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is global warming a real threat

yes71%71% - 337
no28%28% - 135
Total: 472
iamangry
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jimmanycricket wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

good luck living in a radiation shit hole
you really do not understand do you this is a simple picture of how it works
http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/n … eactor.swf
note how the radioactive water is in a closed cycle, the radioactive water never leaves the plant.

and for your information

as quoted from howstuffworks.com

A coal-fired power plant actually releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere than a properly functioning nuclear power plant.

look things up please.

oh and the uranium is radioactive anyway we are just letting of some of its energy.

radioactive is cleanest  effective type of powerr.

screw this im gonna go watch war of the worlds, it makes more sense then what half of you are saying.
I am so glad we have someone who has a firm grasp of the safe and clean nature of nuclear power.  I notice a number of people mentioning things like volcanos and what not and their contributions to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.  These are good points all, however they don't address one very important thing.  There is highly tangible evidence to suggest that there is global warming as a result of the oncoming of industry, it has been referenced by several people in this thread.  Natural global warming cycles occur slowly, over great periods of time.  Since we cannot be sure that our emissions of various gasses has no effect on this process.  This uncertainty leaves us with a choice, and four possibilities. 

1:We have affected the process and we dont stop, in which case all sorts of problems occur with the environment
2:We have affected the process and we stop, in which case we avoid an environmental disaster
3:We have not affected the process and we stop, in which case at least the air is cleaner and our energy infrastructure is more sustainable
4:We have not affected the process and we dont stop, in which case nothing changes

Until there is more information on the subject, until there is more data, we cannot be sure about whether we've affected the process or not.  This means if we choose not to stop we are effectively choosing to gamble with our environment.
Vilham
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iamangry wrote:

jimmanycricket wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

good luck living in a radiation shit hole
you really do not understand do you this is a simple picture of how it works
http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/n … eactor.swf
note how the radioactive water is in a closed cycle, the radioactive water never leaves the plant.

and for your information

as quoted from howstuffworks.com

A coal-fired power plant actually releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere than a properly functioning nuclear power plant.

look things up please.

oh and the uranium is radioactive anyway we are just letting of some of its energy.

radioactive is cleanest  effective type of powerr.

screw this im gonna go watch war of the worlds, it makes more sense then what half of you are saying.
I am so glad we have someone who has a firm grasp of the safe and clean nature of nuclear power.  I notice a number of people mentioning things like volcanos and what not and their contributions to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.  These are good points all, however they don't address one very important thing.  There is highly tangible evidence to suggest that there is global warming as a result of the oncoming of industry, it has been referenced by several people in this thread.  Natural global warming cycles occur slowly, over great periods of time.  Since we cannot be sure that our emissions of various gasses has no effect on this process.  This uncertainty leaves us with a choice, and four possibilities. 

1:We have affected the process and we dont stop, in which case all sorts of problems occur with the environment
2:We have affected the process and we stop, in which case we avoid an environmental disaster
3:We have not affected the process and we stop, in which case at least the air is cleaner and our energy infrastructure is more sustainable
4:We have not affected the process and we dont stop, in which case nothing changes

Until there is more information on the subject, until there is more data, we cannot be sure about whether we've affected the process or not.  This means if we choose not to stop we are effectively choosing to gamble with our environment.
Boom head shot your spot on. Anyone that even attempts to argue with this is a true fucktard.
herrr_smity
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jimmanycricket wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

good luck living in a radiation shit hole
you really do not understand do you this is a simple picture of how it works
http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/n … eactor.swf
note how the radioactive water is in a closed cycle, the radioactive water never leaves the plant.
Yes but you will have to change the fuel rodes ever once in a wile and they are highly radioactive


jimmanycricket wrote:

A coal-fired power plant actually releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere than a properly functioning nuclear power plant.
no shit

jimmanycricket wrote:

look things up please.
I did i am an electrician i know very well how it works.
Cheeky_Ninja06
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technically the hole in the ozone is pretty much gone thanks to the abandonment of chloroflurocarbons (cfc's) and living in a radioactive shit hole?? what does that mean exactly?

is everything going to be glowing green? or will we all have super powers?

direct over exposure to radiation can cause cancer through mutation of our DNA. but then again everything causes cancer so no real worry there.

i think the problem with cow farts is the methane (CH4) and its true more c02 = more o2 through photosynthesis as i said earlier.

change the fuel rods? put them back in the ground. if anythin they are less radioactive then when they came out of the ground.



