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CameronPoe wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Jahmenred please don't use "guilt trip" style stories and pictures to put your side across of the argument because you know there are 1000s of more horific stories and pics to come out of the IRA's sickening activities.  Here is just one of the "campaigns the IRA undertook (for those who don't know, these people hold the same views as Jah and Camronpoe on Ireland and are willing to do this). 

At 3.10pm on Saturday, August 15th, 1998, a 500Ib car bomb exploded in Market Street, Omagh. It caused carnage on a scale never before seen in Northern Ireland. A total of 29 people were killed, as well as two unborn children, and hundreds were injured in the IRA atrocity. At the time, many felt it was the outrage to end all killings. Sadly, this has not been the case. Today, relatives of three victims talk about their feelings, as we approach the third anniversary of the Omagh 'massacre'.

Below are all the victims of the IRA who were massacre as they went about their daily lives. The only picture missing is the picture of the two unborn twins.

http://www.battlehill395.freeserve.co.u … ictims.jpg

How do I alert a mod? This is a blatant blackening of my name for no reason. I DO NOT AND HAVE NEVER CONDONED THE TAKING OF CIVILIAN LIVES. You are one serious little cuntbag. What kind of slur is this!?!?! Are you thick or something - have you read anything I've said. It's like all of your opinions of me are just presumptins based on things you think I might think.

I think he set the record straight in his next post.

oh, hi there boris

CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Just to Poe and JahMan no one OWNS land, the land was here before we were around and it will still be there when we are gone, however if people CHOOSE to be part of a community in this case Great Britain it is their right to do so. If people in NI dont want to be part of great britain then theres always Ireland where they can live with other people of a similar mind frame.

Vilham - Ireland was invaded by Britain and now there is a mixture of indigineous irish people and british settlers in Northern Ireland, nearly 50/50. Are you suggesting the irish in the north clear out of their homes because they hold a desire not to be part of the UK, when in fact they never wanted to be in the UK in the first place but had it forced upon them?

True and you just completely countered your own arguement too, the people that do want to be part of the UK the majority in NI would have to move to stay as part of the UK. My point still stands: land is land, you didnt own it 10,000 years ago because you werent there, thats just the same as going back 800 years, if your going to drag up the past from beyond the last 50 years it is completely irrelivent. The irish then arent even close to the irish now, just as the english 800 years ago arent even close to the english now.

Vilham wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Just to Poe and JahMan no one OWNS land, the land was here before we were around and it will still be there when we are gone, however if people CHOOSE to be part of a community in this case Great Britain it is their right to do so. If people in NI dont want to be part of great britain then theres always Ireland where they can live with other people of a similar mind frame.

Vilham - Ireland was invaded by Britain and now there is a mixture of indigineous irish people and british settlers in Northern Ireland, nearly 50/50. Are you suggesting the irish in the north clear out of their homes because they hold a desire not to be part of the UK, when in fact they never wanted to be in the UK in the first place but had it forced upon them?

True and you just completely countered your own arguement too, the people that do want to be part of the UK the majority in NI would have to move to stay as part of the UK. My point still stands: land is land, you didnt own it 10,000 years ago because you werent there, thats just the same as going back 800 years, if your going to drag up the past from beyond the last 50 years it is completely irrelivent. The irish then arent even close to the irish now, just as the english 800 years ago arent even close to the english now.

My argument isn't particularly about the land but about the sovereignty of the land. I believe it should be under Irish sovereign control. I'm not suggesting all Unionists in the north be expelled, that would be ludicrous. They would still have all of the freedoms they enjoy in the UK (civil, religious, etc.) in the Republic, as enshrined in our consitution and guaranteed to all citizens.

spastic bullet wrote:

Some of the ignorance on this thread is nothing short of astounding.

Vilham, Great Britain is an island.  Look it up.  Ireland is an island.  Look it up.  Its northernmost point is in the Republic, not "Northern Ireland".  Funny thing that, eh?

WTF are you talking about, when did i even talk about where NI is? I didnt... NI is the northeast corner of Ireland. When i said Great Britain i meant the UK, basically i made 1 small mistype and you act like a spacktard.

Edit - what the hell is that link meant to show, the only part there that talks about NI is talking about their political parties, it doesnt mention anything about the UKs elected government.

Last edited by Vilham (2006-06-16 12:14:56)

Vilham wrote:

spastic bullet wrote:

Some of the ignorance on this thread is nothing short of astounding.

