Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6915|Moscow, Russia
Hello forum posters!

I would like to know more about the Democratic and the Republican parties of the USA. Here, from Russia, the differences of the parties are not so clearly seen. Sometimes, they only seem to have different names. And as I saw many representatives of both views on these forums, I'd like you to tell the political programmes of the Donkeys and the Elephants, why do you prefer to vote for a certain party and so on.

And please, don't turn this into "Stfu liberal asshole", "FU republican redneck" etc. I want to hear your points of view as US citizens.
splixx
ChupaCABRA
+53|6979|Omaha, Nebraska
They are all corrupt what else do you need to know?
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6934|San Francisco
Well, I'll take this one on as what both parties are Defined as being, not what they've turned into today...though I believe we have a thread that started off this way buried a few pages into this forum.  Let's try to keep it level headed, shall we?

The Democratic Party consists of members who believe in a democratic system of government, is for a stronger central government and is for social expansion/social programs.  They tend to lean towards the Left of the political spectrum.

The Republican Party consists of members who favor a republic system of government, looser/smaller governments with a trend of Conservativism, and tend to fall to the Right of the political spectrum.

Those are how the political parties are exactly defined, and we have several other lesser parties here in America, but the majority of the population tends to just seperate into two ideals come voting time.
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6971|Peoria, Illinois
Each Republican has his own political views differing from another Republican. Democrats too.

Read their party platforms:

http://www.gop.com/Issues/

http://www.democrats.org/agenda.html

The basics of each cannot be summarized by one or two words.
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6915|Moscow, Russia
Do you mean more independent and powerful governments of the states by looser/smaller governments? I always considered those to be democratic ideals.
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6971|Peoria, Illinois
This is the party I would support http://www.lp.org/issues/issues.shtml but like Marconius says, come voting time we tend to split up into right or left with the democrats or republicans.
howler_27
Member
+90|6927
The parties here in the US are also getting quite skewed as well.  The majority of politicians seem to be more twards the middle of left and right wing.  We still have a few die hard left and right wingers out there, but it seems like in the last 12 years, the waters have been getting cloudy.  Now, they are pretty much saying whatever they have to in order to look good in certain people's eyes.  There are still a few politicians out there who I believe to be fairly honest people working for a good cause, but unfortunately, the majority of them are total snakes who would stab you in the back if they could get away with it.
nelson496
Member
+3|7025
I'm a democrat and I tend to stay in the middle and to the left depending on some policies.  I'm also an atheist so I am careful on what I talk about to one of my conservative friends.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7077
When I was young I voted the Entire ticket by party, Now I find I vote each candidate by issue regardless of affiliation. Except for my sister I voted for her because She's my sister " God help them All in that town"

I read an article that said the parties are slowly switching Ideals in some cases. Republicans Fighting outsourcing and siding with unions and democrats Favoring the benefits of a free market. I wish I had it at hand. When I find it I will post it.

I think I speak for a lot of US citizens when I say " I wish the Party system would go away "
From what I have seen of the Russian representatives They seem to at least have some passion left.

Ours have a " Lets work together to Rip our constituents off " attitude.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-06-15 15:02:07)

M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6971|Peoria, Illinois

Horseman 77 wrote:

When I was young I voted the Entire ticket by party, Now I find I vote each candidate by issue regardless of affiliation. Except for my sister I voted for her because She's my sister " God help them All in that town"

I read an article that said the parties are slowly switching Ideals in some cases. Republicans Fighting outsourcing and siding with unions and democrats Favoring the benefits of a free market. I wish I had it at hand. When I find it I will post it.

I think I speak for a lot of US citizens when I say " I wish the Party system would go away "
From what I have seen of the Russian representatives They seem to at least have some passion left.

Ours have a " Lets work together to Rip our constituents off " attitude.
Believe it or not, George Washington was strongly against political parties while Thomas Jefferson was strongly in favor of them. The infighting goes way back. lol
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6976|Salt Lake City

Horseman 77 wrote:

When I was young I voted the Entire ticket by party, Now I find I vote each candidate by issue regardless of affiliation. Except for my sister I voted for her because She's my sister " God help them All in that town"

I read an article that said the parties are slowly switching Ideals in some cases. Republicans Fighting outsourcing and siding with unions and democrats Favoring the benefits of a free market. I wish I had it at hand. When I find it I will post it.

I think I speak for a lot of US citizens when I say " I wish the Party system would go away "
From what I have seen of the Russian representatives They seem to at least have some passion left.

Ours have a " Lets work together to Rip our constituents off " attitude.
I know we have, for the most part, disagreed on most subjects, but I fully agree.

Well said.
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6934|San Francisco
At the middle-to bottom point of this page, there is a tremendously good write up of the history of the Republican Party.

