BF2S Forums global warming

Mackaronen wrote:

If we did not have global warming we would have an ice age about now. So by that global warming is our friend.
But i might get out of hand soon. Then it becomes our enemy.

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

none of you look far enough back....you quote records from 1850 ooooooooooo the world is what 6.5 billion years old? (im probably wrong but close hopefully) so by looking at the last 250 years we have enough information ???? errr no if you get back a little way it is true that every 4000 years there is an ice age, then it melts then there is another, we have 4 or 5 instances on record. by lookign at this evidence we are 2000 years overdue an ice age.

This could be for two reasons:

1: all the fossil fuels we started burning 2000 years ago warmed up the globe enough to stop an ice age ^o)

2: it had absolutley nothing to do with us.

another thing. remember the news is ALWAYS biased. so quoting news sites is usless. they make money by being controvershal, e.g. you do no see all the sides of the argument.

the dinosaurs managed to live on earth without any ice caps. maybe they burnt fossil fuels too? surely they must have had al this extreme weather we are predicted. and all of the world was under water etc etc :S

another point. cows farting causes more "global warming" than car emmisions that is how dangerous fossil fuels are.

also not everywhere can turn into deserts as the water has to go somewhere. there will always be the same amount of water on earth. the more of the ice caps melt , the wetter the world will be.

also i sevearly doubt that we arent getting any closer to the sun. that must have an effect. the length of our orbit is also not a constant and nor is the distance of the moon.

i know i havent quoted much helpful evidence to back me up but i cant remember my sources sorry

main point being there is a very slim chance that we have effected the global climate in the last 2000 years but its more likely to be natural. thus there is absolutley nothing we can do about the climate change.



EDIT: it is fasionable to care about the environment. Same as its fasionable to have a hybrid car even tho they arent any better than a normal diesal.

also if we dont burn carbon where do we get our power from? wind farms? ur jokin right? they are so ineffecient you wouldnt believe, some of them actually use more power than they generate. so lets use nuclear power. that is a real alternative. but noooo nuclear waste aaaa you cant take somthing radioactive out the earth, and then just put it back again? hell no it will make the earth sick :S If you want to stop burning carbon you have to embrace nuclear power.

Last edited by Spark (2006-06-26 04:13:38)

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

none of you look far enough back....you quote records from 1850 ooooooooooo the world is what 6.5 billion years old? (im probably wrong but close hopefully) so by looking at the last 250 years we have enough information ???? errr no if you get back a little way it is true that every 4000 years there is an ice age, then it melts then there is another, we have 4 or 5 instances on record. by lookign at this evidence we are 2000 years overdue an ice age.

This could be for two reasons:

1: all the fossil fuels we started burning 2000 years ago warmed up the globe enough to stop an ice age ^o)

2: it had absolutley nothing to do with us.

another thing. remember the news is ALWAYS biased. so quoting news sites is usless. they make money by being controvershal, e.g. you do no see all the sides of the argument.

the dinosaurs managed to live on earth without any ice caps. maybe they burnt fossil fuels too? surely they must have had al this extreme weather we are predicted. and all of the world was under water etc etc :S

another point. cows farting causes more "global warming" than car emmisions that is how dangerous fossil fuels are.

also not everywhere can turn into deserts as the water has to go somewhere. there will always be the same amount of water on earth. the more of the ice caps melt , the wetter the world will be.

also i sevearly doubt that we arent getting any closer to the sun. that must have an effect. the length of our orbit is also not a constant and nor is the distance of the moon.

i know i havent quoted much helpful evidence to back me up but i cant remember my sources sorry

main point being there is a very slim chance that we have effected the global climate in the last 2000 years but its more likely to be natural. thus there is absolutley nothing we can do about the climate change.



EDIT: it is fasionable to care about the environment. Same as its fasionable to have a hybrid car even tho they arent any better than a normal diesal.

also if we dont burn carbon where do we get our power from? wind farms? ur jokin right? they are so ineffecient you wouldnt believe, some of them actually use more power than they generate. so lets use nuclear power. that is a real alternative. but noooo nuclear waste aaaa you cant take somthing radioactive out the earth, and then just put it back again? hell no it will make the earth sick :S If you want to stop burning carbon you have to embrace nuclear power.

