Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6783|Texas - Bigger than France

RicardoBlanco wrote:

See most countries do care what the rest of the world thinks of them. The fact that yours goes around doing whatever it likes to satisfy it's economic interests and doesn't give a flying fuck what other people think is why you get bombed...it's a really simple concept. Incidentally, what are you running for?

Everyone else has a foreign policy too, only difference being ours doesn't include invading countries and plundering resources. You'll find we get on rather well with other countries, even the ones we hate like the French. If you want something you ask for it, not act like the bully and take whatever you feel like.
For some reason I think this is funny - you work for Harley and ride a Harley.  Indirectly employed by an American company overseas, talking about US economic interests overseas and being a bully.

I'm not saying it's wrong to feel that way - plently of people work for US firms and don't support the war.

It's just Friday.  What's amusing me is I'm imagining a leather-clad dude on a shovel head with an English accent telling other people they are a bully.  LOL.

Do Harley clubs in the UK have the same US stereotype?  Do you have a Tat of the Union Jack and a Football somewhere?
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6790|Southeastern USA
he's just pissed cuz there's no resources in the uk we want to invade his country for so we can steal it and hide it in our secret bunkers in nort dakota of oil and gold and diamonds and german porn that only americans know about

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Horseman 77
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heman6666 wrote:

ehh i dont think the usa won ww2 by itself, russia won the damn war and would have conquered all of europe and blowed the americans away i 1 sec if they wanted to do it.
Really, when did they develop the Atomic Bomb ? lol
Jeret03
Member
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If you really want to get back on topic, consider this:

Along with many enemies, the US has TONS of allies.  I know most of you would disagree with that but think about this.  If we were ever attacked or invaded by a country, who would help?  I am willing to bet that just about all of Europe would. 

You KNOW that the US will come to any free country's aid if they are attacked by outsiders, everyone knows that. 

Honestly though, when would this matter?  Major wars are not fought on the ground, the majority of fighting will be in the air.  Ground forces now are just sent in for cleanup and security.  I see the US facing an even More dangerous threat now, something that we will have to deal with ourselves, terrorism.  Our country is so big and vast that it's going to be hard to protect it from terrorists.  I don't see us being threatened in any way besides this any time soon.   Our Air Force is just too powerful and we're too isolated ( i don't think we'll have to ever worry about Canada or Mexico!).
whittsend
PV1 Joe Snuffy
+78|6999|MA, USA
I was with you until you wrote this:

Jeret03 wrote:

Major wars are not fought on the ground, the majority of fighting will be in the air.  Ground forces now are just sent in for cleanup and security.
Where on earth would you get an idea like this?  That is a technologist's fantasy.  War is nasty, complicated and dangerous; there will always be a major role for the ground pounders.

Last edited by whittsend (2006-07-07 11:50:39)

PekkaA
Member
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Horseman 77 wrote:

heman6666 wrote:

ehh i dont think the usa won ww2 by itself, russia won the damn war and would have conquered all of europe and blowed the americans away i 1 sec if they wanted to do it.
Really, when did they develop the Atomic Bomb ? lol
Well, it was one funny haired german and one germans son who got his education from europe and a bunch of european assistants...

Last edited by PekkaA (2006-07-07 14:40:24)

Jeret03
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whittsend wrote:

I was with you until you wrote this:

Jeret03 wrote:

Major wars are not fought on the ground, the majority of fighting will be in the air.  Ground forces now are just sent in for cleanup and security.
Where on earth would you get an idea like this?  That is a technologist's fantasy.  War is nasty, complicated and dangerous; there will always be a major role for the ground pounders.
Yes, of course there will always be a need for groundpounders, just absolutely nothing like wars in the past.  The days of losing mass ground troops is over.  The ammount of troops we've lost in this war in iraq is nothing compared to vietnam or ww2.  The majority of the war is being faught in the skies.
Horseman 77
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PekkaA wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

heman6666 wrote:

ehh i dont think the usa won ww2 by itself, russia won the damn war and would have conquered all of europe and blowed the americans away i 1 sec if they wanted to do it.
Really, when did they develop the Atomic Bomb ? lol
Well, it was one funny haired german and one germans son who got his education from europe and a bunch of european assistants...
If you are referring to Einstein, He wasn't part of the American Bomb project. He did write a letter to FDR strongly pleading the case for the Bombs development, Thats all. You are right however that the smartest Europeans if not the worlds smartest men imagrated and lived in The USA by choice. (nobody moved to Australia lol ) Even Werner Von Braun made a real effort to make contact with US troops and immigrate, why do you suppose?

