BF2S Forums Quit Bashing The Snipers!!!

ppl just bag the shit outa snipers because they cant hack gettin shot by sumone they cant c so they cant get revenge wen they respawn, then while they r lookin for em they get killed agen by the same sniper, and they cant admit the sniper is the better hunter wen he/she clearly gave u an extra eye socket, then u think why did they invent the sniper? duh, to take out nme's from distance without being seen (Sniping Is An Art)

Sniper is a skillful class, but a truly good sniper will only ever need one shot, on moving targets this becomes more difficult but its certainly possibley to do often, as I do.

I think some of the people leaving messages on this forum are either a) bent b) sad sad geeks who have no life lol

I hate showing up late for a post sometimes...

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

.... And on the subject of people shutting up, all kits are uber, and all kits are shit, No kit will make an unskilled player rock, and a skilled player makes all kits rock. ....

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

As I got told that I haven't played the kit enough because I don't join the sniper chorus of 'we are the best' I can only suggest that most of you actually put more than (as an example) 25 hours into your 'second best kit' before saying other people are wrong.

Failing that, you could just accept the recurring statement, all the kits have strong points and weak points, a clueless plank will emphasize the weak, and an experienced/skilled player will emphasize the strong.

There is so much truth here, that it can't be funny in it's seriousness.

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

.... And nobody ever said that snipers "pwn so hard",at least not me.

But being a sniper all the time is kind of annoying when the tankwhores and jetpilots rack up all the kills before you can get them(kinda like in Jarhead,you got them in your scope and then the bombers come in).

People who achieve good stats and round scores with only a bolt-action rifle and a few explosives when everybody else is packing assault rifles and even kill each other for a seat in a chopper or tank eventually become a bit proud of their odd methods.
And of course these people are offended when somebody who hasn't put any comparable effort into effectively using the sniper class just thoughtlessly bashes a kind of warfare he doesn't even closely understand like the practitioners of this technique do.

It's not us (snipers) who say "we pwn so hard",it's you who says that snipers suck and you blatantly try to "prove" this at any cost....

All classes have their advantages and drawbacks in some situations,that's the old "scissors-paper-rock"-idea behind Battlefield,it has been like that since BF1942.
But saying that the sniper class sucks and every other class could perform their (sniper-specific) tasks just because it bothers you that most snipers behave like little primadonnas when it comes to their skills (Nyte anyone?) and maybe even because you got headshot or claymored too often in some rounds is just immature..

Well put as well.  It really is hard to expound upon this statement.

afrocullions wrote:

clays for flag defense is pure faggotry

Killed by a few clays, huh?  Taking them a bit personal don't you think.  Hell, I've run around AT, defended a flag from a capturing enemy sniper, picked up his kit, thrown down clays to defend the flag, then went back to my AT'ing.  They really are good for flag defense, like it or not.

Mekstizzle wrote:

Wow, shows how much you know. Tbh the people that play sniper-only are the people that really are worst at the game in general. Take someone that's half decent with a carbine/assault rifle and give them a sniper rifle and they will do 100x better than if you gave a Sniper a carbine/assault rifle.

I'd have to disagree with you here... to an extent.

If you don't diversify in this game, you really do hurt for it.  However, playing as a sniper for quite sometime, I've learned more than my fair share of tricks or good habits as a result.

Even as any other kit, I'll spot out an enemy, while my fellow "exclusive" assault/AT/support/medic teammates couldn't spot out a single armor that is mowing down a whole squad that is surrounding it (talk about lack of teamplay).  As a result of many run-ins with machine-gun totting enemies, I've learned to transition from an all-but-worthless-gun (out of ammo or bolt-action) to pistol or knife without panicking and making the kill despite being out-gunned.  I'm quite a bit more attuned to discerning where various sounds are coming from (especially enemy sniper fire).  I've learned where a lot of hiding spots for enemies could be, and how to utilize cover and concealment.  My accuracy, even with most machine guns tends to be better than most other "exclusive machine-gunners."  I've also learned how to lead targets at many various ranges, because of sniping.  Heck, I can use the assault class without having to rely upon using the grenade launcher like most assault guys (if I HAD to pick a "noob" weapon...   ).

