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I wasn't critizing your thinking or facts.  I'm stating my own fact.  SOME MAPS LEND THEMSELVES TO BASERAPING!

If you don't like being baseraped or baseraping the enemy then you can leave the server as you said yourself.

Comet I can see you are adamant in your postion but your arguments have faliled to support your statement that what you call "baseraping is a weak strategy" and other claims. You may not like it, it may not seem very nice to do but it is a very strong strategy as I have said before.

and uh by the way bunny hopping isn't a strategy, it's an individual tactical technic.

1. If baseraping is against the rules it is cheating, stupid and all rapers should be shot if they cheat.

2. However, if there are no rules against it then a) it isnt baseraping and b) strategic raids are a smart thing to do.

As to your "facts". You get fewer points for Strategic Raiding than if you stayed in the infantry melee!!! First if you get to the enemy Main the first attempt without dying it took you 2-3 minutes of not getting points. Then you get to the base and get +4 if you manage to destroy all objectives (Arty, UAV, SAT). If you are still unopposed you are 4-6 minutes into the raid and only earned 4 points!!! No, Raiding is a team level skill and strategy and it reduces potential points....until you get back with the second armored platoon to add to your forces and then can really roll-up the enemy team. You will have gained the initiative and that is the way to win a battle in or out of BF2.

If your strategy is based on getting the most individual points you will be a weak team player relative to a team focussing on the maps battle objectives where they will win more games.

The weakness you are searching for is not being able to figure out how to break an enemy raid up while fighting skirmishes on other parts of the map and that is ALL TEAMWORK and LEADERSHIP. Sometimes it takes your whole army to break a raid. OK call it, make it happen. People need to get off their asses, put their pina coladas down, get out of the Hotel lounge and go play the whole map.

If this is harsh Comet I don't mean it to be as you can use logic well but just need more data. For now go find servers with alot of spawnfences until you are up to the non-linear fight.

Good Luck and Have Fun

Last edited by OpsChief (2006-07-07 19:21:32)

PCShooterNoob wrote:

but you could always just spawn somewhere ELSE, and if it's your only flag, well, your team deserves it for sucking so hard.  Can't expect the other team to sit back and wait for your assault, can you?

Whats funny is no ever spawns anywhere else, They keep spawning there even when they know someone is going to mow them down then they cry about it. Com'on use your head, spawn somewhere else and sneek up on them, stop bitching. and yes if your team sucks you deserve to get raped.


I <3 base raping, especially when I have my crew on vent and we play "take over the carrier" raping since '05 bitches.

base raping is fun and you know it. kthx

Last edited by TehMyke (2006-07-07 19:17:34)

OpsChief wrote:

lmao shooternoob!!!! rofl lol hahahaaa  hmmmm goats? naaaa

The server I play on kicks ass,  no fences just war  skill or be pwned

I more or less suck (Again..hence the name, but I'd like to think I'm doing okay for myself considering I'd never played a mouse and keyboard game before BF2), but when I get back to college and my computer up there, I'd love to play in whatever server that is.  I'm pushed to do better when I'm constantly getting my ass handed to me.

genius_man16 wrote:

the only time i mind raping uncaps is on Karkand, but other than that, if you only have 1 flag... deal with it

why can't you just sneak away and cap a back flag for your team? 99.99% of the time, when your getting spawn raped, the whole enemy team is there doing it, so you'll have free rein to take a different flag (gotta watch for the commander though...

Exactly...just walk away.  It's an uncappable base, so it's not like you have to stay and make sure they don't take the flag.  Walk away...and be a squad leader if possible so that others can follow your example.  When you suddenly take a spawn point, their team has to split up, and the disarray usually leads to a good chance to make a comeback.

DSRTurtle wrote:

The servers I frequent generally have a rule against raping uncaps unless it's the only base left for the enemy.  Then it's fair game until the enemy is able to capture another base. 

Kubra dam comes to mind here.

While on the USMC side we got raped for the 1st 5 minutes of the game until we got out by taking the Intake and blowing up their assets and then shooting down their jets.  We won the round 100+ to 0.  Then we swicted sides and won 150 - 0 by not letting them take the Intake and when they took the construction site and lower dam, they lost those almost as fast as they took them.

