the shotgun

2005-10-14 00:02:44

#26

Guruz: Sir; +20|7102|government yard in trenchtown.

Sgt.Gh0st wrote:
If you may look on my stats, youll see ive never been Anti Tank or Engerneering. I'd like to start one of those classes when I hit 8000 Global Points and get my next unlock. Does anybody knows wich shotgun is better?
Or should I go for G3?..

I would go for G3 (awesome when firing single rounds or short bursts, as I've picked it up many times), because Engineer doesn't need a unlock IMO because the pump shotties are so good (not the S12K, MEC shotgun)

And you'll learn to use Submachineguns with AT, and anyways, if you play AT, you should be worried about vehicles and stay out of the infantry battles.

2005-10-14 05:58:38

#27

Deedubya: Member; +-2|7066|The Seventh Circle of Hell

I play Engineer a lot, and the shotties are really good guns. I'm starting to use the Jackhammer less though, as the pump-actions are so powerful. I wouldn't say shotties are n00b, as their only good for close-quarters combat. I cringe every time I'm out in the open, because you don't even have a chance if you encounter someone that's more than 10 feet away from you.

Last edited by Deedubya (2005-10-15 06:18:43)

2005-10-14 07:33:23

#28

beeng: Get C4, here!; +66|7050

Deedubya wrote:
I play Engineer a lot, and the shotties are really good guns. I'm starting to us ethe Jackhammer less though, as the pump-actions are so powerful. I wouldn't say shotties are n00b, as their only good for close-quarters combat. I cringe every time I'm out in the open, because you don't even have a chance if you encounter someone that's more than 10 feet away from you.

indeed! the jackhammer sucks compared to the pumps and the MEC auto.
... that and the jackhammer is nowhere NEAR gangsta' enough for me to use. When i be rollin' up on duh' flag in downtown karkand i don't want no chumps in my ride, y know what i be sayin foo?
all my tools be pump and nines, mothafuckas

[if anyone here is not familiar with my ghettospeak heres the translation: pump action is far better in close quarters battle, far better than the jackhammer.. you just need to know how to use it right. .... theres other stuff in there, but if you dont understand it im not willing to translate ]

2005-10-14 07:54:42

#29

atlvolunteer: PKMMMMMMMMMM; +27|7035|Atlanta, GA USA

I have unlocked both shotguns, and I like them both.
The Jackhammer was actually my first unlock, as I like playing engineer, and I always use it when playing engineer. You can really lay into people close quarters, and you can actually treat it as a semi-auto if you just do a few quick clicks (instead of holding down the button). This will conserve ammo a bit, which is very important with this shotty. If you just hold down the fire button, you can go through all 7 shells in about 3 seconds! The real Mk3A1 has a 10 shot magazine; I don't know why they made the in-game version only have 7.
The DAO12 is awesome! I just got it after the patch (3 quick ranks!) and I think it really improves the Anti-Tank kit. I hate the SMGs! They all suck. You're better off using the AT for long range! Like 96D said, reload constantly! One advantage of the DAO12 is that you reload single rounds, so you don't waste ammo by constantly reloading. After every firefight, reload so you have the full 12 rounds.

2005-10-14 08:00:42

#30

ShellShock.PwN: Member; +31|7051|Barrie Ontario

M203 is not Noob.... if you know how to aim it. I can shoot it from like 100 ft away and land it on the guys head. Its only noobish when someone uses from 5 feet away.

2005-10-14 08:35:30

#31

beeng: Get C4, here!; +66|7050

atlvolunteer wrote:
The DAO12 is awesome! I just got it after the patch (3 quick ranks!) and I think it really improves the Anti-Tank kit. I hate the SMGs! They all suck. You're better off using the AT for long range! Like 96D said, reload constantly! One advantage of the DAO12 is that you reload single rounds, so you don't waste ammo by constantly reloading. After every firefight, reload so you have the full 12 rounds.

Yeah, DAO is hilariously good; spray and pray all the way.
Be careful with reloading after -every- kill though, for you may get caught with your hand up the chamber. This has happened to me a few times... killed a guy and started to reload when his teammate pops around the corner and laces me right before I get a chance to switch to my pistol.

2005-10-14 09:53:48

#32

atlvolunteer: PKMMMMMMMMMM; +27|7035|Atlanta, GA USA

Yeah, it's best to wait a second or two to make sure the guy doesn't have a few friends who were late to the party!

2005-10-14 09:55:20

#33

Col-Khadafi: Member; +0|7061|Your Mom's House

You can quickswitch to avoid excess reload times. Just pay attention to the little white bar that shows you exact reload time. Someone pops out mid reload? Switch to pistol then back to DAO and kill them.
I would only use my jackhammer if they made it better (18x8, 9-10 shots per clip)

2005-10-14 11:07:30

#34

Malo: Member; +0|7035

Shotgun is horrible in long range so its not noob -_-.

2005-10-14 11:50:38

#35

beeng: Get C4, here!; +66|7050

Malo wrote:
Shotgun is horrible in long range so its not noob -_-.

yo foo, aint you been listenin; dats what da nine is fo, foo.

2005-10-14 16:28:28

#36

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7039|Noizyland

I'm fairly lucky, I'm not really affected by so called n00bing. New Zealanders and Australians don't really do all the n00b stuff I'm hearing about. NZ and Aus servers are the only servers I can handle.
Shotgun rules, and no-one can call it n00bing, (as such.) I don't really count anything as n00bing. People just find they are better/have more fun with certin things. My mate would be what you would call a n00b-tuber, as he keeps suggesting that their should be a Natural Selection style Grenade Launcher in the game, (I don't know Natural Selection but I think it is something like an eight shot automatic/semi-auto launcher.)
Damn, I'm off topic... Shotgun rules.