ALSO we are not making the most extreme temp change. as previously quoted the globe has gone from glacial to present day conditions in a decade on more than one occaison............

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-06-26 10:57:51)

G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|6689|Sea to globally-cooled sea
are we so arrogant as to think that we could, in a half a century, really change the climate of the entire earth to such a radical extent that we could in effect destroy it?
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6829|UK

herrr_smity wrote:

Yes but you will have to change the fuel rodes ever once in a wile and they are highly radioactive
Yes and they can be burrowed into the silt that is about 40m deep at the bottom of the sea, you simple encase the rods in a concrete block shaped like a bullet and then drop it into the sea, its PE will then allow it to gain enough speed to burrow about 20m into this silt where it will never see the light of day till the 10000 years for their atoms to decay fully.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6829|UK

G3|Genius wrote:

are we so arrogant as to think that we could, in a half a century, really change the climate of the entire earth to such a radical extent that we could in effect destroy it?
it has nothing to do with arrogance, thats like saying are we realy so arrogant as to think that we could erradicate over 10000 species in the last 200 years, the simple fact is that we HAVE infact we have probably killed 3x that number seeing as we dont even know all the species that inhabit this planet. You have to understand that we have managed to burn at least 50% of all know oil reserves and coal deposites in only 200 years, those deposites have taken millions of years to form and we manage to release them in an incredible short amount of time.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|6869|Orlando, FL - Age 43
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Darth_Fleder in http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=7803  wrote:

Destroying the Earth is harder than you may have been led to believe.

You've seen the action movies where the bad guy threatens to destroy the Earth. You've heard people on the news claiming that the next nuclear war or cutting down rainforests or persisting in releasing hideous quantities of pollution into the atmosphere threatens to end the world.

Fools.

The Earth was built to last. It is a 4,550,000,000-year-old, 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000-tonne ball of iron. It has taken more devastating asteroid hits in its lifetime than you've had hot dinners, and lo, it still orbits merrily. So my first piece of advice to you, dear would-be Earth-destroyer, is: do NOT think this will be easy.

This is not a guide for wusses whose aim is merely to wipe out humanity. I (Sam Hughes) can in no way guarantee the complete extinction of the human race via any of these methods, real or imaginary. Humanity is wily and resourceful, and many of the methods outlined below will take many years to even become available, let alone implement, by which time mankind may well have spread to other planets; indeed, other star systems. If total human genocide is your ultimate goal, you are reading the wrong document. There are far more efficient ways of doing this, many which are available and feasible RIGHT NOW. Nor is this a guide for those wanting to annihilate everything from single-celled life upwards, render Earth uninhabitable or simply conquer it. These are trivial goals in comparison.

This is a guide for those who do not want the Earth to be there anymore.

To find out more.......follow the link.

http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6829|UK

Darth_Fleder wrote:

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media … 73o25f.jpg

Darth_Fleder in http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=7803  wrote:

Destroying the Earth is harder than you may have been led to believe.

You've seen the action movies where the bad guy threatens to destroy the Earth. You've heard people on the news claiming that the next nuclear war or cutting down rainforests or persisting in releasing hideous quantities of pollution into the atmosphere threatens to end the world.

Fools.

The Earth was built to last. It is a 4,550,000,000-year-old, 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000-tonne ball of iron. It has taken more devastating asteroid hits in its lifetime than you've had hot dinners, and lo, it still orbits merrily. So my first piece of advice to you, dear would-be Earth-destroyer, is: do NOT think this will be easy.

This is not a guide for wusses whose aim is merely to wipe out humanity. I (Sam Hughes) can in no way guarantee the complete extinction of the human race via any of these methods, real or imaginary. Humanity is wily and resourceful, and many of the methods outlined below will take many years to even become available, let alone implement, by which time mankind may well have spread to other planets; indeed, other star systems. If total human genocide is your ultimate goal, you are reading the wrong document. There are far more efficient ways of doing this, many which are available and feasible RIGHT NOW. Nor is this a guide for those wanting to annihilate everything from single-celled life upwards, render Earth uninhabitable or simply conquer it. These are trivial goals in comparison.