That all being said, I'm sure other "exclusive kit" players are just as adept about carrying over their preferred kit's habits over when playing sniper.  Does that mean they'll be better than sniper-exclusives?  Not necessarily.  Especially since I've killed many an assault-exclusive guy while playing assault.  Does that mean I'm better than all assault-exclusive players.  HAHAHA!  I can't even say it seriously with a straight face! 

The better player is the one who knows their limitations, and tries to limit them as best as they can.

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

i'll "bash snipers" all i want, they ruin every fucking city map on reg bf2 and special forces with there gaymores and there guns that take you down to such low health that if you jump over a wall you die, and nothing is more satisfying than shockpaddleing one of those bitches.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or genuine hate.  However, if that's what the snipers are doing...  ALL THE BETTER FOR THEM!!!  HAPPY PADDLING!

xaven wrote:

no offense, its ok to have snipers in team, but 15 of 64 is defenitely too much. and that often happens.

Yes, it does sound a bit excessive, but when that happens, it's really no different than having 10 people waiting for a single-seat jet or a dual-seat chopper (or even armor).  Hell, even having 20 medics on a team can get annoying, because I've seen many medics spend more time reviving than killing or capturing flags.

In the end, it's not a "sniper" issue more than a "player" issue.

Chillin&killin wrote:

basiclally every kit on the game his strentghs and weaknesses right? given a certain situation and a certain player a sniper can pick of entire squads. my stats prove this on karkand my favourite map by a long way but is the map where people say the sniper rifle is useless but my k/d with a sniper rifle is higher than most peoples overall k/d ratio proving that a sniper can i repeat can own a server. but if your mec and down to the last flag and the usmc have captured the factory(so have 2 tanks and 4 apc's) you obviously dont be a sniper. its the people that persist on being sniper during these times that give good snipers like me and ss and tahdar and evilmonkey a bad name

Doh!  Exactly what I was trying to say above.  Well, I'm not erasing it!  You can't make me!

JaMDuDe wrote:

Sniping is for noobs. If you need to stay 200m away and be hiding to get kills your not good. The best thing snipers do is get knifed while they are lookin down the scope.

This from someone who spends most of their time hiding in the seat of a vehicle.  Get down and play with the ground-pounders instead of sitting in the tank/plane/chopper.  Best thing for this type of person is a C4 sandwich or M95 shot through the glass while you're taxiing down the runway.

afrocullions wrote:

youre shit dude honestly ..im convinced you dont believe anything you say anymore but just are looking for attention

JaMDuDe wrote:

Yeah im still wondering why people think hes good. Looks like a noob who wants to be good.

I think is a decent player, but he's still a windbag.  If he didn't flaunt his scores about, I think he'd get a bit more respect for them.  Sadly enough, only the loudest ones are the one's that get noticed.  Honestly, I think quite a bit more highly about don't_be_ss, tahadar, EvilMonkeySlayer, Books, and SinnFein.  At least they're not out there with exclamations of mightiness.

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

I expect my ranking for the sniper kit (386th) will take a bit of a hit come 1st June starting around 6pm. (you get three guesses why)

come to think about it, my ranking will really really drop from the 26 of june, since I'll be goin for summer school..

I didn't know snipers got bashed. Can't see why they would, either.

People don't like getting 1 hit killed, but they're far more likely to get that from a plane/chopper/tank/apc than from a sniper rifle, and it's a damn sight harder to fight back against the vehicles than the little sniper who is screwed if you get in close. Good snipers are always useful to have on your team, they keep an eye on your flags, and provide support on flags you're trying to capture. As for bad snipers... they're no different to bad players in any other kit.