One question: Is the Jackhammer an Auto or Pump Action shotgun? It's gonna be one of my next two unlocks when 1.3 starts working for me, (I get two unlocks immediatly.)

[Blinking eyes thing]
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2005-10-14 17:19:55

#37

slidero: points; +31|7040

Anyone with any variant of "sniper" in their name is a pretty big noob IMO.

2005-10-14 17:45:42

#38

beeng: Get C4, here!; +66|7050

slidero wrote:
Anyone with any variant of "sniper" in their name is a pretty big noob IMO.

[cough] less flaming more relevant commentary [cough]

2005-10-14 18:13:56

#39

slidero: points; +31|7040

Well the way I see it the shotguns are very powerful at close range and horrible beyond that. The long reload times are bad too. So shotguns are not overpowered. Since assault is MADE for killing infantry I think the GL is fine as it is. Being able to kill multiple people at one time with the assault rifle/GL combo = assault's purpose.

2005-10-14 18:59:40

#40

DriftX: Member; +0|7051

WTF?! Shotgun is NOT noobish by any means. Even though it can own at close ranges, it still has many faults:

-Horrible at long-range
-Auto shotguns like the MK3 and S12K will run out on you very quickly
-Pump shotguns take a bit of time to re-pump and you will most likely get killed in the process
-Reload time for all the shotguns are long as hell
-The shells spread out, so unless you are 10 feet away from your target, only half of them will hit

2005-10-15 01:29:20

#41

Guruz: Sir; +20|7102|government yard in trenchtown.

slidero wrote:
Well the way I see it the shotguns are very powerful at close range and horrible beyond that. The long reload times are bad too. So shotguns are not overpowered. Since assault is MADE for killing infantry I think the GL is fine as it is. Being able to kill multiple people at one time with the assault rifle/GL combo = assault's purpose.

But Assault's purpose is to ATTACK, too.
Some of the "noob-tubers" just stand in a roof or behind a corner and when someone comes, launch the killin' piece of shit.

If I play Assault, I ALWAYS attack, and use the tube only if I'm alone fighting 9 enemies at the flag I chose to attack.

That's surviving you know.

2005-10-15 06:20:49

#42

atlvolunteer: PKMMMMMMMMMM; +27|7035|Atlanta, GA USA

Tyferra: The Jackhammer is a 7-shot fully automatic shotgun.

2005-10-15 06:23:53

#43

Deedubya: Member; +-2|7066|The Seventh Circle of Hell

An interesting thing happened while I was playing Karkand last night. I was an engineer, near the train flag, you know just down the road from the barricades. Anyway, I was playing on the US side (pump action this go, not Jackhammer), and this guy pops up, like 100 ft away from me, and he just stands there, so I pop a shot off and kill him! So, he was either really low on health, maybe from a sniper shot or something, or I got one hell of a shot off.

2005-10-15 09:19:57

#44

JeSTeR_Player1: Flying Solo; +98|7034|Canada, Ont

Jackhammer Isn't As Good as USMC Shotgun, but You'd wanna use it to Replace the Chinese or MEC Shottys

I Personally Love the JackHammer. Its Automatic so you can hold the Button down but its much more effective if you Click rapidly as you would with Pistol.... Insane

2005-10-15 14:14:46

#45

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7039|Noizyland

I find it a lot easier with the auto/semi auto guns. I do get shot a lot while I'm trying to pump the damn thing, or missing with the first cartridge also sucks.

[Blinking eyes thing]
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2005-10-15 14:28:45

#46

Col-Khadafi: Member; +0|7061|Your Mom's House

JeSTeR_Player1 wrote:
Jackhammer Isn't As Good as USMC Shotgun, but You'd wanna use it to Replace the Chinese or MEC Shottys

I Personally Love the JackHammer. Its Automatic so you can hold the Button down but its much more effective if you Click rapidly as you would with Pistol.... Insane

The USA (Remmy 11-87) and Chinese (NOR982) are the exact same weapon (Ammo capacity, damage, accuracy, reload time).

Last edited by Col-Khadafi (2005-10-15 14:31:41)

2005-10-15 14:52:27

#47

The_Time: Member; +-2|7056|California

What would be really great is if instead of a buckshot type round the shotties fired slugs and as for the jackhammer im noit that happy with it i only ever use it if im mec. it just doesnt measure up to the power and accuracy of the pump shotties.

2005-10-15 17:16:01

#48

T1mbrW0lf: Member; +2|7060|Eastern PA

Shotgun pwns teh Bunny-Hoppers - so they call it a "n00b weapon" . . .

It's also great for putting the smack on Spec-Ops trying to C4 vehicles - the last thing they're expecting is an "up close and personal" introduction to Mr. Jackhammer - so I'm inclined to disagree that shotguns are "only usefull" on the urban maps.

2005-10-15 17:28:40

#49

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|7039|Noizyland

Shotguns are great for disarming vehicles, especially Humvees and the Mec one. By disarming I mean going up close and shooting the guys out of the vehicles. You don't get the satisfying explosion, but you get a free ride.

[Blinking eyes thing]
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2005-10-15 17:43:22

#50

Col-Khadafi: Member; +0|7061|Your Mom's House

Once you get good with the pistols, the Engeneer setup is unstopable. The pumps destroy anything up close, and you can just drop people with 2 headshots from any pistol. If only you could unlock shit like a new pistol or a body armor.

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Sgt.Gh0st wrote:

Deedubya wrote:

atlvolunteer wrote:

Malo wrote:

slidero wrote:

slidero wrote:

JeSTeR_Player1 wrote:

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