This is a guide for those who do not want the Earth to be there anymore.

To find out more.......follow the link.

http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
lol yeah i read that post, however this isnt about destroy earth its about killing everything on it through global warming.
Mouse315
Bash.org Junkie
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Not a threat.  Its not any hotter this summer than last summer.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|6869|Orlando, FL - Age 43

Vilham wrote:

lol yeah i read that post, however this isnt about destroy earth its about killing everything on it through global warming.
Well, despite the current hysteria, the earth has survived such temperatures before and significantly higher ones at that.

Since we are concerned with *gasp* 'killing everything on the planet' through global warming, let's take a look at the global temperature history of the planet.

https://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7552/globaltemp2xq.jpg
http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm

https://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Temp/Temp.gif

As you can see, there have been times where the average global temperature (read including the poles) has been much greater than today and life has survived very well.

As for us extinguishing all life on the planet, again we are overestimating ourselves. Yes, our activity has undoubtedly led to the extinction of some species but this activity has been happening throughout the history of earth. Ever heard of Darwin and Herbert Spencer, i.e. 'survival of the fittest'?

https://img352.imageshack.us/img352/2962/325pxextinctionintensity1ck.png

wikipedia wrote:

The Permian extinction is unequaled; it is obviously not easy to destroy almost all life on Earth. The difficulty in imagining a single cause of such an event has led to an explanation humorously termed the "Murder on the Orient Express" theory: they all did it. A combination involving some or all of the following is postulated: Continental drift created a non-fatal but precariously balanced global environment, a supernova weakened the ozone layer, and then a large meteor impact triggered the eruption of the Siberian Traps. The resultant global warming eventually was enough to melt the methane hydrate deposits on continental shelves of the world-ocean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian-Tr … tion_event
So based upon that information and quite a bit more that I don't have the time to post, my panties are far from being in a twist, no matter what Al Gore may say.

Last edited by Darth_Fleder (2006-06-30 18:59:38)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Yes, lets keep those carbon emissions coming.  I am not going to be around for the end of times, so fuck 'em all!  I am comfortably certain that I will not be alive to witness any mass extinction like the ones millions of years before, so it's not my problem.  Al Gore, since when did he become a scientist?  Yes, clearly because Al Gore is the foremost authority on global warming.  What's that, leading environmental climatologists say global warming is leading to a mass die-off of habitat?  Rubbish!  </sarcasm>

Seriously though, you would have to be ignorant to believe that all the pollutants and emissions we put into the air and ground have little effect on our biome.  Greenhouse effects have been proven, and as such, global warming.  I agree with what many on here say in that there is no need to start reciting end-of-times prayer, but if we (humans) continue our destruction of the womb that gave (and still gives) us life, there will be no more Earth, and we will need to populate Mars and the moon like Stephen Hawking is now advocating.  The problem is not just global warming, the problem is in the mindset of humans in general.  Thoughts like, Well, I'm not going to be around, so it's not my problem."  We must change the mindset of western civilization and humans as a whole, to understand and value the Earth for what it is.

Edited for spelling

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-06-26 12:41:42)

Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6795|Cambridge, England
there will be no more earth??? errrr dont think soo.

so what we will have an atmosphere of 100% c02...........the earth is still here. and so are all the plants and thus life re-evolves.

http://qntm.org/destroy wrote:

The Earth is built to last. It is a 4,550,000,000-year-old, 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000-tonne ball of iron.
go on then explain how the

ken-jennings wrote:

western civilisations
are going to have any effect at all upon the earth........let alone completely changing the climate

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-06-26 12:50:27)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

http://qntm.org/destroy wrote:

The Earth is built to last. It is a 4,550,000,000-year-old, 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000-tonne ball of iron.
go on then explain how the

ken-jennings wrote:

western civilisations
are going to have any effect at all upon the earth........let alone completely changing the climate
READ, that can do all the explaining for you.  I am not a teacher, I am not here to teach you things.  I can help you by directing you where to look, but I refuse to hold your hand and walk you through this one like a five year-old child.  Do not be so ignorant as to think that western civilizations cannot affect life (or any other part) of earth.  Is smog natural?  Does that affect Earth and/or living creatures at all?