All the kits serve a valuable purpose, it's just not all players know what that is. That's my theory anyway.

Cheers.

ssonrats wrote:

tahadar wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

I expect my ranking for the sniper kit (386th) will take a bit of a hit come 1st June starting around 6pm. (you get three guesses why)

come to think about it, my ranking will really really drop from the 26 of june, since I'll be goin for summer school..

You spend more time on here that on bf2 that's why your ranking is going down, rofl.

Affirmaroger.

ssonrats wrote:

tahadar wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

I expect my ranking for the sniper kit (386th) will take a bit of a hit come 1st June starting around 6pm. (you get three guesses why)

come to think about it, my ranking will really really drop from the 26 of june, since I'll be goin for summer school..

You spend more time on here that on bf2 that's why your ranking is going down, rofl.

lol yeah thats true. i come here when im kinda studying, but i end up learning nothing cos im busy reading and replying on bf2s lol

I suck at sniping, but love it all the same.  And there's no way I'd bitch about getting sniped......it's part of the game......isn't it???  I look at it this way, for myself anyway, I suck at pretty much all kits, just have more fun with sucking at sniping.

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

Aww man, a long post.. can't you just summarise it for us with short attention sp.. hey look! A bird!

Yeah... I know... Especially after I saw it in actual form when it was submitted... ugh...

I just had to reply to quite a few posts!  At least someone can't say that I hadn't read the first 5 pages before posting, though!

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

A lot of us snipers do sort of flaunt our scores a bit, only in a different manner. For example, i've mentioned my constant goal to get above dont_be_ss in the sniper kit rankings. I'll mention at every opportunity my current sniper kit ranking in the world (386th).

Some people do videos, which could be a form of declaring their mightiness, just like my mentions of my current ranking (386th you know). I've personally yet to do a video, something I should do at some point. ....

Hehehe, I don't think that flaunting your scores, on occasion, is a bad thing.  I just think that when every other post is a flaunt of almightiness is when people start to lose the possible insightful meanings behind your posts.

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

Now, if you'll excuse me I feel like a giddy schoolgirl for being mentioned as being a highly regarded sniper. I need to go giggle for a few hours.

BTW. You forgot chillin.

Hey go ahead!  Hell, if it weren't for the fact that most, if not all of you were in the U.K., I'd like to see you all in action (and possible get a few headshots in myself    ).

However, you are correct about Chillin.  Also, there is Mj.Blindfisch as well.  I hadn't seen their scores yet, and I must say that they're definitely up there in the great sniper category.

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

I expect my ranking for the sniper kit (386th) will take a bit of a hit come 1st June starting around 6pm. (you get three guesses why)

Guesses?  Got me?  AF, perhaps?  BTW, your 386th is for the sniper rifle, not the sniper kit.  However, given the vehicle whoring out there, ranking with the sniper rifle is the better route in determining true sniper standing anyways!

As to a bit of flaunting myself:  Sniper Rifle ranked 1276th.  Hey, that's the better than the top 1%!  I just need to get my KDR up from my bf2 beginner days!  Very hard to do I must say!  I just gotta stop playing on servers that like to play Karkand every other map (where I try to take flags, then get arty'd... ARGH!).

TrueArchon wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

I expect my ranking for the sniper kit (386th) will take a bit of a hit come 1st June starting around 6pm. (you get three guesses why)

Guesses?  Got me?  AF, perhaps?  BTW, your 386th is for the sniper rifle, not the sniper kit.  However, given the vehicle whoring out there, ranking with the sniper rifle is the better route in determining true sniper standing anyways!

As to a bit of flaunting myself:  Sniper Rifle ranked 1276th.  Hey, that's the better than the top 1%!  I just need to get my KDR up from my bf2 beginner days!  Very hard to do I must say!  I just gotta stop playing on servers that like to play Karkand every other map (where I try to take flags, then get arty'd... ARGH!).

Yep, sorry sniper rifle.

