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2006-06-03 10:59:25
Jinto-sk
Laid Back Yorkshireman
+183|6847|Scarborough Yorkshire England
PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO ANOTHER LETS ALL FLAME US/EUROPEAN SPORTS

One thing I (as a european) have noticed about the U.S. sports is that they are all high scoring, as opposed to a E.G. 1-0 in soccer.
Any thoughts on this.

Another thing I have noticed is that Baseball and American Football are very much about bursts of speed and power. What I mean by this is that they are not continuos sports like Soccer with half time break. They are kind of slow in duration but the action is a quick burst of action e.g. - Baseball - The pitch (power + Speed), The bat  (if connects with the ball - power) The sprint (power + speed), then it all calms down again till we get the next pitch. (it is all most like players get a rest inbetween). American Football is similar the teams line up, the hike lots of tackling (bursts of power) QB hands off to line backer (power + speed) or QB throws to a reciever who catches it and makes 1st down (power, speed, agility). again it all calms down and they start again. 

I hope people understand what I am getting at European Sports tend to be a continuos game (Basketball falls into this catagory) where as U.S. sports tend to be stop start with short moments of Speed, Power Agility etc. I think the Americans thrive off the bursts of excellence from individuals.

I am always amazed that an American football team has so many players - offence, deffence, special plays, and the fact that they come and go off the field as they please, European sports are often a limited number of substitutions

I am not looking for being flamed just expressing what I see as the difference between U.S. and European sports.  I know there are some sports of both which fall into opposite catagories (cricket for example), but a discussion on what other people notice about other countries sports (with out flaming that country) would be interesting.
Maybe if you always wanted to know certain rules or why the ref gave that decision for a foreign sport you could ask it here.

Hope this works
2006-06-03 13:21:34
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7028|PNW

You could start by asking why so many funky pro-Steelers calls were made in the recent Seahawks-vs-Steelers Superbowl. We're all scratching our heads over it in the states. Alot of people refuse to buy the DVD because of it...even Steelers fans. Tried getting my dad to rent it for comedy value, but he was disgusted with the radio broadcast.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-06-03 13:24:08)

2006-06-03 13:39:58
Pinto
Member
+13|6835

Jinto-sk wrote:

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO ANOTHER LETS ALL FLAME US/EUROPEAN SPORTS

One thing I (as a european) have noticed about the U.S. sports is that they are all high scoring, as opposed to a E.G. 1-0 in soccer.
Any thoughts on this.

Another thing I have noticed is that Baseball and American Football are very much about bursts of speed and power. What I mean by this is that they are not continuos sports like Soccer with half time break. They are kind of slow in duration but the action is a quick burst of action e.g. - Baseball - The pitch (power + Speed), The bat  (if connects with the ball - power) The sprint (power + speed), then it all calms down again till we get the next pitch. (it is all most like players get a rest inbetween). American Football is similar the teams line up, the hike lots of tackling (bursts of power) QB hands off to line backer (power + speed) or QB throws to a reciever who catches it and makes 1st down (power, speed, agility). again it all calms down and they start again. 

I hope people understand what I am getting at European Sports tend to be a continuos game (Basketball falls into this catagory) where as U.S. sports tend to be stop start with short moments of Speed, Power Agility etc. I think the Americans thrive off the bursts of excellence from individuals.

I am always amazed that an American football team has so many players - offence, deffence, special plays, and the fact that they come and go off the field as they please, European sports are often a limited number of substitutions

I am not looking for being flamed just expressing what I see as the difference between U.S. and European sports.  I know there are some sports of both which fall into opposite catagories (cricket for example), but a discussion on what other people notice about other countries sports (with out flaming that country) would be interesting.
Maybe if you always wanted to know certain rules or why the ref gave that decision for a foreign sport you could ask it here.

Hope this works
Only American Football is a US sport.  Cricket and rugby are UK/British empire sports.  Hockey, basketball, baseball, soccer, volleyball, track&field, tennis, etc are world sports, with some having varying degrees of popularity, so I don't buy your comparison of US vs Europe sports.  (I'd also like to know what sports you label, "European".) 

