BF2S Forums Patch 1.3, Dice, EA and those who complain....

ashleyhall wrote:

I love this site and the forums, but one thing that seriously irritates me are the number of sad pathetic losers 'dissing' EA and Dice for their obvious poor work on the patching, but forgetting their excellent work in terms of providing the game in the first place!

Have you not considered for one second that without the abilities of Dice and EA, we would not be on this site right now, the game wouldn't exist, and many of you would literally not have a life.

You have no right to criticise their origins, being based in Canada, nor to attack their skill and abilities - yes they fooked up with the patching, but bear in mind just how many operating systems, system configurations, graphics cards and software package combinations are present throughout the worldwide userbase of this game!!

NO ONE asked you to purchase the game, no one asks you to play it - that is YOUR choice, the fact that patches are available so frequently is rather rare in the IT industry, think yourselves lucky - eitherway your purchase, ownership and playing of the game is VOLUNTARY, and also consider the small sum you infact paid in the first place, £25.00 for me personally...£25 WELL SPENT as far as I'm concerned, patching or no patching.

All I ask is that before attacking EA and Dice, consider the above for just one second, then perhaps continue to post your shitty pathetic immature low IQ-level attack on two incredibly talented companies that have produced potentially a 'game changing' standard looking towards the future.

And for those with very little constructive to say in response to this, don't bother responding, instead reread my post and ask someone to interpret it for you.

you're lame dude. the consumer always has a right to complain, especially if the product fails to deliver it's promised benefit.  in this case, especially with the patch and the crashing "being able to play it."

you're sad. I really can't even begin to comprehend how stupid you would have to be to think that a consumer should just be grateful to a developer of a bad product because "without them we wouldn't have it." that is such poor reasoning. I imagine you're the type of persons that if you we're employed in a crappy work place and overhead people complaining you might say "well we should just be grateful for exploitative pay and the ability to be here, sure we don't get overtime and the boss is opressive, but without the boss we wouldn't even have a job!"

i am really perplexed by how stupid this post is.  If I buy a car and the dealer advertises it as a car that will drive, and it doesn't, then I have the right to say "fuck this dealer  and fuck this manufacturer." My response, unless I am totally incompetent, should not be "Well without the dealer and manufacturer I wouldn't even HAVE a car, so let's not forget the great work they did on the body and interior, regardless of it's inability to drive."

Last edited by ComradeWho (2006-06-04 14:22:34)

I got -1 for defending the consumer's right to complain about a product that fails to deliver it's advertised features (in this case with 1.3.. the ability to play the game). Who's the ignorant coward that thinks we should be grateful to big corporations who take our money and give us shit in return?

I think a lot of people here WOULD stop playing the game gladly if they could get their fucking money back.

Yup.. not much porn in here...

ashleyhall wrote:

Well you're unfortunately the sucker if you're led by adverts pushing you to purchase something - marketing departments and development teams are VERY far apart, if you're led by marketing I presume your house looks like an EBay/Macdonalds/Coca-cola Franchise.

You said in your original post that "No one asked you to buy this game".   I proved you wrong.  If the best retort you have is calling me an idiot for buying something that was advertised to me, well.....sounds like an un-intelligent lamer response to me.

ashleyhall wrote:

Do you really? What was so incredibly substantially wrong with the first release of BattleField? It was no where near unplayable, infact I can think of VERY few defects that would put me off the game or render is a flawed product. Perhaps your software house should increase standards so as not to put out such painfully flawed software/development releases. Don't judge other companies by your own standards.

If you bought a brand new house and nothing seemed to be wrong with it and then one year later you do a full inspection on your house. You find that termites are eating away at the frame, the pipes are bursting, the basements flooded and the electricity shorts out, the roof leaks and the A/C blows out hot air, then I suppose you would go back to the guy who sold you the house and thank him for giving you a place to live for twice the cost of most houses?

Shut the hell up.

ashleyhall wrote:

Well unfortunately I give very little attention to what you think, blatantly you haven't anything constructive to add based on your closing comments - perhaps it has not been explained in the past, but a forum is to vocalise FREE SPEECH and opinions that you wish to express - whether its been said a hundred, perhaps a thousand times, I have a RIGHT to express my feelings/opinions and put out any requests that I have. The majority will respond politely and constructively, there'll always however be the occasional few that are unable to do so - I see you represent Texas...

Free speech?  Isn't that exactly what I'm doing RIGHT now?  The majority of posts that have been constructive or halfway reasonable you have blown off while going through and picking off the quick one-liner insult posts and deemed them un-intelligent and non-constructive.  Also, nice Texas jab there you cunt, real constructive.

Have a great day.

ashleyhall wrote:

Do they not say that when leaving any burger bar/macdonalds? You really are seriously 'affected'.