Here's a similar write up on the Democratic Party.  Good historical sources there.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|6991|Chicago.
I believe the best definition is avaliable on Wikipedia. Check it out.
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6915|Moscow, Russia
As M1-Lightning suggested me to do, I have just looked through the programmes.
In the Dem's programme I saw simple human values: higher education, economic growth, affordable medical treatment, enviroment protection, civil rights and justice...
In the GOP programme I could only find an outdated Bush's speech, a bit reworked, made for 2k4 President elections. There were some important and positive things in it, like ownag...erm, ownership era, making sure America "ownerships" the rest of the world, tax leverage...but there were so many loud, declarative words, like "We praise president Bush for this", "We applaud president for that".. there was so much propaganda it reminded me of reading CPSU (Communist Party of Soviet Union) agendas. But, if to throw the first half of the agenda away, I see almost the same values declared by the Democratic party. Also, I wish they removed all those undoubtfully popular G.W.'s photos from the site, cause whenever I see his face I start laughing uncontrollably..but that's personal stuff, nevermind.
howler_27
Member
+90|6927
He does look like a deer caught in the headlights, lol.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|6991|Chicago.

howler_27 wrote:

He does look like a deer caught in the headlights, lol.
I disagree. Why is it that those who don't approve of him mock him? Could Gore/Kerry have done a better job?

I challenge anyone and everyone to prove that Democratic leader could have done better in the Presidential position.

Flame me, - Karma me, I don't care.

I want proof besides pure opinion of a man that says someone else could have done better in his position.

Last edited by BigmacK192 (2006-06-15 15:42:14)

Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6895|United States of America

Wasder wrote:

As M1-Lightning suggested me to do, I have just looked through the programmes.
In the Dem's programme I saw simple human values: higher education, economic growth, affordable medical treatment, enviroment protection, civil rights and justice...
In the GOP programme I could only find an outdated Bush's speech, a bit reworked, made for 2k4 President elections. There were some important and positive things in it, like ownag...erm, ownership era, making sure America "ownerships" the rest of the world, tax leverage...but there were so many loud, declarative words, like "We praise president Bush for this", "We applaud president for that".. there was so much propaganda it reminded me of reading CPSU (Communist Party of Soviet Union) agendas. But, if to throw the first half of the agenda away, I see almost the same values declared by the Democratic party. Also, I wish they removed all those undoubtfully popular G.W.'s photos from the site, cause whenever I see his face I start laughing uncontrollably..but that's personal stuff, nevermind.
I would laugh at the Leader of Russia but I don't even know who he is so I will just refer to him as the irrelevant Rooskie with bad teeth, bad hair, birthmarks, and vodka on his breath. 

This is the most accurate description I can give just going on the last leaders of USSR/Russia. 

Do you guys have bad water over there or something, radiation poisoning perhaps.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7012|PNW

Wasder wrote:

Do you mean more independent and powerful governments of the states by looser/smaller governments? I always considered those to be democratic ideals.
From what I've seen where I live, democrats here do tend to favor strong, 'independant' communities...so long as they're overtaxed and dictated by a strong, central government (with a Democrat in power, of course).

[game rant]I've yet to see a "Sim City: Conservative Edition." They're all totalitarian to the highest degree, even giving the mayor control over the weather, alien invasions and asteroids. I'd be knocked head over heels if my sims ever held elections or voted for that widened street or bridge. And god forbid that Maxis make any large business privately-owned...no, the city has to pay for it all.[/game rant]

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-06-15 17:11:33)

kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6789|Southeastern USA
the Republican (and Libertarian) party is the more conservative of the system, however alot of people mistakenly see conservatism as "opposing change", whereas it is more accurate to say that it is "to approach change cautiously", with careful consideration of the longterm effects of the policy

The Democratic (and Green) party is more liberal, in that they wish to initiate change radically or on a more reactionary plane, whatever it takes to make something happen right away

it is the duties of all parties in a government to govern change, if change was not needed then we would only need the courts and the military for defense
Not Entirely Sane
Member
+6|6901|Just Outside Seattle

Major_Spittle wrote:

I would laugh at the Leader of Russia but I don't even know who he is so I will just refer to him as the irrelevant Rooskie with bad teeth, bad hair, birthmarks, and vodka on his breath.
The leader of Russia is named Vladimir Putin, and he used to be in the KGB, so you better hope he doesn't hear that

Last edited by Not Entirely Sane (2006-06-15 18:50:33)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6930|Tampa Bay Florida

Major_Spittle wrote:

Wasder wrote:

As M1-Lightning suggested me to do, I have just looked through the programmes.
In the Dem's programme I saw simple human values: higher education, economic growth, affordable medical treatment, enviroment protection, civil rights and justice...
In the GOP programme I could only find an outdated Bush's speech, a bit reworked, made for 2k4 President elections. There were some important and positive things in it, like ownag...erm, ownership era, making sure America "ownerships" the rest of the world, tax leverage...but there were so many loud, declarative words, like "We praise president Bush for this", "We applaud president for that".. there was so much propaganda it reminded me of reading CPSU (Communist Party of Soviet Union) agendas. But, if to throw the first half of the agenda away, I see almost the same values declared by the Democratic party. Also, I wish they removed all those undoubtfully popular G.W.'s photos from the site, cause whenever I see his face I start laughing uncontrollably..but that's personal stuff, nevermind.
I would laugh at the Leader of Russia but I don't even know who he is so I will just refer to him as the irrelevant Rooskie with bad teeth, bad hair, birthmarks, and vodka on his breath. 