That's guess one, want me to just tell you?

Practice makes perfect, 1276th ain't that bad.. everybody starts somewhere. You have a respectable ratio and accuracy, do you tend to be more of a close range sniper?

I tend to mix between sniper tactics nowadays, often i'll vary my tactics in a round especially if going up against some of the more better snipers like dont_be_ss.

For example, you can typically get away with shooting down a blackhawk in a vodnik from wake. With lesser snipers they'll miss and you'll hear the familiar sound of the bullet hitting the vodnik which gives you ample warning to get out and kill them.
However with someone like ss you need to typically avoid the obvious routes, stay behind cover and stalk them making the kill when the odds are in your favour and not theirs.

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

I tend to mix between sniper tactics nowadays, often i'll vary my tactics in a round especially if going up against some of the more better snipers like dont_be_ss.

For example, you can typically get away with shooting down a blackhawk in a vodnik from wake. With lesser snipers they'll miss and you'll hear the familiar sound of the bullet hitting the vodnik which gives you ample warning to get out and kill them.
However with someone like ss you need to typically avoid the obvious routes, stay behind cover and stalk them making the kill when the odds are in your favour and not theirs.

If you play "catch the bullet" with any of the top snipers it's mostly luck.
If both snipers have about the same reaction,speed,accuracy + the tech stuff(view range,shadows off,etc.) is equal and both know where the other one is it's like tossing a coin,you hit or get hit.
That's why I don't like this duel-attitude,there's more to being a sniper than firing range excellency.

I think that when you are up against an expert sniper you have to approach him from where he doesn't expect you and if you are really successful he won't see you until you hit him.
I had a nice round in the traincar near the train accident flag on Karkand yesterday which confirms this idea,I got a lot of kills from snipers which I caught from the side and I shot them the moment they went prone,so they had no opportunity to spot me,they probably thought I was somewhere right in front of them,where usually the snipers hang out.

Try to do unexpected (not stupid!) stuff,take alternate routes,when you are up against a good sniper the setup for the kill is the important part,taking the shot afterwards should be routine by now.

snipers dont have to be long range the SVD and Type 88 are meant for medium range M24 and L96A1 and M95 are more lond range but ive hit a stand target at 509m with M24 and killed him and clays arent for fags they add a whole new thing to how you attack flags your just the noob that lands on them cause your not smart and run every corner also snipers can be a good spawn point if you team has just lost a flag even tho i have 100+hours as sniper its a good class and not noobish clays have 700 steel balls and 1/2 a pound of c4 the only ppl that complain about clays are the people that constantly get owned cause they dont take the time to check the flag or area now granted i know clay whoring on karkand is retarded

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

*snip*

If you play "catch the bullet" with any of the top snipers it's mostly luck.
If both snipers have about the same reaction,speed,accuracy + the tech stuff(view range,shadows off,etc.) is equal and both know where the other one is it's like tossing a coin,you hit or get hit.
That's why I don't like this duel-attitude,there's more to being a sniper than firing range excellency.

I think that when you are up against an expert sniper you have to approach him from where he doesn't expect you and if you are really successful he won't see you until you hit him.
I had a nice round in the traincar near the train accident flag on Karkand yesterday which confirms this idea,I got a lot of kills from snipers which I caught from the side and I shot them the moment they went prone,so they had no opportunity to spot me,they probably thought I was somewhere right in front of them,where usually the snipers hang out.

Try to do unexpected (not stupid!) stuff,take alternate routes,when you are up against a good sniper the setup for the kill is the important part,taking the shot afterwards should be routine by now.

I couldn't agree more, two snipers of roughly equal skill going up against each other at long range is pretty much a toss of a coin. I'll quickly adapt my tactics if I feel i'm on the same level or losing in the duel.

You definitely need to have sneaking skills though.

And dont_be_ss, I promise not to post this picture....  (much)   



Sorry, couldn't resist it ss.