The biggest difference between the 2 teams.  Communication.

The team I was playing against had some good players who understood what they needed to do.  They just didn't have as much help as the team I was on.

btw I was the commander for our team when we were the MEC.

Damn straight, dude.  Like OpsChief said...leadership and teamwork can make baseraping as dangerous as it is useful.  All it takes is communication and common sense.

If all flags are capped its time to rape the main period & not let them back out, as soon as a flag is taken away I goto that flag.

Unless of course its against the server rules.

I dont like when it happens to me but hey I usually get away & cap a flag, if I can't then I just find another server or dont spawn that much until next round.

One guy said I was raping a spawn while in a tank, I told him politely that if he removed all the mines I would be glad to cap the flag. no response from him.

Plisken wrote:

Most people who rape un-capturables (like arty island on wake etc) are point whores and can't accept that it's only a game and think that by having alot of points is gonna make them 1337,
eg. I've seen 2 j-10's bomb that island even after they lost all their spawn points until they were attacked by a f15

You can't read, can you?  We've already given about 700 (Or maybe 5...) reasons why "baseraping" is useful for more than just point whoring.  And since you're probably the sniveling cockbite who gave me neg karma...and even if you're not...I'm going to once again say what I've said in this thread a million times.  BASERAPING DOES SUCK ON WAKE ISLAND.  IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT...DON'T PLAY FUCKING WAKE ISLAND.  I certainly don't, and I'm over it.

Players that main rape when all the flags are not taken, are no better than those that TK for vehicles, choppers, and planes.  Just another 2 cents.

OGGBlueGoose wrote:

Players that main rape when all the flags are not taken, are no better than those that TK for vehicles, choppers, and planes.  Just another 2 cents.

That's a fair enough assessment.  I don't main rape when all the other flags aren't taken, though not because I find it cheap, but because I find it a stupid thing to do.  I base rape once the enemy is contained, but leaving them with a base elsewhere while you assault their main is idiotic...you're allowing them to hurt you elsewhere.

And comet, I said before, I'm pretty much done acknowledging you...if you want to argue against baseraping, argue with OpsChief and ANY of his points.  All you've done with my arguments is respond with lies about both what I've said AND what you've said yourself.  Start quoting in your responses like I've done, because otherwise it pretty much looks like everything you've said is a complete lie.  I haven't ignored your comments, I've counter argued them.

"a reflection on how you act in real life in regards to doing anything to get ahead, not what you brought up. read please."

If you believe somewhere in your tiny brain that something said in an online forum in regards to a video game can in any way gauge how a person acts in real life, you need to get out more.  A lot more.  Not to mention of course, that you're misconstrwing everything I say, which is why I'm sure you won't actually quote me on a single line of it.  As for baseraping being against rules or not...again, none of my arguments have been about that.  Read OpsChief's statement about why baseraping is productive. 

Also read his statement about your argument from an intelligent standpoint.  You haven't made a single intelligent and neutral argument about why it's cheap.  You've gone off on personal rants about why YOU think it's cheap, and why YOU don't do it.  And that's fine, but that doesn't really speak to anyone but you.  And no, I didn't call him a cockbite for arguing against me.  I like a good argument.  I called whoever it was who negative karma'd me that.  Not that it matters.  I got tons of positive karma for all of these posts, and now, since neg karma doesn't matter, the one point of it I got for all this is now gone, so my 7 positive Karma streak since all this began remains in tact.

In the end, we can come up with actual,unbiased reasons why baseraping can produce results, and all you can do is piss and moan about why you personally don't like it, and then go on to talk about sportsmanship and hide behind it.  I haven't insulted morals or sportmanship yet, but you continue to say things like, "I find it most funny that you take offense at someone with morals." And, "Feel free to continue flaming me because I stand up for sportsmanship and fair play.... go on. I know i will sleep well at night." You have to lie about the things I've said to make yourself sound at all reputable or intelligent.  And that's fine.  But if you're going to say things like that from now on, do what I just did...put it in quotes.  Stop spouting lies about things I've said, and start arguing the points that OpsChief, DSRTurtle, and I myself have made. 