I do agree with your observation about Americans prefer high scoring games, which is probably the #1 reason why soccer isn't as popular here.

I've also posted this link in the thread which this thread spun-off from, but wanted to post it again since it was buried there and subsequently closed:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

This ranks all of the sports on various factors, so you can test your speed/power theory.

Last edited by Pinto (2006-06-03 13:45:28)

2006-06-03 16:13:31
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6966|Sweden
I personally dont care too much about national football (soccer), champions league is nothing to me. However, i love world cups and the country-versus-country play. Now, im not saying too much, but i recon that the country-versus-country thing is something that americans sport don't have. Except for baseball that is. The other thing is that in football, the chance is much higher that the worser team is going to win. This makes other sports easy to predict, you know what im saying? But supporting my country is what makes Football interesting to me.
2006-06-03 16:16:16
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6911|United States of America

Pinto wrote:

Jinto-sk wrote:

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO ANOTHER LETS ALL FLAME US/EUROPEAN SPORTS

One thing I (as a european) have noticed about the U.S. sports is that they are all high scoring, as opposed to a E.G. 1-0 in soccer.
Any thoughts on this.

Another thing I have noticed is that Baseball and American Football are very much about bursts of speed and power. What I mean by this is that they are not continuos sports like Soccer with half time break. They are kind of slow in duration but the action is a quick burst of action e.g. - Baseball - The pitch (power + Speed), The bat  (if connects with the ball - power) The sprint (power + speed), then it all calms down again till we get the next pitch. (it is all most like players get a rest inbetween). American Football is similar the teams line up, the hike lots of tackling (bursts of power) QB hands off to line backer (power + speed) or QB throws to a reciever who catches it and makes 1st down (power, speed, agility). again it all calms down and they start again. 

I hope people understand what I am getting at European Sports tend to be a continuos game (Basketball falls into this catagory) where as U.S. sports tend to be stop start with short moments of Speed, Power Agility etc. I think the Americans thrive off the bursts of excellence from individuals.

I am always amazed that an American football team has so many players - offence, deffence, special plays, and the fact that they come and go off the field as they please, European sports are often a limited number of substitutions

I am not looking for being flamed just expressing what I see as the difference between U.S. and European sports.  I know there are some sports of both which fall into opposite catagories (cricket for example), but a discussion on what other people notice about other countries sports (with out flaming that country) would be interesting.
Maybe if you always wanted to know certain rules or why the ref gave that decision for a foreign sport you could ask it here.

Hope this works
Only American Football is a US sport.  Cricket and rugby are UK/British empire sports.  Hockey, basketball, baseball, soccer, volleyball, track&field, tennis, etc are world sports, with some having varying degrees of popularity, so I don't buy your comparison of US vs Europe sports.  (I'd also like to know what sports you label, "European".) 

I do agree with your observation about Americans prefer high scoring games, which is probably the #1 reason why soccer isn't as popular here.

I've also posted this link in the thread which this thread spun-off from, but wanted to post it again since it was buried there and subsequently closed:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

This ranks all of the sports on various factors, so you can test your speed/power theory.
I agree with both of you and think you guys are very ensightful.
2006-06-03 16:58:27
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6931|Moscow, Russia

Major_Spittle wrote:

I agree with both of you and think you guys are very ensightful.
Haha, you seem to follow the advices given to you in the nearby thread lol. Just don't be so sweet like a 7-year old girl))) I gave you a +1 Karma for the statement that made me laugh:

Major_Spittle wrote:

reDragon is a smackTard.  Ha can't neg. karma me again can you you shit stain panty waste.
It's that simple lol. Good luck in getting out of that negative pit.
2006-06-03 17:53:29
BVC
Member
+325|6951

Pinto wrote:

Only American Football is a US sport.  Cricket and rugby are UK/British empire sports.
*useless sporting trivia*
An aside, The USA have participated in Rugby world cups and have even won matches, defeating Japan both times the two sides have met during the course of the RWC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Rugby_World_Cup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Rugby_World_Cup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Rugby_World_Cup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Rugby_World_Cup

