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Sambuccashake wrote:

I don't know why you're allowed to purchase assault rifles and whatnot but this commercial made me laugh:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 4024579484

Ok first of all not many people are allowed to purchase ASSAULT RIFLES because assault rifles are classified ( at least by those in the know when it comes to guns) as Class III Automatic weapons or SBR's (Short barreled rifles).  Assault rifles are NOT an AR-15 or clones that are semi-automatic, the liberal media has labeled such weapons as assault rifles when they are completely inccorrect.  I will not go into much detail because it takes SOOOO long to explain this to someone who doesn't know much about firearms.  The Clinton Ban of 94' labeled firearms like these:


Assault rifles, this is just factually incorrect.  These firearms are NOT capable of fully automatic fire and are above the legal barrel length of 16". Believe it or not those aren't even real rifles, those are airsoft rifles.  Shows how much you know huh 

The term assault rifle has become sacrilegious now to intelligent firearm owners because this term is incorrect and labels something negatively because some people are just ideologically opposed to firearms and use this term so that other people who don't have a lot of knowledge about the topic will go "Ooooh assault rifles, evil, people shouldn't be allowed to own ASSAULT RIFLES"  I partly agree ONLY if you are referring to Class III weapons and SBR's (as well as some AOW [any other weapons] go to http://www.atf.treas.gov/ for more info).  So if you are going to use the term assault rifle, use it correctly to describe fully automatic firearms or SBR's.  Thank you.

Didn't the Clinton ban label the Assault Weapons

Jinto-sk wrote:

For what reason does a person need an assault rifle. Other than the argument of defense from invaision, which I disagree with as that is what the armed forces are for.

You dont eally need your music, car, pillows, tv, computer, testicals, airconditioner, carpet, bed, coach, do you. I mean do you really need them ?

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Didn't the Clinton ban label the Assault Weapons

which are fully automatic and or consealable.

No No, read my above post......Assault weapons don't have to be concealable, but they do have to be Class III (Capable of automatic fire, and/or SBR and/or AOW).  Like I said before, the term "assault weapon" is heavily used by the media to describe any rifle that looks evil like an ar-15....ak47....

I've even seen a news show call an SKS an assault rifle


So please, don't just throw the term assault rifle out there.

Things like these:



Are not assault weapons or assault rifles.  UNLESS Class III.  Get it right.  Or I will make a longer post. 

Anyways people should be allowed to own rifles because one it is a hobby, it is fun to go out and shoot paper and targets....it certainly does not hurt anyone.  Its not really that different than any other hobby. 

And one final note: No REGISTERED Class III weapon (Fully automatic fire, or SBR) has ever been used in a crime in the United States....ever.  This means that CRIMINALS are modifying weapons or aquiring them from illegal points of sale.  Hmmmm maybe CRIMINALS are the problem, not RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

Horseman 77 wrote:

Jinto-sk wrote:

For what reason does a person need an assault rifle. Other than the argument of defense from invaision, which I disagree with as that is what the armed forces are for.

You dont eally need your music, car, pillows, tv, computer, testicals, airconditioner, carpet, bed, coach, do you. I mean do you really need them ?

No you don't really need them but they all have a practical use (especially the testicals), what use is an assault rifle to a civillian.

Last edited by Jinto-sk (2006-07-24 06:06:20)

'AlbertWesker[RE wrote:

And one final note: No REGISTERED Class III weapon (Fully automatic fire, or SBR) has ever been used in a crime in the United States....ever.  This means that CRIMINALS are modifying weapons or aquiring them from illegal points of sale.  Hmmmm maybe CRIMINALS are the problem, not RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

Not true, there was ONE time it happened.  A police officer used a department issued MP5 (if I recall, I know it was an SMG) to kill his wife about 10 years ago.

Also it is somewhat incorrect to call them Class 3 weapons, They are Title II weapons according to the ATF.  But I still call them Class 3 myself.

Anyway, I don't care if you want to own a legal Class3/Title II firearm, becuase odds are you not using it for anything bad.

Bubbalo wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Things like these:
http://www.fidnet.com/~m26/a2shortya1.jpg
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/we … t/ak47.jpg

Are not assault weapons or assault rifles.

According to US law, anything with a clip over ten rounds is an assault weapon.  So those would be.

Horseman 77 wrote:

You dont eally need your music, car, pillows, tv, computer, testicals, airconditioner, carpet, bed, coach, do you. I mean do you really need them ?

None of those are designed to kill.

You are right none of those are designed to kill, so what point are you trying to make?  Guns are a part of our lives and have been for a long time there not going any where, if you don't like them that is fine you don't have to, I love them and will keep purchasing them for as long as I can, what is so wrong about owning an assault rifle, I own several I use them for home protection and just to have fun I love driving out in to BFE and letting off a couple hundred rounds, it is a major release of stress, plus if someone breaks in to my home I am going to put them down as fast as I can and nothing does that quite like an assault rifle or a shotgun.  The point I am trying to make is that you see it as over kill and unnessary but I think that some of you computer guys are going alittle over kill with you computers and the 8 gigs of ram and three 512mb video cards.  (And I know you can't have Three video cars incase someone bring this back up) Trying to debate a subject like this one is like telling some one there religon is overkill or unnessary.   You see overkill we see it as being perfectly fine, I don't know where you live at but where I live at there are alot of crazy people that will do just about anything, for instance there are 2 killers running the streets right now where Im from they have killed several people and have yet to be found or even IDed.  Guns provide a sense of security to some, everyone is diffrent.  I have a girlfriend I love very much an I'll be damned if I let anything happen to her.  Guns are also a very popular form or sporting or recreation, not everyone likes baseball or tenis so not everone is going to agree with guns.  This is just the way things are.