I'm not going to argue with immature liars anymore, so when you can start actually taking my quotes and countering them like an intelligent person, then we'll talk, until then, I'm done dealing with you.  You've gone on these long rants about Sportmanship and morals, and all you've done on this thread is lie, slander, and make snap judgements about people.  Then when someone calls you on it, you take 3 words they've said, twist them, and villify the person while you pretend to be boyscout Captain America based on a single belief you hold but cannot defend.  Your hypocracy is astounding, and you are quite possibly the lowest form of life I've ever seen on this forum.  Idiots and noobs are one thing, but you...you actually sink so low as to flat out lie about what people have said, and then make complete character judgments based on virtually nothing.  So cheers to you.  Stick to the issue.

Last edited by PCShooterNoob (2006-07-08 13:16:05)

Ok, well, I refuse to clutter up these pages even more with a quote to your long and rambling posts, so I will just reference back to them in my direct comments. I do not know where I have lied, as you claim, about what you have said, and thereby ignoring any comments I have made about the actual issue, but I will do my best here and try not to quote you too much because apparently it’s all just a lie anywho...

Well, I feel that I have indeed submitted evidence against the need to baserape, but maybe it was in a form that you couldn’t understand, or didn’t read, so I will repeat it all under one post now in a, hopefully, clearer manner.

First of all, yes, baseraping can produce results. Often times it is the cause of a victory, or often the nail in the coffin for the other team. Sometimes it can backfire, but most often, at the very least, it is a few easy kills.

I say it is a few easy kills because it doesn’t take much skill to sit outside of an uncappable main and for  some tank rounds inside, or to constantly strafe it with your jet…. Easy kills. That’s not the problem I have here. We all enjoy a few easy kills from time to time. However, I believe that EA has designed the game and meant for us to not rape a main…. My beliefs don’t stem from this “ill-conceived high horse” you claim I sit upon. Hopefully, I will show you what I mean.

EA has designed certain maps with uncappable flags. These are bases where only one side can spawn…. Period. Outside of the odd asset here and there, there is no particular need for an enemy to go there other than to catch people just as they are spawning, and at their weakest (this is where I link my earlier comments as it being a “weak strategy”, hitting people when they are at their weakest). To which you reply: isn’t that the whole point of warfare??? YES! I say…. However, it’s a game, and it has limitations. I always attack in the game at points where, or situations where, the enemy is at their weakest or I have the greatest advantage. Any good player will do that. However, I will show you why the uncap raping is not meant by EA, and this one particular sort of attacking the enemy when they are weakest is unfair.

Going back to my point, EA designed the game with certain maps having uncappable flags. These flags were not meant for the enemy to really be there. You say: then why do they have defenses? I say: because EA was smart enough to realize that certain unsavory types would try to subvert their design to gain an unfair advantage (I’ll keep explaining why it’s unfair later, don’t get your panties in a bunch). Let me think here…. Where else did somebody subvert the games design to gain an unfair advantage….. oh, DOLPHIN DIVING!!!!! I remember those days…. Dolphin diving…. We all know what that is so I don’t feel the need to explain it, but it was something that was legitimately a part of the game, somebody could do it, it was allowed….. but it wasn’t meant to be that way. Eventually EA did away with it thanks to a little reprogramming. Why did they do away with it? Because it was using something that, while legitimately a part of the game, wasn’t designed to be used that way. EA never intended for people to dolphin dive as much as they never intended for uncap raping the way it is occurring today.

Yes, those mounted weapons were put there, but it wasn’t expected for much more than the occasional straggler to come along and hit a main. There are many maps out there that are set up in a way that, according to main rapers logic, allows main raping either instantly or within moments… maps such as Karkand, Sharqi, Wake, Warlord… All of them are set up where one side can pretty much, again according to main raper logic, instantly head off to the enemy uncaps for a free ticket to easy points. I honestly don’t believe this was EA’s intentions. For example, on karkand, are you saying that the Mec have an instant invite to take their tank on up the road into the American main??? I highly doubt that was ever EA’s intention, and although they did put a tow and two mounted mg’s there…. It’s not much to stop a whole army from raping the American uncap there…. Which again shows that EA never intended for that to ever really happen, yet according to raper logic, is perfectly fine. Karkand is set up as a giant trap for the Americans. Every approach can be blocked or mined and already gives the mec a huge advantage on the map. That is how I believe the map was designed. Not for the mec to come to the Americans.