Vilham, Great Britain is an island.  Look it up.  Ireland is an island.  Look it up.  Its northernmost point is in the Republic, not "Northern Ireland".  Funny thing that, eh?

WTF are you talking about, when did i even talk about where NI is? I didnt... NI is the northeast corner of Ireland. When i said Great Britain i meant the UK, basically i made 1 small mistype and you act like a spacktard.

Edit - what the hell is that link meant to show, the only part there that talks about NI is talking about their political parties, it doesnt mention anything about the UKs elected government.

Yeah, you did change it in subsequent posts to UK, so I'll give you that.  But this was the quote: "If people in NI dont want to be part of great britain then theres always Ireland."  Read it again knowing "Britain" to mean the island it is, and maybe you'll agree it's not such a "small mistype", them already being in Ireland and not in Britain at all.  But if you say you meant UK, fair enough.  They're still already in Ireland.

About the previous link, yeah it's ironic they don't mention that the creation of NI itself is an obvious example of gerrymandering.  That was my main point -- didn't occur they could have a section on NI without mentioning that.  My bad, I guess, but I honestly thought it was common knowledge NI's borders were specifically drawn to ensure maximum area, but with a safe Unionist majority.  Per the OP, there was a fair amount of border-creation going on around that time, though, so maybe it all runs together to some extent...

Anyway, I was referring more to EstebanRey re: the more inflammatory shit; careless editing on my part made it seem mostly directed at you.  I think you've been the more reasonable over the thread.  Yeah, you're welcome...

Last edited by spastic bullet (2006-06-17 01:22:01)

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Jahmenred please don't use "guilt trip" style stories and pictures to put your side across of the argument because you know there are 1000s of more horific stories and pics to come out of the IRA's sickening activities.  Here is just one of the "campaigns the IRA undertook (for those who don't know, these people hold the same views as Jah and Camronpoe on Ireland and are willing to do this). 

At 3.10pm on Saturday, August 15th, 1998, a 500Ib car bomb exploded in Market Street, Omagh. It caused carnage on a scale never before seen in Northern Ireland. A total of 29 people were killed, as well as two unborn children, and hundreds were injured in the IRA atrocity. At the time, many felt it was the outrage to end all killings. Sadly, this has not been the case. Today, relatives of three victims talk about their feelings, as we approach the third anniversary of the Omagh 'massacre'.

Below are all the victims of the IRA who were massacre as they went about their daily lives. The only picture missing is the picture of the two unborn twins.

http://www.battlehill395.freeserve.co.u … ictims.jpg

Maybe the picture was slightly inappropriate, ill give you that. But when I am faced with blind denial of the facts, I try to use shock tactics to humanize these people you talk about so flippantly. If you had taken the time to research the facts you would have realized that the above atrocity was committed by the Real IRA, a group of hard liners numbering no more that 40 men according to the British sources. Omagh is a predominantly Nationalist town, so they were infact bombing their own ppl. Insane. The IRA was on cease fire and hadn't fired a shot in years and hasn't since. They are now pursuing a united Ireland through politics. These are the facts, please do not try and twist that to fit your agenda as before.
I and Cameronpoe have both made it clear that the IRA in its infancy was a necessary evil. But what it turned into in the late 70s and 80s was a much harder line Wing of The IRA, the Provisional IRA which were much more indiscriminate in their activities.

Now regarding this "(for those who don't know, these people hold the same views as Jah and Camronpoe on Ireland and are willing to do this). "

You try and associate me with the Omagh bombings? You don't even know the basic facts about it and you obviously don't know anything about me either. I could rant at you with insults, but I don't want to stoop to your level, People like you are whats wrong with the world.

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

I do not believe that either Cameron or Jah condone the killings of innocent people but both of them drag up the attrocities of Bloody Sunday whilst not offsetting it with what the IRA have done over the years.  They want to advertise the acts of the British concerning this one incident, whilst not talking about the many, many incidents the IRA have created.

The only reason it is "dragged up" is because we both live on an Island which is partly occupied by another country. Which had/has a guerrilla army and religious factions killing each other for 30 years. Sound familiar? When it is "Dragged up" its to draw parallels with what is happening in Iraqi and/or Palestine. Bloody Sunday is "dragged up" because its the catalyst which polarized two Religious sections of a community against each other and what revitalized the IRA and sent them on a killing rampage for 30 years.