The USSR bought A bomb plans from the " infamous  rosenberg's " who were caught and executed for their treachery.
Then the USSR was able to develop the bomb I believe they exploded their first in 1948.
Their first Delivery system was a copy of a B29 they " interned/stole " from the US while we were their allies.  Had we not opened up an all weather port for them and kept them fed and supplied with munitions all through WWII, Germany alone could have broken their back. they certainly were no threat to Allied forces. The threat of rearming The Captive SS Divisions alone was enough to make them sweat. The country was scum. With the exception of a few misguided children, we are all glad to be rid of the USSR are we not ?

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unnamednewbie13
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heman6666 wrote:

ehh i dont think the usa won ww2 by itself, russia won the damn war and would have conquered all of europe and blowed the americans away i 1 sec if they wanted to do it.
Russia was hurting so much by the end of WW2 that the US was contemplating going to war against them to end their particular brand of communism. Germany could have also been very easily remobilized against them with allied support...

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-07-08 16:25:00)

Poseidon417
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Marconius wrote:

There's quite a difference between a country being angry at another's foreign policies and them being angry at the actual society/people of the other country.
Agreed.

Speaking that we AMERICANS aren't too happy with our foreign policies, speaking bush's approval rating is 20 somewhat.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6803

Horseman 77 wrote:

(nobody moved to Australia lol )
Your point?
Horseman 77
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just teasing you ! We love and Respect Australia, It borders on awe.

Mares in straight stalls to you!

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Pinto
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RicardoBlanco wrote:

comet241 wrote:

do you think we really care what the rest of the world thinks about us? we're not out to win a popularity contest, this isn't 8th grade class president we are running for.... WE DON'T CARE!!!!!


nobody else seems to have a foreign policy other than let the UN take care of it.... too bad it doesn't work and is a drain of money and time. Somebody has to police the world to keep a repeat of WWI and part II.
See most countries do care what the rest of the world thinks of them. The fact that yours goes around doing whatever it likes to satisfy it's economic interests and doesn't give a flying fuck what other people think is why you get bombed...it's a really simple concept. Incidentally, what are you running for?

Everyone else has a foreign policy too, only difference being ours doesn't include invading countries and plundering resources. You'll find we get on rather well with other countries, even the ones we hate like the French. If you want something you ask for it, not act like the bully and take whatever you feel like.
"Plundering resources?"  Please enlighten us on which resources the US has acquired?  If you're going to say oil, I would think it would be back to $1/gallon and not $3/gallon.
comet241
Member
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pinto, there is no use arguing with blanco, he will only ignore well-thought out posts (see my post after that one...) and debate only points he wants without regard to logic or fact. my thoughts exactly on the current price of gasoline. Some people who really really hate this country just cant stand it when we put our money, lives, and credibility on the line to take out an evil dictator. they will find something, anything, to destroy what we have gained for the good of humanity at the sake of their own face.
mntranger
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oug wrote:

Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well. So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. If you arnt French I would be really surprised. I dont even know where to start you ignorant fuckstick. No country in the history of the world had produced more war tonnage for ALLIED nations then the US. We produced more war equiptment for our Allies then any nation in history had produced for its self. Although we didnt dedicate troops at the outbreak of war, we were shipping allies (primarily England) support from the fucking get go. We provided more VOLUNTEER units to our allies in WW 2 than any onther nation had provided in the history of the world. Those were US citizens that went to fight YOUR war!!! After the war we spent more money and resources rebuilding Europe than any other nation had helped another in the history of the world. I can go on with this shit for days. Ya the US screws up plenty of shit and I dont agree with everything my govt does and has done but when the bell rings and its time to go we step up to help any nation that may need assistance. We donate more to other nations in peace time than ANY OTHER FUCKING NATION IN HISTORY!!! These are all facts and cannot be disputed. You may not like the US, you liberal fucking puke sticks, but the next time France rolls over we will certainly be there to help once again. You are an ungratful ignorant fool. I wish you kids today had the opportunity to grow up during the cold war, never mind earlier, you would know what sacrifce is and that you are not guaranteed anything in life. So go drink your fucking latte and eat your fucking scone you friking mary!