For clarification purposes, let us all agree that evidence of global warming is not evidence that the world is going to end, so that people stop combining the two.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-06-26 12:56:07)

Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|6869|Orlando, FL - Age 43
Well, gauging by the past temperature history chart of the planet and the trends that it shows, I have no doubt that the planet is in a warming trend. However, I think that the science is still out as to the root causes. Again, I point out that Mars and Jupiter are also in warming trends.

https://img278.imageshack.us/img278/8663/article1fig37ys.gif

http://www.gcrio.org wrote:

Figure 3 Air temperature near Antarctica for the last 150,000 years. Temperatures given are inferred from hydrogen/deuterium ratios measured in an ice core from the Antarctic Vostok station, with reference to the value for 1900. Compiled by R. S. Bradley and J. A. Eddy based on J. Jouzel et al., Nature vol 329, pp 403-408, 1987 and published in EarthQuest, vol 5, no 1, 1991.
http://www.gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winte … -fig3.html
I point out again rather dramatic shifts in short (relatively) periods of time. Take a look at the first dramatic 13C rise in antarctic temperature approximately 130,000 years ago and again about 13,000-18,000 years ago. CO2 Emissions from fossil fuels? Smog from the stone age?
CameronPoe
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Darth_Fleder wrote:

Well, gauging by the past temperature history chart of the planet and the trends that it shows, I have no doubt that the planet is in a warming trend. However, I think that the science is still out as to the root causes. Again, I point out that Mars and Jupiter are also in warming trends.

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/8663 … ig37ys.gif

http://www.gcrio.org wrote:

Figure 3 Air temperature near Antarctica for the last 150,000 years. Temperatures given are inferred from hydrogen/deuterium ratios measured in an ice core from the Antarctic Vostok station, with reference to the value for 1900. Compiled by R. S. Bradley and J. A. Eddy based on J. Jouzel et al., Nature vol 329, pp 403-408, 1987 and published in EarthQuest, vol 5, no 1, 1991.
http://www.gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winte … -fig3.html
I point out again rather dramatic shifts in short (relatively) periods of time. Take a look at the first dramatic 13C rise in antarctic temperature approximately 130,000 years ago and again about 13,000-18,000 years ago. CO2 Emissions from fossil fuels? Smog from the stone age?
You have to agree with Darth on this one that no-one can say definitively that human beings are entirely to blame for recent global warming. Having said that however, it wouldn't harm to conserve the exhaustible resources we use in our daily lives and perhaps seek to use resources that are renewable and/or more 'courteous' to the atmosphere/environment, as studies show that they are probably not exactly helping the warming problem.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-06-26 13:29:53)

jimmanycricket
EBC Member
+56|6718|Cambridge, England
look i mean whats the worse that can happen, we all die a slow and painfull death at some point in time, why care once we are dead we are either going to be compleatly ignorant of the fact the earth is destroyed or we will be in some sort of after life depending on your beleif ..... will happen to you.
anyway you would think i would have some profound reason as to why this is good but i forgot it as i was typing so yeah thats the worst case senario. We die, but at the end of the day there will be no one left to care. Untill the next species evolves and goes ha ha this stupid (new word the use for previous ruleing creatures, for example diosaur) couldnt even stop there own destruction brefly followed by the realisation that they also cannot. Everyone is going to die and there is nothing that anyone can do about it.

Last edited by jimmanycricket (2006-06-26 14:11:08)

Vilham
Say wat!?
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Vilham wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

Yes but you will have to change the fuel rodes ever once in a wile and they are highly radioactive
Yes and they can be burrowed into the silt that is about 40m deep at the bottom of the sea, you simple encase the rods in a concrete block shaped like a bullet and then drop it into the sea, its PE will then allow it to gain enough speed to burrow about 20m into this silt where it will never see the light of day till the 10000 years for their atoms to decay fully.
To those that -karma me for this, 1. it isnt my idea moron. 2. the only reason it isnt done by every country in the  world is a ban on disposing of radioactive material in the sea. Do you people understand that water cant become radoactive, the only thing that can happen is the radioactive material can disolve into the water and thereby contaminate the water, the radioactivite that is given off by radioactive material, is either alpha, beta or gamma radiation and those particles travel very tiny distances before they are enhilated. Therefore if you burrow the material ina concrete casing 2m wides into 10m of silt it aint gunna give off emissions that even reach life that live around it.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|6869|Orlando, FL - Age 43

CameronPoe wrote:

... it wouldn't harm to conserve the exhaustible resources we use in our daily lives and perhaps seek to use resources that are renewable...
I quite agree, Cameron. The remaining oil is far more valuable to future generations as a lubricant than our burning it now as a fuel. Not to mention the implications of not sending billions upon billions of dollars into OPEC countries.

