BF2S Forums Is the middle east becoming a modern Vietnam?

Comparing Iraq to Vietnam is like comparing Bush (or anyone else for that matter) to Hitler. Fucking retarded. Iraq certainly has the potential to drag on for a long time but I doubt you'll see the U.S. death toll even hit 10,000 in the next four years. In Vietnam, U.S. forces had a heavy concentration of pothead draftees that didn't want to be there. From what I've seen/read/heard from vets (I haven't been to Iraq so I honestly don't know) the focus and discipline is generally high. Public opinion is may not be high for the reasons why we went to war, but the public actually suppoprts our troops. During the Vietnam war it was the cool hippy thing to piss on our returning GIs when they got off the plane. Vietnam battles were planned in the White House. In Iraq, it seems the military actually runs it's own war (Rumsfeld may think he's a McNamara, but he ain't no McNamara). The U.S.'s technology compared to Iraq's make Rosie O' Donell look like something you want to stick your cock into. The Vietnamese fought the Chinese for independence for 1000 years. They kicked out the Mongols and the French. Another 20 years fighting the U.S. was nothing to them. Iraq, shit..., Iraq was just been half-assed fighting itself for who knows how long. North Vietnam had a standing army and the Viet Cong. Iraq has a shitload of fanatical nutjobs who can't even aim a weapon straight. I don't know about you, but I'd be more afraid of a dedicated, indoctrinated force than a bunch of Muslims who just "graduated" from the hometown madras with nothing more than IED and jungle gym training.

alpinestar wrote:

The "Downing Street memo" is a valid evidence against US for taking unlawful actions against IRAQ

Of course the information was falsified. I remember watching documentaries and news shows about the Neo-Cons' plans for toppling Iraq back in the late 90s. I remember Hans Blix saying that Iraq either destroyed all it's WMDs or destroyed the paperwork that proved it had destroyed their WMDs (I'm sure they shipped shit out to other countries though). I remember the "imminent threat" and the aluminum tubes  that "proved" Iraq had WMDs and intent to use them. I remember the White House claiming that they knew exactly where the WMD stocklpiles were.

I honestly cannot fathom how shocked people were when they were officially told that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and did not pose a WMD threat to the United States. We drove through Baghdad and nothing. This would have been the perfect time to use them. Why not? Did Hussein think that if he held off on a chemical attack that the U.S. would say "Oh, my bad, I guess you don't have WMD since you didn't use them when we invaded your capital. We'll just go home now like nothing ever happened." If Iraq had WMD after the U.N. inspector period, they surely inteded on using them to keep Iran in check, not the U.S.

Yep.  He's Irish and, as any Pom will tell you, Irish are all either drunk or terrorists

MorbidFetus wrote:

[...] (Rumsfeld may think he's a McNamara, but he ain't no McNamara). The U.S.'s technology compared to Iraq's make Rosie O' Donell look like something you want to stick your cock into. The Vietnamese fought the Chinese for independence for 1000 years. They kicked out the Mongols and the French. Another 20 years fighting the U.S. was nothing to them.

Oh man, have you all seen Fog of War?  McNamara is like 800 years old, but he sounds like he's 30!  Not bad for a guy who stared down the apocalypse, and oversaw the slaughter of millions in Southeast Asia.  All for a good cause, of course.    That movie is fucking awesome.  It should be compulsory viewing pretty much everywhere.  BTW, that sentence about Rosie O'Donnell actually made my dick fall off in self-defence, just as a precaution.  Thanks.

spastic bullet wrote:

Oh man, have you all seen Fog of War?

Multiple times. Have you seen Rumsfeld's War?

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CameronPoe wrote:

Well is it? Similarities include the fact that the wars there were arguably needless in the first place (certainly in the case of Iraq anyway) and the fact that US public opinion is turning against military action there. Discuss...

In response to various ill-thought-through responses and karma negs I'd like people to note that nowhere in my original post do I suggest that I myself believe the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan to be 'the modern Vietnam'. I propose a theory and leave it open for discussion. The story of Iraq-Vietnam similarities is currently doing the rounds in European media, hence the reason I posted the topic.

PS I prefer the term 'Freedom Fighter' to 'Terrorist' please.

Bubbalo wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

PS I prefer the term 'Freedom Fighter' to 'Terrorist' please.

Freedom fighter is a matter of perspective, terrorist isn't.

I'm aware of that. I was jokingly referring to the references made about me looking like a 'terrorist'.

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Bubbalo wrote:

Yep.  He's Irish and, as any Pom will tell you, Irish are all either drunk or terrorists

STFU you generalizing asshole.

Ok sorry B for the mistake. 
Cameron BTW you look alot like me. I'm a ginger too, but taller I think. Suppose i look like a terrorist too then.

JG1567JG wrote:

spastic bullet wrote:

JG1567JG wrote:

No, to the Vietnam part.
CameronPoe, no offence but you don't live here in the U.S. so how do you know what the public opinion to the war in Iraq is?  I hope it's not from the news and their crazy polls or from the people on these forums.

God bless the www...
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

You dont live in the U.S. either so how can you know what public opinion on the war on Iraq is?

The link you showed was from a University and some news channel. I dont believe any polls I see on tv or in newspapers.  What I believe is what people tell me when I talk to them about Iraq.

Edit--I may have to take back what I said about Iraq not being like vietnam. A "Fair & Balanced" news channel just pointed out one thing that is very similar.  In vietnam there was way too many restrictions on our soldiers and the military. i.e certain cities off limits to bombing untill the end of the war, soldiers not being allowed to engage the enemy when they crossed International borders like cambodia.  In Iraq these restrictions, though different, are in place also. 

There should be martial law in Certain areas of Iraq with a curfew at night.  The soldiers should be allowed to shoot first and sort it out later during the curfew hours.  Just my opinion on how to squash the insurgency.

You do realize how many people live in the US, right?

to idiot who left a notice in my karma, I don't care about Karma read under my fucking sig moron. And america didn't win cold war fuck head it is you who should read the history books.

Iraq a Vietnam ? not even close, Note: if jewish people lived in Vietnam We would have won it. People don't care about Asians or Arabs as much.

Reagan's ( out spend them because the cant develop technology as fast or as easy ) was one of many great strategies that he had. He was the only leader ( US or other ) with the balls to stand them down. Now that we have all their sensitive Files. We know they really were an Evil Empire. The USSR was scum, TY Ronald Reagan

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