Last edited by mntranger (2006-07-10 00:04:25)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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mntranger wrote:

oug wrote:

Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well. So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. If you arnt French I would be really surprised. I dont even know where to start you ignorant fuckstick. No country in the history of the world had produced more war tonnage for ALLIED nations then the US. We produced more war equiptment for our Allies then any nation in history had produced for its self. Although we didnt dedicate troops at the outbreak of war, we were shipping allies (primarily England) support from the fucking get go. We provided more VOLUNTEER units to our allies in WW 2 than any onther nation had provided in the history of the world. Those were US citizens that went to fight YOUR war!!! After the war we spent more money and resources rebuilding Europe than any other nation had helped another in the history of the world. I can go on with this shit for days. Ya the US screws up plenty of shit and I dont agree with everything my govt does and has done but when the bell rings and its time to go we step up to help any nation that may need assistance. We donate more to other nations in peace time than ANY OTHER FUCKING NATION IN HISTORY!!! These are all facts and cannot be disputed. You may not like the US, you liberal fucking puke sticks, but the next time France rolls over we will certainly be there to help once again. You are an ungratful ignorant fool. I wish you kids today had the opportunity to grow up during the cold war, never mind earlier, you would know what sacrifce is and that you are not guaranteed anything in life. So go drink your fucking latte and eat your fucking scone you friking mary!
Brash, to understate.

Apart from the 'he would've kicked your asses as well', he is completely correct.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
mntranger
Member
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Yes very brash, maybe to much so. He is correct about what though? He made a few personal opinions, didnt see any stated facts and his statements are contradictory to historical facts. How could he be right. He certainly is right to have his own opinion. But where EXACTLY is he correct?

Last edited by mntranger (2006-07-10 03:39:13)

mntranger
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I re-read his post again. I am actually more perplexed now. How are we in ANY way like Germany in 1939? We have a standing military, we haven't nor do we need to build one in secret due to losing a previous war. Our govt, although there policy is questionable at times is strong and in no need for a political figure such as Hitler. We hadn't invaded a neighboring country without notice, we certainly havn't persecuted a particular religion, we haven't murdered gays, and the handicapped. Bush hasn't abolished the constitution (although others may disagree :>) I am sure I haven't hit upon nearly all of the issues facing Germany in 1939 but I cannot see how the US is anything like the Germans in 1939. Now, when and why exactly have we looked for sympathy? When exactly have we tried to conquer the world? Please fill me in because if we now own the world I'm going on vacation. Please make a literate point because I very much enjoy debate. Just so no one is mistaken, I have not once stated that the US is infallible or guilt free in the state that the world sits today, but I will say in my opinion, that the world very likely, though not definetly, would be a much worse place to live if the US did not become what it has today. THe US certainly did not win WW2 or really any war in our short history by ourselves and every nation that stood with the allies should be very proud of the mark they have left on history. France, you dont get that privilage. Oh, by the way, I have a WW2 French rifle for sale, only dropped once.

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Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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I think his comment was more about expansionism, but that doesn't make it any less non-sensical..............
whittsend
PV1 Joe Snuffy
+78|6999|MA, USA

Jeret03 wrote:

whittsend wrote:

I was with you until you wrote this:

Jeret03 wrote:

Major wars are not fought on the ground, the majority of fighting will be in the air.  Ground forces now are just sent in for cleanup and security.
Where on earth would you get an idea like this?  That is a technologist's fantasy.  War is nasty, complicated and dangerous; there will always be a major role for the ground pounders.
Yes, of course there will always be a need for groundpounders, just absolutely nothing like wars in the past.  The days of losing mass ground troops is over.  The ammount of troops we've lost in this war in iraq is nothing compared to vietnam or ww2.  The majority of the war is being faught in the skies.
Sorry, I can't disagree enough with the last sentence.  The majority of war is still conducted on the ground.  Air is nice...when you can get it.  But the simple fact is that boots on the ground do the work of war.  Air is support.
USAFDude_1988
Will fly for food.
+120|6750|Daytona Beach, FL

oug wrote:

Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well. So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
Well Hitler never managed to kick the UK's ass. A country that was only 25 miles away from German-occupied France... so how could Hitler even manage to pull off an assault across thousands of miles of Atlantic water?!

Germany in 1939:
- Annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia.
- Invaded Poland.

So if the United States is what you say it is.. we should have annexed Mexico by now and around the first of September we're gonna start an invasion of Canada?

Let's also not forget the fact that us Americans take our freedoms seriously. I'm insulted that you relate our government to the horrific nightmare that was the Third Reich. President Bush might not accept homosexuality.. but he respects human life enough that he's not systematically killing them off at prison camps across the country. If this government was anything like the Third Reich, people like Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan would've lost their lives years ago.