1. No one has said that we are the sole result of global warming, but by virtue of the fact that we are generating green house gasses, we are a contributing factor.

2. The only reason that there are as many cows as there are now is because of human breeding of cows, so we are indirectly responsible for that as well.

3. Due to our polluting of the oceans and clear-cutting of many forests, some times for those farting cows, we reduce the amount of trees/plants.  Plant life takes in CO2 (carbon dioxide) and produces oxygen as a byproduct of photosynthesis.  So again, we have indirectly reduced the planets natural ability to remove greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere.

As for power generation, I don't know where you heard that wind farms consume more power than they generate, but that is just flat out false.  Since these windmills are powered by wind, they don't consume any energy at all, so it is impossible for them to consume more energy than they provide. 

Nuclear power is not necessarily the right answer.  It may be a NIMBY response, but I don't was the waste from power plants, from which I do not benefit, being buried in my back yard.  One of the reasons that Yucca Mountain. is currently on hold is because they found evidence that the geologists that surveyed the area falsified information about the stability of the ground in relation to ground water.  Yes it is the desert, but people don't realize that Utah and Nevada have massive water aquifers under the ground.

We have the ability to produce cleaner power from coal plants, but that requires an investment in the technology, and GWB recently rolled back EPA mandates on such measures.

Last edited by jimmanycricket (2006-06-26 04:47:15)

herrr_smity wrote:

jimmanycricket wrote:

on the point of wind farms, cheeky is on the whole truth full, beacause the wind farms are not a stable source of power sop when wind levels are low power must be created wastefully else where to compensate the demand as the electricity is not stored so at the moment wind power can at some points be counter productive, but not always.

there are more ways to produce zero emission energy then windmills.
we have  geothermal, solar, hydroelectric to name a few and withe newer better generators these ways are better then the polluting, coal oil and gas power plants that we have now.

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-06-26 06:59:27)

Space.com wrote:

Mars Ski Report: Snow is Hard, Dense and Disappearing

Global warming on Mars?

In the other study, led by Michael C. Malin, features at the south pole were observed to retreat by up to 10 feet (3 meters) from one Martian year to the next.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/s … 206-2.html

Space.com wrote:

The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.

The study was led jointly by Imke de Pater and Philip Marcus of University of California, Berkeley.

"The storm is growing in altitude," de Pater said. "Before when they were just ovals they didn't stick out above the clouds. Now they are rising."

This growth signals a temperature increase in that region, she said.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 … ed_jr.html

Last edited by Darth_Fleder (2006-06-26 08:07:49)

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

jimmanycricket wrote:

on the point of wind farms, cheeky is on the whole truth full, beacause the wind farms are not a stable source of power sop when wind levels are low power must be created wastefully else where to compensate the demand as the electricity is not stored so at the moment wind power can at some points be counter productive, but not always.

there are more ways to produce zero emission energy then windmills.
we have  geothermal, solar, hydroelectric to name a few and withe newer better generators these ways are better then the polluting, coal oil and gas power plants that we have now.

all of the above methods are crap. quite honestly they are too expensive and not effecient enough. (yet) we can power the whole of the uk with abotu 8 nuclear power plants, whereas 8 windturbines power your computer. hydroelectric, that soudns like a good idea, lets run all our river water inc the fish etc etc through a big turbine  now theres a good idea hey. and your right the uk is full of mountains and big rivers?? i know there are a few plants in wales and scotland which make up 3% of the national grid, but its not possible for the whole of a flat country e.g. England.  Solar depends on the sun obviously. and as we cant store electricity what happens when it is cloudy? i know it not purely the sun its the heat. so what do we do in winter, when we need to be warm and cosy, sorry no heat the solar powerplants arent working its too cold. Geothermal i dont know how exaclty they work but i assume the drill huge holes into our poor dying mother earth, and then ram huge metal pipes in there as spin turbines off of the earths heat. so lets take the heat out of the earths core and put it into the atmosphere.......that will help global warming

the best solution to carbon emisions is nuclear power. nuff said

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Another thing that gets me is the main grren house gas we all hear about is carbon dioxide.  Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the stuff trees and plants "breathe" as we breathe oxygen?  Thus more CO2 = more trees = more oxygen.

herrr_smity wrote:

good luck living in a radiation shit hole

Last edited by jimmanycricket (2006-06-26 09:06:33)