And with 3 teams from the Americas guaranteed places, it looks like the USA may be participating again in France, 2007
*/useless sporting trivia*
2006-06-04 05:22:03
Jinto-sk
Laid Back Yorkshireman
+183|6847|Scarborough Yorkshire England

Pinto wrote:

Jinto-sk wrote:

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO ANOTHER LETS ALL FLAME US/EUROPEAN SPORTS

One thing I (as a european) have noticed about the U.S. sports is that they are all high scoring, as opposed to a E.G. 1-0 in soccer.
Any thoughts on this.

Another thing I have noticed is that Baseball and American Football are very much about bursts of speed and power. What I mean by this is that they are not continuos sports like Soccer with half time break. They are kind of slow in duration but the action is a quick burst of action e.g. - Baseball - The pitch (power + Speed), The bat  (if connects with the ball - power) The sprint (power + speed), then it all calms down again till we get the next pitch. (it is all most like players get a rest inbetween). American Football is similar the teams line up, the hike lots of tackling (bursts of power) QB hands off to line backer (power + speed) or QB throws to a reciever who catches it and makes 1st down (power, speed, agility). again it all calms down and they start again. 

I hope people understand what I am getting at European Sports tend to be a continuos game (Basketball falls into this catagory) where as U.S. sports tend to be stop start with short moments of Speed, Power Agility etc. I think the Americans thrive off the bursts of excellence from individuals.

I am always amazed that an American football team has so many players - offence, deffence, special plays, and the fact that they come and go off the field as they please, European sports are often a limited number of substitutions

I am not looking for being flamed just expressing what I see as the difference between U.S. and European sports.  I know there are some sports of both which fall into opposite catagories (cricket for example), but a discussion on what other people notice about other countries sports (with out flaming that country) would be interesting.
Maybe if you always wanted to know certain rules or why the ref gave that decision for a foreign sport you could ask it here.

Hope this works
Only American Football is a US sport.  Cricket and rugby are UK/British empire sports.  Hockey, basketball, baseball, soccer, volleyball, track&field, tennis, etc are world sports, with some having varying degrees of popularity, so I don't buy your comparison of US vs Europe sports.  (I'd also like to know what sports you label, "European".) 

I do agree with your observation about Americans prefer high scoring games, which is probably the #1 reason why soccer isn't as popular here.

I've also posted this link in the thread which this thread spun-off from, but wanted to post it again since it was buried there and subsequently closed:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

This ranks all of the sports on various factors, so you can test your speed/power theory.
Ok to label them just U.S. + European sports was wrong, what I meant was more along the line of National/favorite sports e.g. UK = soccer, cricket, rugby, U.S. = Basketball, baseball, football, I don't think these 3 US national sports are the national sports of any European countries, I know Baseball is very popular in countries around central Amarica (US influence perhaps) + Japan.
Hockey is played in many European countries (I take it when you say hockey you mean Ice Hockey) but this is a fast paced not stop start sport
I suppose the only true national european sport would be soccer.

I would say Rugby is not a british empire sport there are plenty of nations that we didn't rule that play rugby, but I fully agree with cricket being a British Empire sport, Snooker also.
I would say that out of your list soccer, track&field + tennis (I did note the ETC. and varying popularity) are the only world sports.

Nearly Every nation has a team for all the sports we talk about, but in my opinion a world sport is when you think of that sport and can name a large proportion of different nationalities/individuals competing (mainly individual participation as you say tennis, athletics, pool, golf) but this then brings us to the debate that a lot of sports appear in the olympics, and therefore they must be world sports. But isn't the olympics supposed to be for amature's.
The chart for speed, power etc. was cool and all the favorite american sports were in the top 10
Any way I am at work at the moment so I best post this and do some work
Comments please.

