Its obvious from reading the above posts that both parties are bias and won't see eye to eye no matter how much we discuss this.
I like Cameron draw allot of parallels to current wars and occupations to what has happened here in Ireland. The Irish see the IRA in its early days IS what forced the British government to grant the Irish in N.Ireland basic human rights, one man one vote etc. I wouldn't say that its 'Propaganda' by any stretch. Like Poe I live in an occupied country and therefore we have experience. The reason Bloody Sunday is referred to is because it was the biggest recruiting Sargent in IRA history. An atrocity committed by an occupying force which transformed the IRA from a small movement to a well organized guerrilla force. Same think is happening in Iraqi and Palestine. Both countries are talked about quite allot here.
"It was provoked by some pikey kids throwing rocks" WTF would you know huh? Did you by any chance have a look at the bloody Sunday commissions findings? They are available on the net. Before you cast random untrue bullshit around, at least have a look and find out the facts. After all this is serious talk not made up talk.
And the reason the Irish were over tarmacking your drives was because our country was oppressed into such a state that the only work that could be found was in England. And in fact the trend has now reversed. I was in Dublin 2 weeks ago and every man in a hole in a road was from an English contractor, because Ireland is now booming.
Force an English man is going to defend his country.....but if you took the trouble to look at it from an unbiased angle you would have to agree that England has done more harm that good in Ireland over the years.
On a side note. I worked for an Ex RUC special branch officer for 5 years and he left because if the collusion between his colleges and terrorist organizations such as the UDA and UVF, the British security forces gave out information to terrorists to kill solicitors and other people. He also mentioned and Ive read it in a few places that the IRA at the height of the troubles was the best intelligence gathering army in the world after the Israeli army. So they were not a bunch of thick paddies running around shooting randomly as you insinuate.
I like Cameron draw allot of parallels to current wars and occupations to what has happened here in Ireland. The Irish see the IRA in its early days IS what forced the British government to grant the Irish in N.Ireland basic human rights, one man one vote etc. I wouldn't say that its 'Propaganda' by any stretch. Like Poe I live in an occupied country and therefore we have experience. The reason Bloody Sunday is referred to is because it was the biggest recruiting Sargent in IRA history. An atrocity committed by an occupying force which transformed the IRA from a small movement to a well organized guerrilla force. Same think is happening in Iraqi and Palestine. Both countries are talked about quite allot here.
"It was provoked by some pikey kids throwing rocks" WTF would you know huh? Did you by any chance have a look at the bloody Sunday commissions findings? They are available on the net. Before you cast random untrue bullshit around, at least have a look and find out the facts. After all this is serious talk not made up talk.
And the reason the Irish were over tarmacking your drives was because our country was oppressed into such a state that the only work that could be found was in England. And in fact the trend has now reversed. I was in Dublin 2 weeks ago and every man in a hole in a road was from an English contractor, because Ireland is now booming.
Force an English man is going to defend his country.....but if you took the trouble to look at it from an unbiased angle you would have to agree that England has done more harm that good in Ireland over the years.
On a side note. I worked for an Ex RUC special branch officer for 5 years and he left because if the collusion between his colleges and terrorist organizations such as the UDA and UVF, the British security forces gave out information to terrorists to kill solicitors and other people. He also mentioned and Ive read it in a few places that the IRA at the height of the troubles was the best intelligence gathering army in the world after the Israeli army. So they were not a bunch of thick paddies running around shooting randomly as you insinuate.
Last edited by JahManRed (2006-06-16 06:36:46)