Once again, you're a waste of human flesh and frankly you need to stop breathing my air.

Good for your Christian!! I also love the patch and cannot wait for the next...bear with me whilst I deal with this hill billy named Cougar...

You said in your original post that "No one asked you to buy this game".   I proved you wrong.  If the best retort you have is calling me an idiot for buying something that was advertised to me, well.....sounds like an un-intelligent lamer response to me.

You're very confused, how did you prove me wrong? Did someone threaten you and force you to buy the game? Otherwise I can only call you an idiot, its too apt and appropriate. Let me remind you of your previous statement...

Hillbilly (Cougar) wrote...Actually I received quite a few e-mails from EA asking, no wait...telling me to go to their site and buy BF2, buy SF, buy EF, BUY AF!!  So yes...I was asked.  I was also told.

Now you seem to be confused with the difference between a marketing campaign and a dictatorship - marketing campaigns are designed to persuade you to buy, however I understand that over in the US things may vary a little, particularly in the small naive states where you're led by cult and preaching, so I have sympathy for you, not hate.

My initial point however, that you seem to have misunderstood, is that Battlefields was developed by EA as a product, it wasn't pushed onto any of us, it was optional as to whether we purchased it or not. Skoda is a shit car manufacturer, hence I wouldn't buy one, now if you share similar views of EA, I suggest you stay clear from their future titles. The game when released was thoroughly playable with no major issues, even now its fully playable, infact I've just finished my evenings gaming. Why the HELL should EA spend even further resources and time fixing minor little bugs to keep dweebs such as yourself happy, particularly when you DISRESPECT them publically on a regular basis, you ignorant arrogant f*ck.

...and then...

If you bought a brand new house and nothing seemed to be wrong with it and then one year later you do a full inspection on your house. You find that termites are eating away at the frame, the pipes are bursting, the basements flooded and the electricity shorts out, the roof leaks and the A/C blows out hot air, then I suppose you would go back to the guy who sold you the house and thank him for giving you a place to live for twice the cost of most houses?

No...I'd face reality at the fact that upon purchasing the house, IT WAS FINE - and due to general wear, tear, upgrades, extensions, blah blah blah it had perhaps surcumb to a few minor defects. Eitherway, the house when first purchased was perfect.

Free speech?  Isn't that exactly what I'm doing RIGHT now?  The majority of posts that have been constructive or halfway reasonable you have blown off while going through and picking off the quick one-liner insult posts and deemed them un-intelligent and non-constructive.  Also, nice Texas jab there you cunt, real constructive.

I have greatly appreciated the constructive responses, and those posting such intelligent replies (cover you ears for a second Cougar, this doesn't apply to you), many thanks - any negative insults I've hurled have not been directed to you, I am simply defending the personal insults (Ohhhh and negative Karma... poor me...) that I have received from the lesser cotton picking morsals.

...and to conclude...

Once again, you're a waste of human flesh and frankly you need to stop breathing my air.

Dude, get back to your cows as we are most certainly not sharing the same air, I'd suggest your supply is perhaps congested with the sh*t encroaching from your mouth on a daily basis. Have a negative Karma to cheer you up.

You know what, it really amazes me just how childish many can be starting from a simple free speech post such as that I initially made - I didn't once incite any form of argument, I merely asked for views based on my post. Some disagreed but did so with an ounce of intelligence and tact, others weren't capable of such skills, sadly.

ashleyhall wrote:

Good for your Christian!! I also love the patch and cannot wait for the next...bear with me whilst I deal with this hill billy named Cougar...

Wow....calling me a Hillbilly now.  Witness the tell-tell death throws of a person who is losing an argument/debate.

ashleyhall wrote:

You're very confused, how did you prove me wrong? Did someone threaten you and force you to buy the game? Otherwise I can only call you an idiot, its too apt and appropriate. Let me remind you of your previous statement...

Mmmkay, allow me to show you. "NO ONE asked you to purchase the game, no one asks you to play it."

So by logic and the evidence in plain sight, YOU said no one asked me to buy it.  I told you they did by sending me e-mails.  Any further questions?

ashleyhall wrote:

Now you seem to be confused with the difference between a marketing campaign and a dictatorship - marketing campaigns are designed to persuade you to buy, however I understand that over in the US things may vary a little, particularly in the small naive states where you're led by cult and preaching, so I have sympathy for you, not hate.