Last edited by Jinto-sk (2006-06-04 05:27:38)

2006-06-04 05:42:23
Random-Hero58
Member
+10|6815|TX
Play football on your high school team with only like 15 players and then try to say it is start and stop when you have no sub.
2006-10-20 12:03:38
Jinto-sk
Laid Back Yorkshireman
+183|6847|Scarborough Yorkshire England

Random-Hero58 wrote:

Play football on your high school team with only like 15 players and then try to say it is start and stop when you have no sub.
lol that's tough dude
but at pro level that would not happen
2006-10-20 13:05:09
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6965|Wilmington, DE, US
Magic the Gathering is on ESPN2 sometimes, does that make it a sport?
2006-10-20 13:39:55
{uscm}Jyden
You likey leaky?
+433|6934|In You Endo- Stoke

Ikarti wrote:

Magic the Gathering is on ESPN2 sometimes, does that make it a sport?
LOL dude, International geek sport! (i may of pleyed when i was younger)

I think what the OP is true.
American football is easily my favorite sport watch it every week, there is alot of stop and start and always down to power+speed over short periods.
Football "soccer" has two half's of 45 minutes,if i tried that now i would collapse after 10 mintues!

TBH i thought baseball is an american thing as they have the world series that has all the american teams and no other countries in there.
2006-10-20 13:56:48
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6837|SE London

Jinto-sk wrote:

Pinto wrote:

Jinto-sk wrote:

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO ANOTHER LETS ALL FLAME US/EUROPEAN SPORTS

One thing I (as a european) have noticed about the U.S. sports is that they are all high scoring, as opposed to a E.G. 1-0 in soccer.
Any thoughts on this.

Another thing I have noticed is that Baseball and American Football are very much about bursts of speed and power. What I mean by this is that they are not continuos sports like Soccer with half time break. They are kind of slow in duration but the action is a quick burst of action e.g. - Baseball - The pitch (power + Speed), The bat  (if connects with the ball - power) The sprint (power + speed), then it all calms down again till we get the next pitch. (it is all most like players get a rest inbetween). American Football is similar the teams line up, the hike lots of tackling (bursts of power) QB hands off to line backer (power + speed) or QB throws to a reciever who catches it and makes 1st down (power, speed, agility). again it all calms down and they start again. 

I hope people understand what I am getting at European Sports tend to be a continuos game (Basketball falls into this catagory) where as U.S. sports tend to be stop start with short moments of Speed, Power Agility etc. I think the Americans thrive off the bursts of excellence from individuals.

I am always amazed that an American football team has so many players - offence, deffence, special plays, and the fact that they come and go off the field as they please, European sports are often a limited number of substitutions

I am not looking for being flamed just expressing what I see as the difference between U.S. and European sports.  I know there are some sports of both which fall into opposite catagories (cricket for example), but a discussion on what other people notice about other countries sports (with out flaming that country) would be interesting.
Maybe if you always wanted to know certain rules or why the ref gave that decision for a foreign sport you could ask it here.

Hope this works
Only American Football is a US sport.  Cricket and rugby are UK/British empire sports.  Hockey, basketball, baseball, soccer, volleyball, track&field, tennis, etc are world sports, with some having varying degrees of popularity, so I don't buy your comparison of US vs Europe sports.  (I'd also like to know what sports you label, "European".) 

I do agree with your observation about Americans prefer high scoring games, which is probably the #1 reason why soccer isn't as popular here.

I've also posted this link in the thread which this thread spun-off from, but wanted to post it again since it was buried there and subsequently closed:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

This ranks all of the sports on various factors, so you can test your speed/power theory.
Ok to label them just U.S. + European sports was wrong, what I meant was more along the line of National/favorite sports e.g. UK = soccer, cricket, rugby, U.S. = Basketball, baseball, football, I don't think these 3 US national sports are the national sports of any European countries, I know Baseball is very popular in countries around central Amarica (US influence perhaps) + Japan.
Hockey is played in many European countries (I take it when you say hockey you mean Ice Hockey) but this is a fast paced not stop start sport
I suppose the only true national european sport would be soccer.

I would say Rugby is not a british empire sport there are plenty of nations that we didn't rule that play rugby, but I fully agree with cricket being a British Empire sport, Snooker also.
I would say that out of your list soccer, track&field + tennis (I did note the ETC. and varying popularity) are the only world sports.