This is the most accurate description I can give just going on the last leaders of USSR/Russia. 

Do you guys have bad water over there or something, radiation poisoning perhaps.
He critcized Bush, a Republican, so you're going to criticize his country?  And the sad thing is you don't even know who the President of Russia is.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6930|Tampa Bay Florida

BigmacK192 wrote:

howler_27 wrote:

He does look like a deer caught in the headlights, lol.
I disagree. Why is it that those who don't approve of him mock him? Could Gore/Kerry have done a better job?

I challenge anyone and everyone to prove that Democratic leader could have done better in the Presidential position.

Flame me, - Karma me, I don't care.

I want proof besides pure opinion of a man that says someone else could have done better in his position.
You can't have proof.  That's like saying "I want proof that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (or whichever team) could've defeated the Pittsburg Steelers in the Superbowl".  But, if you read and watch the news, you can instantly see there are many things Bush and the Administration would've done differently, had they known what was going to happen.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6789|Southeastern USA
democratic and leader are mutually exlcusive
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6934|San Francisco

kr@cker wrote:

the Republican (and Libertarian) party is the more conservative of the system, however alot of people mistakenly see conservatism as "opposing change", whereas it is more accurate to say that it is "to approach change cautiously", with careful consideration of the longterm effects of the policy

The Democratic (and Green) party is more liberal, in that they wish to initiate change radically or on a more reactionary plane, whatever it takes to make something happen right away

it is the duties of all parties in a government to govern change, if change was not needed then we would only need the courts and the military for defense
I'm going to call you on this one.  Your definitions are for the most part correct, but I'll define them properly again just as I did in the last thread about this:

Conservative

1.  Favoring traditional views and values, tending to oppose change.
2.  Moderate and cautious.
3.  Bourgeois; opposed to liberal reforms; Political extreme = Reactionary.

Reactionaries are people that want to move culture backwards, or want to drag progress to a grinding halt since they really want to keep their lifestyles the same as "was before."

Liberal

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2.  Favoring reform, open to ideas for progress, broad-minded.
3.  One who favors progress and political reform and protection of civil liberties
4.  Favors laissez-faire and self-regulating economic markets.

Radicals are the political extremes of Social and Economic Liberalism.  The want to promote extremely fast change which, in general, can have adverse effects both socially and economically.

The point I'm calling you on is your perception of the cause and consequence of both methods.  Liberal/progressive reform, while mainly actively changing things now, is actually aimed at goals in the future.  The consequences for Liberal actions are taken into careful consideration before they are enacted.

Conservative/reactionary reform is decidedly blunt, aimed to withdraw elements of progress/change in the system in order to maintain the status-quo for the time being, without looking at the consequences of the actions in the long run.  Tax breaks, for instance, ease the social pressure of the government during a president's time in office (and people tend to not like to pay taxes) so it's regarded as a good thing...But, a tax break means less income/revenue for the government in the long run, and tends to run us deeper into a national defecit.
LordMelkor666
Member
+2|6766
Demorcrats.. the more liberal ones anyway..

like to be extremely politicaly correct. in the strive for political correctness they try to take Under God out of our pledge of alliegence. they try to take God out of everything, and seeing how our counrty was based off of a christian based religion. this seems very stupid and unconstitutional, seeing as how God is the reason for the constition, they used his rules as guidelines...

he believe in rasing taxes to pay for everything.. they dont believe in guns.. they think that guns kill people which is not true.. people with guns kill people.. but do those people even have gun permits in the first place?? no. in the states that have more citizens with guns the crime and murder rate is lower

also they are supporting the whole illeagal immigration issue. they believe that by sending all the illeagals back we are destroying our economy, which is plainly not true.. because they dont pay taxes and live off of our welfare (the majority do). also why would we want a bunch of rascist Mexicas running through our streets bruning our flag raising theres high screaming Viva La Mexico anyways?? (thats what they did in their protests).

in conclusion of this party.. they are complete idiots.. i mean im not saying republicans are any better.. but this party has very few good things about them..


The Republican Party.

well we like to lower the taxes (nobody likes them anyways.) we find other ways the get money. we do have a habbit to try and raise taxes on the wealthy (not very constitutional)

we go to war.. republicans often go to war much more the democrats (not very good, cause sometimes its not neccasary)

we arent scared to "offened" anyone..

we dont believe guns are wrong. they are encouraged. they reduce crime and murder.

our current president is a republican.. but hes a complete dumbass.. (i honestly think its not our business to be in Iraq fighting their civil war.. we should have left after we got Sadam) but what can i say?? at least he is better then Kerry or Gore (the oposing canidates)

In conclusion on the republican party.. we are also complete idiots.. but we arent as stupid as the democratcs we also do alot of retarded things. but we do some good things as well.



In conclusion of both parties.. they are both extremely retarded sometimes..
but the republican party has alot more common sense.. they try to solve the problem (example: they attempt to kick out illeagals)
Democrats arent as smart (example: Instead of solving the problem they try to cover it up in the case with the illeagals, what do they do?? they raise the taxes to pay for their welfare)

all of this is fact (except the parts where i state how retarded someone is)

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