I don't know who lied to you, but I'm not in a cult and I am not naive.  Just because I live in Texas doesn't mean I was born here and just because our President is an idiot and is from Texas doesn't mean everyone who lives here can't pronounce "nuclear".  It's a bit "naive" for someone like yourself who proclaims to be from a place that is neither naive nor unintelligent to say something like that.  Dare I ask if there are any idiots in Somerset?  I can think of one.  Also do tell, where exactly is "Somerset"?  Pennsylvania or perhaps abroad?

ashleyhall wrote:

My initial point however, that you seem to have misunderstood, is that Battlefields was developed by EA as a product, it wasn't pushed onto any of us, it was optional as to whether we purchased it or not. Skoda is a shit car manufacturer, hence I wouldn't buy one, now if you share similar views of EA, I suggest you stay clear from their future titles. The game when released was thoroughly playable with no major issues, even now its fully playable, infact I've just finished my evenings gaming. Why the HELL should EA spend even further resources and time fixing minor little bugs to keep dweebs such as yourself happy, particularly when you DISRESPECT them publically on a regular basis, you ignorant arrogant f*ck.

As a matter of fact it is pushed on us.  When you think about the BF2 of June 2005 and the BF2 of June 2006 they are almost two separate games.  The game we bought in 05 was what I paid $50 for and when EA made the decision to change the game we are forced to download the patch or we can no longer play on ranked servers, which was what the major selling point was for the original game.  People caught playing on non-updated ranked servers are in direct violation of the BF2 ROE and players found to be playing on these servers are potentially in a position to have their stats wiped.  That does kind of sound like a virtual dictatorship to me, doesn't it you?  "Do as we say or your stats and/or account and/or CD Key will be gone".

...and then...

ashleyhall wrote:

If you bought a brand new house and nothing seemed to be wrong with it and then one year later you do a full inspection on your house. You find that termites are eating away at the frame, the pipes are bursting, the basements flooded and the electricity shorts out, the roof leaks and the A/C blows out hot air, then I suppose you would go back to the guy who sold you the house and thank him for giving you a place to live for twice the cost of most houses?
No...I'd face reality at the fact that upon purchasing the house, IT WAS FINE - and due to general wear, tear, upgrades, extensions, blah blah blah it had perhaps surcumb to a few minor defects. Eitherway, the house when first purchased was perfect.

Then you are one extremely stupid person and it would probably be for the better if you were in the house when it collapsed.  If I ever want to make a living selling shit quality homes...I'm moving to Somerset.

ashleyhall wrote:

I have greatly appreciated the constructive responses, and those posting such intelligent replies (cover you ears for a second Cougar, this doesn't apply to you), many thanks - any negative insults I've hurled have not been directed to you, I am simply defending the personal insults (Ohhhh and negative Karma... poor me...) that I have received from the lesser cotton picking morsals.

No.......you only regard the comments like "Ohh emm gee, ashley u is totally write and i agree wit u 110%'s."  All the others are garbage as far as your concerned.  Instead of having a debate or selective argument with me you decided to call me a Hillbilly and make fun of my state and then have the audacity to say that I am "lesser" than you.  Shut the fuck up.

...and to conclude...

ashelyhall wrote:

More self centered egotistical non-sense bullshit that no one cares about but me.

Wow look, another one of those 'please don't post unless you agree' threads - despite calling for constructive criticism, what we see is anyone who disagrees or expresses themselves differently being classed as unintelligent, and despite a call for maturity, we see name-calling and racial slandering.

Even with all of that aside, how can you expect to post a 'please show respect' for Dice thread and not expect negative feedback, precisely when you are posting in a forum where you yourself have identified a current of ongoing criticism and 'whining'? Let alone that this is a thread on the internet, where anyone with an IQ high enough to register on the site and follow the forum rules has a right to express their opinion in any thread they want? The upshot of that rhetorical question is that you are essentially asking for an argument.

Anyway, to get back to the topic in question - identifying this as a great game, which it is, does not in any way excuse the developer for the ongoing mistakes they make in terms of support. Giving them money IS showing them respect in the logic of capitalist exchange.

Also, I am highly sceptical about the idea that software developers should somehow be exempt from criticism for their efforts because software compatability is such a volatile thing. The fact of the matter is, if you're going to release a product into the market, you have to make sure it's a good product if you expect your customers to be happy. It's obvious that a great deal of EA/Dice's customer's aren't happy, and that simple relationship is enough to explain and warrant people being able to say what they want about the product they have purchased.

If software is such a difficult product to make functional - this is actaully not something that should be relevant to consumers; instead it has everything to do with what consumers are led to believe when making a decision about whether to purchase a product or not. In this case, I seriously doubt that many people who bought this game would have done so if they were really shown the extent to which BF2 is difficult to keep stable, and how this was likely to impact future support in the form of patches - let alone how the actual patching process has been shown to introduce as many problems as it takes away. Instead, they would probably have said 'yeah that's a great beta, but please fix the code'.

Once again, don't misunderstand what I am saying - it is a great effort, but if software products are to be released into the market it's up to their developers to make sure they are releasing a functional product, and not a case where the customers should 'just shut up' with their disgruntled opinions when it proves to be less then completely functional.

there. couldn't help myself. carry on flaming.

edit: btw Cougar, if I'm thinking of the right one then Somerset is in England.