Nearly Every nation has a team for all the sports we talk about, but in my opinion a world sport is when you think of that sport and can name a large proportion of different nationalities/individuals competing (mainly individual participation as you say tennis, athletics, pool, golf) but this then brings us to the debate that a lot of sports appear in the olympics, and therefore they must be world sports. But isn't the olympics supposed to be for amature's.
The chart for speed, power etc. was cool and all the favorite american sports were in the top 10
Any way I am at work at the moment so I best post this and do some work
Comments please.
I disagree. I thought the way you labeled them to start with was fine. Rugby is definately a British sport, as is cricket. The only teams that play them (properly) are ex-British colonies; Australia, South Africa, West Indies, India, New Zealand, etc.

Virtually every country plays virtually every sport. By your logic this would mean no countries had any national sports, or vice versa. I think it shoud really come down to where the sport was invented - basketball, netball, volleyball, and lacrosse are the only ball games invented by Americans. Alternatively it could be determined by the countries success in that sport or, probably the most sensible way, by how popular it is.

I'm not sure about your whole stop-start idea either. You can hardly claim that cricket doesn't stop and start quite a bit. Rugby stops quite regularly too.
2006-10-20 14:01:29
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6966|Sweden

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:

I personally dont care too much about national football (soccer), champions league is nothing to me. However, i love world cups and the country-versus-country play. Now, im not saying too much, but i recon that the country-versus-country thing is something that americans sport don't have. Except for baseball that is. The other thing is that in football, the chance is much higher that the worser team is going to win. This makes other sports easy to predict, you know what im saying? But supporting my country is what makes Football interesting to me.
Oh god my english sucks
2006-10-20 14:04:59
evilcartman99
The Octagon
+18|6669|da ville, va
Alright here's a sport that is continuous and more tough than soccer, lacross. The Indian war game
2006-10-20 14:14:50
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6837|SE London

evilcartman99 wrote:

Alright here's a sport that is continuous and more tough than soccer, lacross. The Indian war game
What? Kabadi?
2006-10-20 14:15:10
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6747|Northern California
I think that American's like our preferred sports (basketball, football, baseball) most because they were lucky enough to be the major sports as all sports grew.  I also think the high scoring aspect you mention shows how we like more thrill per minute than there is in other sports.

For me, I hate all three of those sports because the athletes are whiney little bitches who hardly work for the money they make.  People like Barry Bonds, and all the gangster thugz in the nba and nfl just make the sports a joke.  Very little sportsmanship..and the fans suck too! (Yeah, you raider nation fags need to get a life!!)  *yep, i'm dead now*

I prefer all the underdog sports...soccer (real football), volleyball (beach, grass, indoor), and of course..hockey!  I've played all three putting in 15 years into volleyball even competing and placing in some pro-am matches..and an appearance in the jose cuervo gold grown in Santa Cruz, thank you very much!

I wish the US was a soccer loving nation. But as it is, not even money will get the best players to play in the states...all go to play in europe where the player pool is the best.

Oh yeah..

Pinto wrote:

Only American Football is a US sport.
American Football is played in other countries too.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-10-20 14:16:33)

2006-10-20 15:01:32
jonsimon
Member
+224|6751
Part of the reason substitutions are not limited in games likes basketball, football, and baseball, is the very taxing work they do. Pitchers, the most taxing of perhaps all sports rolls, basically destroy their arms for the game.

And, even though it appears that a lot of games, like football, are stop and go, the physical requirements in any team sport involve the glycolysis to some extent, and as such, an endurence aspect.

Sure, soccer is the most extreme team sport as far as endurence is considered, but as the extreme it isn't a great standard for the rest of the spectrum.
2006-10-20 15:03:53
smtt686
this is the best we can do?
+95|6887|USA

Jinto-sk wrote:

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO ANOTHER LETS ALL FLAME US/EUROPEAN SPORTS

One thing I (as a european) have noticed about the U.S. sports is that they are all high scoring, as opposed to a E.G. 1-0 in soccer.
Any thoughts on this.