Why don't you go down to the suburb of Glyfada in Athens and take a look? It's obvious your feelings of anti-Americanism isn't shared by your fellow citizens. Every time I'm down there I see that T.G.I. Friday's and Applebee's - both American restaurants - are completely packed. I suggest that you eat at one of them.. they both have good food!

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Horseman 77
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Slapped him down hard but he had it coming!
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
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The odd thing is that you never see anti-Canadian topics (unless someone can dig a few up). Always targeting the big dog, they are. I don't know what it is of your business that a non-citizen is creating a poll on the way our goverment is running the show.
Hey, maybe we should have created a poll showing English approval of Ayatollah Khomeni's government and then sent it to them. Keep worrying about your own country unless you have something actually important to say. Ideally, nothing will affect the rest of the world, so you needn't talk about what the United States has to face in the future.

CORRECTION: There IS, in fact, at least one anti-Israeli topic....

Last edited by DesertFox423 (2006-07-13 17:59:10)

oug
Calmer than you are.
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USAFDude_1988 wrote:

oug wrote:

Its funny how the americans think they made Europe a favor in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well. So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be.
Its time to realize that you are today what Germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the Germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
Well Hitler never managed to kick the UK's ass. A country that was only 25 miles away from German-occupied France... so how could Hitler even manage to pull off an assault across thousands of miles of Atlantic water?!

Germany in 1939:
- Annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia.
- Invaded Poland.

So if the United States is what you say it is.. we should have annexed Mexico by now and around the first of September we're gonna start an invasion of Canada?

Let's also not forget the fact that us Americans take our freedoms seriously. I'm insulted that you relate our government to the horrific nightmare that was the Third Reich. President Bush might not accept homosexuality.. but he respects human life enough that he's not systematically killing them off at prison camps across the country. If this government was anything like the Third Reich, people like Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan would've lost their lives years ago.

Why don't you go down to the suburb of Glyfada in Athens and take a look? It's obvious your feelings of anti-Americanism isn't shared by your fellow citizens. Every time I'm down there I see that T.G.I. Friday's and Applebee's - both American restaurants - are completely packed. I suggest that you eat at one of them.. they both have good food!
It is generally difficult to say what would have happened in WWII, because the timing of the Germans' fall was critical in many ways. For example, at that point the missile technology was being perfected by the Nazis. If they had a little more time, it is said they could have changed the face of warfare as it was known back then. But that is besides the point.
Do not forget that you have helped dictatorships into power all over south America, and thus the US controls the whole area with the exception of Castro's Cuba and Chavez's Venezuela. Generally you must realize that times have changed and that the USA will not invade Mexico and Canada the way Germany invaded Poland. So long as Mexico and Canada do as they are told by the US, that's the way its going to be. Invasion is not the only means of control now days. There's far more "civilized" and subtle ways which it seems, you choose not to see.
As far as concentration camps go, the most famous is Guantanamo, but there are others in small tropical islands as well.
You spoke of freedom... Well I'm not sure how free you people are lately. In my humble opinion the average American was never "more" free than the average European for example, although you Americans tend to think so (on what grounds I don't know). Lately though, fear has guided you people into voting several legislations whose goal is none other than to limit your freedom, based on the excuse that there are terrorists out there who mean to kill you.
And what is it with you people talking about freedom and somehow linking it to fags? Homosexuals and their rights have absolutely NOTHING to do with this conversation. I couldn't care less about them, cause after all they are just people with an illness so that makes them no different in the eyes of the law or the state.
And as far as Michael Moore goes, I gathered from his films that he is a democrat and that his efforts aim at bringing his favorite party into power once again. In short, there are other voices who are being muted by your government because they speak of far worse truths than Moore (take Chomsky for example). And again, times have changed. Killing Moore or Cindy Sheehan (I don't know her) would only prove them right and make them martyrs of their cause. There are better ways of silencing people, like spreading rumors and destroying their credibility, making them look like the nutcase of the village.

Finally, know that I am not attacking the American people or the culture. After all I like burgers and I listen to 99% American and British music. You could say I am American bred. Americans are great people. I have been to the USA twice and I can say that they are the less malevolent people I have ever seen. But this innate desire to do good is being used by your government against the American people. Proof? Two preemptive wars and still you can't see the connection.
BTW applebee's and TGI Fridays are great but a bit expensive here in Greece. If you come over I can suggest a few burger joints that kick ass
ƒ³
Horseman 77
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This whole topic is surreal. Concentration camp is a relative term. Gitmo is like club med compared to the " Next best one " run by any other country

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