Last edited by oberst_enzian (2006-06-04 23:50:17)

ashley i gotta say

you just ignored the entire point of my post. it really seems like you're the one avoiding talking about it. who cares if you wouldn't give your money back - that was not a response to what i said. obviously a little apologist twerp like you who is telling people to just be "grateful" as if they owe the group that they purchase a product from something is not going to want money back.

BalisticallyYoursDoes everyone understand, that to this point.... all the "F'ed" up patches were the result of people bitching about the original gameplay, for this thanks assholes. You want perfection go pay monthly for an MMO.

Well put, updates are provided for this game WITHOUT OBLIGATION, unlike an MMO where you're paying for a continually updating service. BF2 is an initial outlay followed by no contractual obligation to 'change anything', its not a case of putting things right with the majority of updates made.

ashleyhall wrote:

I'm quite happy to listen to constructive posts that respond taking into account my initial post, the fact that VERY FEW here show any form of respect to Dice and EA - I stoop down to the level of some when responding so as to ease their interpretation of my reply.

Many have responded constructively, I appreciate the sharing of views - to the others of lesser opinion and more personal attack natured replies (which I did not initiate) you're pathetic! Grow up!

BF2 now (on patch 1.3) is hardly different to the game of June 05, its almost identical - get real, enjoy the game and give both software houses the respect that they deserve, particularly when they do eventually solve the minor problems currently related to the game...but in my opinion not substantially affecting it.

Cougar wrote:
you only regard the comments like "Ohh emm gee, ashley u is totally write and i agree wit u 110%'s."

Get back to school and learn how to spell/write/punctuate/discuss.

Ashley,
dude... your initial post wasn't constructive. it was a "fuck you" and "shut up" to "complainers" who appearantly you thought should be grateful to the mighty gods at EA for allowing them to purchase a product.

your talk about "constructive" posts is just a way for you to feel like you're controlling the conversation and ignore comments you don't like. because of that you're one of the most immature people i've seen post here and that is saying a lot. Here's a constructive criticism - you're a coward - and on the internet too. Usually the place where cowards come to pretend that they're confident.  Try and be less of a coward.  Constructive enough? You just ignore posts you couldn't possibly respond to (because your original position is an absurdity) and then pick the parts of other posts that you want to address - all the while totally ignoring the main thrust of all the replies.

ashleyhall wrote:

Try and be less of a coward.  Constructive enough? You just ignore posts you couldn't possibly respond to (because your original position is an absurdity) and then pick the parts of other posts that you want to address - all the while totally ignoring the main thrust of all the replies.

Absurdity?? I think not!! - Read my original post, it wasn't written to incite name calling or anything similar - yes it WAS constructive and to the point, it was stating fact, that none of those that moan/complain/bicker show ANY form of respect to the two companies involved.

I have been forced to ignore the 'main thrust' of replies due to their childish immature nature, but highly respect those that have responded with a degree of intelligence.

I suggest you have misinterpreted or joined the thread at a late stage, and suggest you reread my original post. And I disagree that any of the points noted are at all major, I certainly have any any kind of serious issue with any of them. Perhaps its your hardware  ;o)

it's absurd to think that the consumer owes a company any amount of respect when a faulty product is taken into consideration.

After reading the thread I feel that you come off by far the worse ashleyhall. I agree with ComradeWho, your 'debating' style comes across mostly as a rant, you're defensive and come across as arrogant I'm afriad. My constructive critisism would be that your online persona is trying to compensate for your real life persona and it's doing a bad job of it, try to read your posts through and consider how you come across.

I personally have experienced many crashes to desktops and server hangs since the latest patch, this has stopped me from being able to play the game as I used to, so I consider it a failure in every way. The only positive thing I can say about EA and Dice is that they both recognised what kind of game would be popular online. Once they figured that out they went ahead and made a cut down version that they have been patching with varying levels of success since (all too often not very successfully).

It is reasonable for people to complain about a game that does not work right, your argument about many different hardware combinations causing problems is a bit off the wall, there is no indication that hardware configs are causing server browser problems, or server hangs. If they are then I have to ask, how is it that so many other games work? Half Life 2: Episode One was released last week, I am playing it now, I gaurantee it will not crash or glitch in an obvious way. I will also gaurantee that Armoured Fury will have problems that need to be patched.

I do not believe we should be grateful for the patching that goes on, patches exist as an easy out for developers to fix problems, it is their responsibility to patch problems with games. If I compare with Half-Life 2, since August 2004 8 patches have been released, 5 bug fixes and 3 optimisation or improvement patches. None directly affected gameplay. This is how patches should be, the only reason major gameplay changes need to be made is because of a lack of testing, this is the reason behind most of the BF2 patch problems.