The_Fighting_69th wrote:

'AlbertWesker[RE wrote:

And one final note: No REGISTERED Class III weapon (Fully automatic fire, or SBR) has ever been used in a crime in the United States....ever.  This means that CRIMINALS are modifying weapons or aquiring them from illegal points of sale.  Hmmmm maybe CRIMINALS are the problem, not RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

Not true, there was ONE time it happened.  A police officer used a department issued MP5 (if I recall, I know it was an SMG) to kill his wife about 10 years ago.

Also it is somewhat incorrect to call them Class 3 weapons, They are Title II weapons according to the ATF.  But I still call them Class 3 myself.

Anyway, I don't care if you want to own a legal Class3/Title II firearm, becuase odds are you not using it for anything bad.

Yeah there was also I a man a couple of years ago that gunned down another man trying to break in to his home .   The man who's home was being broken in to had a registered class III mp5 and he put a full 30 round mag in to the criminal.  He was initaly arested because the cops thought that he had gone to far but the jury found him not guilty, this was what this person chose to defend his home and he did just that.  They even let him keep his gun.  Point being that they do serve a purpose and there may be atime when there realy are needed.  Gun owners don't sit up at night in there room with there gun in hand waiting for some one to break in so we can shoot them.  I don't know one preson that got a gun so they could kill someone, yes I know crimminals do this all the time I am not talking about them.  I am speaking in refrence to the people that do go through all the proper channels to own guns like this legaly, there is nothing wrong with that, people that own these guns legaly have to go through a very intense set of steps and you have to wait a very long time to get the compleat gun, they don't just send you a compleat gun.  Alos the ATF can show up on your door step when ever they please and ask to see the weapon.  And if you can't produce the weapon right then and there you go to jail for a very long time.  There is a certain level of respect that you gain and are demanded of to own weapons like this.

The_Fighting_69th wrote:

'AlbertWesker[RE wrote:

And one final note: No REGISTERED Class III weapon (Fully automatic fire, or SBR) has ever been used in a crime in the United States....ever.  This means that CRIMINALS are modifying weapons or aquiring them from illegal points of sale.  Hmmmm maybe CRIMINALS are the problem, not RESPONSIBLE gun owners.

Not true, there was ONE time it happened.  A police officer used a department issued MP5 (if I recall, I know it was an SMG) to kill his wife about 10 years ago.

Sorry, i wasn't specific enough, really, I meant to add privately owned class3(yeah title II, i know)....since A police officer can't technically privately own a Class 3, point moot, sorry I didn't add that in there before.

Ether151 wrote:

I also own an AR_15 that has a 14.5" barrel, is this also a wrongful possession of an assault weapon???

No because most of the 14.5" barreled AR-15's have a permanently attached muzzle brake bringing the required length to 16"  Otherwise it would be an SBR and you would have to register it with the BATF....soon.

And no, to most people this would not be considered an assault weapon, god I hate that phrase.  Ughhhh

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Things like these:
http://www.fidnet.com/~m26/a2shortya1.jpg
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/we … t/ak47.jpg

Are not assault weapons or assault rifles.

According to US law, anything with a clip over ten rounds is an assault weapon.  So those would be.

LMFAO, first of all its called a magazine.  Second of all, please cite this supposed U.S. Law.....I'm waiting.  You're telling me my Sig Sauer P226 Handgun capable of holding 15+1 rounds is an assault weapon.  Please cite your source.

What he said For the love of god people it is a magazine, its not a "clip".  A clip is a term that rappers use.

Bubbalo wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

According to US law, anything with a clip over ten rounds is an assault weapon.  So those would be.

My compound bow has a quiver with 80 arrows. Am I in wrongful possession of an assault weapon?

I would assume not, for two reasons:

1)  I imagine the wording says "firearm"

2)  A quiver isn't a clip.  Same as a bandolier isn't a clip.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Good point, so since my hand gun can hold 18 rounds, is it also considered an assault weapon???

I imagine so, yes.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I also own an AR_15 that has a 14.5" barrel, is this also a wrongful possession of an assault weapon???

Possesion yes, as to whether it's wrongful I wouldn't know.

And again it is not a clip it is called a Magazine, And in response to my first quote, No my glocks are not refered to as an assault weapons so I imagine no...And quote two your right I do possess a number of so called assault rifles.  Wrong I think not.

Last edited by Ether151 (2006-07-24 23:56:37)

ATM I'm looking at:

http://www.awbansunset.com/whatis.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_as … eapons_ban (yeah, I know, that's why it isn't my only source)

And I'm sorry if you object to my terminology.  Maybe when we've settled the best way to combat violent crime we'll have time to discuss.  Until then, STFU.  I'm gonna keep talking about clips just to spite you.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-07-24 23:58:14)