Also, much like Karkand, I feel Sharqi is set up the same way. The Americans hold the city and it is the job of the mec to come and liberate it, not for the Americans to go to the mec. It is a giant bushwhack in the city and the Americans already have the advantage, which is why there is very little in the way of defenses at the mec uncaps, it just wasn’t meant to happen there.

Wake is a bad one. A really bad one. I suppose EA never imagined a tank on either tip of the shores, a chopper hovering over the arty island, and two jets at the carrier swooping down over and over and over and over…. Which is why the means for the Americans to get to the main island are woefully unprepared for a raping strategy….. Further proof that EA never intended for uncap raping in the first place.

This isn’t me sitting upon my “ill conceived high horse” dictating my will to the rest of the BF2 community, this is my honest belief that EA never intended for uncap raping in the first place, and to do so is to receive and unfair advantage over your opponent, one that I don’t need or want. It isn’t unfair of me ask that everyone get the same chance in the game. I don’t use the hotel glitch at karkand for the same reason, it is an unfair advantage, that while is technically allowed in the game, it gives the person using it an unfair advantage that nobody deserves. Do you use the karkand glitch or support people doing so? Much in the same way I feel uncap raping is gaining an unfair advantage on people when the game wasn’t designed that way.

I, also, have received an enormous amount of positive karma from these posts, showing that as much as people may support your views, they also support mine to. I just happen to have the inability to shut up and always state my opinion.

I feel that the maps are set up in a way to have a certain flow to them, the uncap defenses are limited enough to really only twart minor offenses, and the ticket burning feature rewards those who have capped all the flags already without a need to go to the main to further reduce tickets…… For these reasons I believe uncap raping was never meant to happen and I refuse to accept the advantage it would give me because it would be like exploiting a weakness in the games design, something I don’t need to win and nobody else really should either.

OGGBlueGoose wrote:

So fair, in my humble opinion. I have not read one good reason why anyone should Main Rape before all other flags are captured. 
I believe that servers that put up with it will soon go by the wayside, and have no players on them.  Players that enjoy the game will not put up with it.

You're right Blue I missed that part of your question.

When fighting the modern battlefield the idea is to get "inside the enemy decision cycle" or to act faster than his ability to plan coherently and apply needed forces when and where they need to go. One way to do this is to outflank the bastards or conduct strategic raids on vital assets. Once you have the enemy flank or Main base they then must fight in 360 degrees which reduces their effectiveness. If you have done well, they must pull some people of the "front" lines to answer the Raids or flanking manuevers, or to have increased security patrols, so if you time it well you hit hard just as you notice them splitting forces. Then strategic pwnage ensues.

OK if you focus all your forces in the Stratgic Raid and don't secure your own rear areas then the enemy can easily counter if they know how to use teamwork and the whole battle goes non-linear and that is when the fun starts. It becomes an intense leadership and teamwork stress test. lol

Spawn Camping and base Raping are not univerally accepted concepts in BF2 as they may have been in Far Cry etc.. "Base or Main raping" only exists on some servers that have posted rules against it. If there is no rule against it it doesn't exist so on those servers it is called raiding.

There are alot more of the servers with the rules like no spawn camping that make BF2 much easier to play than those with the harsh Non-Linear 360 Degree rules. Once you master the individual level come up to strategic level and revel in the mad chaos.

Good Luck and Have Fun

PCShooterNoob wrote:

I don't really have too much of a problem with base raping.  It's annoying yeah, but you could always just spawn somewhere ELSE, and if it's your only flag, well, your team deserves it for sucking so hard.  Can't expect the other team to sit back and wait for your assault, can you?

Not many people realise this, but on wake it can nearly be impossible to get to the island if there is a Z-10 and 2 j-10's  circling around the arty island and carrier, it takes em 20 seconds to get there and the tanks from the south or north bases take out any one who gets from the arty island to the beach's.