Another thing I have noticed is that Baseball and American Football are very much about bursts of speed and power. What I mean by this is that they are not continuos sports like Soccer with half time break. They are kind of slow in duration but the action is a quick burst of action e.g. - Baseball - The pitch (power + Speed), The bat  (if connects with the ball - power) The sprint (power + speed), then it all calms down again till we get the next pitch. (it is all most like players get a rest inbetween). American Football is similar the teams line up, the hike lots of tackling (bursts of power) QB hands off to line backer (power + speed) or QB throws to a reciever who catches it and makes 1st down (power, speed, agility). again it all calms down and they start again. 

I hope people understand what I am getting at European Sports tend to be a continuos game (Basketball falls into this catagory) where as U.S. sports tend to be stop start with short moments of Speed, Power Agility etc. I think the Americans thrive off the bursts of excellence from individuals.

I am always amazed that an American football team has so many players - offence, deffence, special plays, and the fact that they come and go off the field as they please, European sports are often a limited number of substitutions

I am not looking for being flamed just expressing what I see as the difference between U.S. and European sports.  I know there are some sports of both which fall into opposite catagories (cricket for example), but a discussion on what other people notice about other countries sports (with out flaming that country) would be interesting.
Maybe if you always wanted to know certain rules or why the ref gave that decision for a foreign sport you could ask it here.

Hope this works
what about hockey?
2006-10-20 15:04:28
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6747|Northern California
In high school, i learned that water polo was the hardest sport, followed by wrestling...football was a joke..soccer was hard, track..well, iwas a sprinter/long/triple jumper..and all were quite easy.
2006-10-21 03:49:15
Jinto-sk
Laid Back Yorkshireman
+183|6847|Scarborough Yorkshire England
what about hockey?
This was not meant to be a definitive statement.
I am not saying that every U.S. Preferred sport is stop start.
Same as I am not saying Every Euro sport is continuous sport.

I would say rugby is more demanding than Football (soccer)
Rugby stops quite regularly too.
only for free kicks/penalties no more than football

Last edited by Jinto-sk (2006-10-21 03:53:05)

2006-10-21 04:40:48
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6877|London, England
No, i think nowadays Soccer (Football) is a stop and start game too. All the players fucking dive every five seconds for a free kick.
2006-10-21 04:51:18
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,054|6879|Little Bentcock
I play baseball here in Australia, and when I get to watch the U.S on baseball, I love it. But the world cup makes me giggle, probably because I dont know too much about it. The fact that the 'World' series only has U.s teams is strange for me, but I heard somewhere that the world series is a combination of the National League and is it American League? with the teams from those two leagues play each other or the champions play each other or something. Please enlighten lol.
2006-10-21 04:52:19
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7030|Noizyland

Rugby can be high scoring. A try is five points, a penalty is three, they definatly mount up  - especially if it's the All Blacks vs. Japan or something, (I believe that was 103 to 3 to the All Blacks last game I remember or something therabouts.)

I'm a Rugby-head. All New Zealanders are, I can't help it.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
2006-10-21 04:56:07
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7048

Jinto-sk wrote:

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO ANOTHER LETS ALL FLAME US/EUROPEAN SPORTS

One thing I (as a european) have noticed about the U.S. sports is that they are all high scoring, as opposed to a E.G. 1-0 in soccer.
Any thoughts on this.
It's interesting you think US sports are higher scoring than traditionally Empire or World sports.  American Football has its roots in rugby, which is equally high scoring.  And I don't think anything beats cricket for high scores.  Okay, football (soccer) is low-scoring but what about snooker?  And don't forget darts, where you start off with 501 points each.

Sport is one thing that unites people across the world, often in enemy nations.  India and Pakistan, often at loggerheads (where does that word come from??) with each other, still play cricket.  Even Zimbabwe, who hate the English for various reasons - they won't even let BBC journalists in the country - still want to play us at cricket.

Let's leave sport alone, don't use to increase the divisions between countries or continents.

 

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