, what, 9 months ago, maybe more? So, no, it's not a lie. please back up your claims of me lying next time instead of just spouting it off. I'll find the statement hopefully by my next post.

and as far as your second "point", I never said EA couldn't do it, yes, it would be a pain in their ass to do something, anything, but I believe i stated why they wouldn't do it. Do I need to repeat myself or should you go back and reread my post???? Ok, short version: Assets couldn't move (you cant just change a map around), and a team can hide in their main making for a very boring, very long game if you couldn't go to their main to make them stop a slow-down tactic. Read my posts before commenting on them, thanks.

and as far as your third comment, you say that there are noticable differences betwixt baseraping and other forms of statpadding. your proof was baseraping is a strategy that reduces tickets for the enemy all the while keeping you alive (at least you will get more kills than deaths most of the time)..... Yet you use bunny hopping and a reference to "explosive weapons" that i can only assume is the grenade launcher. Um, by your own admission those two tactics made you, and i quote, "nigh invincible gods of combat"....... um..... those two "tactics" (really exploits that EA eventually dealt with) are the exact same thing as main raping. You are killing the enemy and staying alive longer typically, all the while using an exploit of the game design..... Those three things (main raping, bunny hopping, and noob tubing) are the EXACT SAME THING!!! You say they are "notable differences", but I fail to see any. noob tubers and bunny hoppers have the exact same effect on the outcome of the game for your team as mainraping, please clarify if you can.

as far as opschief. yea, like i said above, i didnt suggest, or make it seem so, that ea COULDN'T code it for no enemy in certain areas, I believe that they wont for the reasons I listed. The only good stop I could think is to make a line, much like the no enemy line, but then make is so the enemy doesnt get points for kills within that line..... Then youve got another problem arising of the enemy can just sit in there and shoot out, get points, but then the enemy can shoot in but not get points.... *SIGH* there really isn't a good fix for it, which is why I believe EA hasn't addressed it. My whole argument is what EA intended, not what they can or will do. and from there I compare it to other things in the game and so forth and whatnot. we've been through it enough. like you said, there will be servers that cater to both, and that is fine with me.

paranoid101 wrote:

FFS this topic still going on.

Guys your never gonna agree on this matter so just give it up before it becomes too personal.

I think we're still hashing out a few points. Of course we will never agree, thats not the point, i think. I believe it's just trying to gain a greater understanding of the other side. you can't go through life without hearing what the other side has to say. Ignoring them is exactly that: ignorant

You want me to go over...AGAIN...how baseraping is a beatable strategy?  Nooooo.  We've come too far and done that too many times with too many people.  I'll just use the word teamwork once again.  And I fail to see how I've failed to back up any lie comment with either a direct quote or two seconds of research.  If you can't find any of these "official statements" to back it up, don't say it.  It's that simple.  You do have a good point, though, that any sort of attrition damage or barriers related to the main base would lead to people taking advantage of that.  Counters to that would be, though, that they could still do the thing where enemies would still be spotted in the area of the main base without TOO much of an issue, and assets do move...a lot of maps will put assets in different places depending on map size, and often times not all the assets are in the main base, like in Wake Island, Sharqi, or Karkand off hand.

Last edited by PCShooterNoob (2006-07-11 12:42:53)

comet241 wrote:

same goes to you: if you cant back up your statements with proof, dont say them.... dont call everything i say a lie without backing it up. I did indeed look and failed to find anything because I cannot find a copy of any old ROE..... every link i seem to find goes to the ROE page, where there is only the updated version. Alas, as I am very busy today, it seems i will not find it, but i will keep looking when i get more time.

and as far as moving the assets, while i dont think that they couldn't, i just feel like that is too drastic of a measure to deal with a minor issue, and ea probably feels the same. Like i said, we will see how 2142 pans out and if they deal with the issue there.

I guess all my quoting and linking doesn't count as proof.  I don't know what does...I'll get things signed and stamped by a notary, sent through a congressional vote and then tattoed on my ass.

Anyway...we will indeed see when 2142 rolls around...though I haven't honestly given much thought to getting it.  I have plenty of fun with Battlefield 2, but with everything new they add they bring 3 new problems, and since 2142 is completely new, I have my doubts.

M8s,
can we get past the lies and rumors of lies and just provide links to whatever we are trying to quote? lol My old brain is gettin dizzy...

BF2 is like US football. Some rules are touch football, some use flags, some have tackling and some are videogames where only egos get bruised.

let's have a cold 'one' and go kick some ass

OpsChief wrote:

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

bf2 is still a game. when you play a game - play fair
compare it with  boxing. when your opponent is lying on the floor, would you keep on bashing his head until he´s k.o. forever or would you wait like a man, until the 10 seconds are over?

baseraping has no honor, because it is - like the word says itself - raping!

so if your only chance to score is by raping defenseless, what kind of people are you?

baserapist have small PIMMEL!!!

lol this game has little in comparison with boxing especially the Knock Down, Knock Out part. Apples and Oranges. But it would be nice if we had impartial non-participating referees in BF2 wouldn't it?

While baseraping may not be honorable, strategic raids are. It is the particular server rules that dictate which term applies.

"only chance to score" lol that's funny as hell lol good one

*sigh* there's the rub. where does raiding end and raping begin? the question of the century. As ive said before, i support the strategic raid, but where oh where does that change over to raping......