Another point to ponder... Where is the greatest abundance of animal and plant species found on land today? They are found in the equatorial, tropical climates, i.e the warmest places on Earth. Another conveniently forgotten fact in the hysteria of 'global warming'. There was once subtropical growth in Greenland and Patagonia. Also, the hottest periods in Earths history are notorious for their abundance of life. For more recent examples see the Paleocene and Oligocene epochs. Also see the Cambrian, Triassic, and Jurassic periods.

Last edited by Darth_Fleder (2006-06-26 14:36:08)

JahManRed
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Its not all about getting warmer, when the Gulf Stream turns about North West Africa, its goin to get very cold  here in Western Europe.
jimmanycricket
EBC Member
+56|6718|Cambridge, England

Vilham wrote:

gamma radiation and those particles travel very tiny distances before they are enhilated. Therefore if you burrow the material ina concrete casing 2m wides into 10m of silt it aint gunna give off emissions that even reach life that live around it.
wrong, sorry to say this but you cannot stop gamma radiation you can just reduce it with large amounts of lead.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,975|6694|949

Darth_Fleder wrote:

Another point to ponder... Where is the greatest abundance of animal and plant species found on land today? They are found in the equatorial, tropical climates, i.e the warmest places on Earth. Another conveniently forgotten fact in the hysteria of 'global warming'. There was once subtropical growth in Greenland and Patagonia. Also, the hottest periods in Earths history are notorious for their abundance of life. For more recent examples see the Paleocene and Oligocene epochs. Also see the Cambrian, Triassic, and Jurassic periods.
And what does this have to do with global warming?  If you look in the ocean, there is more life there than anywhere else on the planet.  An interesting footnote, but of no relevance to the global warming argument.
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6795|Cambridge, England
let us agree? i was merely answering you...

ken-jennings wrote:

but if we (humans) continue our destruction of the womb that gave (and still gives) us life, there will be no more Earth,
and i was pointing out that it is very difficult even for us western civilisations to destroy the Earth. so yes we'll agree that at this present moment in time we cannot destroy the Earth and nor can anything short of a collsion with a planet or a meeting with a black hole.....anyways.....

a smog isnt really a complete and permanent climate change. what is being suggested is to stop global warming. i.e. to make the global temp constant forever.....i feel that this is somewhat more than we can achieve......also its completely unnatural as weve all seen the global temperature varies. surely stopping this natural cycle will have dire consequences?

I agree that we do need to find alternatives to fossil fuels as we are running out. not because we are doing somthing terrible to our "mother earth" but because it is not sustainable. if we do not find alternatives soon then we will be stuffed when we run out.

I think that atm the only alternative to burning the fossil fuels is to use nuclear power sure its got a bad public image but atm the choice is fossil or nuclear...
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6795|Cambridge, England

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Darth_Fleder wrote:

Another point to ponder... Where is the greatest abundance of animal and plant species found on land today? They are found in the equatorial, tropical climates, i.e the warmest places on Earth. Another conveniently forgotten fact in the hysteria of 'global warming'. There was once subtropical growth in Greenland and Patagonia. Also, the hottest periods in Earths history are notorious for their abundance of life. For more recent examples see the Paleocene and Oligocene epochs. Also see the Cambrian, Triassic, and Jurassic periods.
And what does this have to do with global warming?  If you look in the ocean, there is more life there than anywhere else on the planet.  An interesting footnote, but of no relevance to the global warming argument.
it is saying that the rise of the global temp will not have adverse effects upon all the fluffy creatures here on earth, but will promote growth and procreation
Big McLargehuge
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+259|6666|Philadelphia, PA
According to this article Global warming ended in 1998. (long read)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main … world.html

Last edited by Big McLargehuge (2006-06-26 15:20:21)

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