BF2S Forums European Society is superior to US society.

mikkel wrote:

And if it wasn't for Europe, you would all be speaking Japanese and German.

No, if it wasn't America and programs like the AVG and Lend-Lease, Europe (which was basically Britiain) would have fallen to the Nazis.

Random-Hero58 wrote:

As someone who has lived in both the US and in Europe, I much perfer the US.

Same.

Last edited by JimKong (2006-05-26 18:55:40)

Erkut.hv wrote:

I would justify this with an answer, but it is 10000% biased from the get go.

omg i never ...i think you may have something there, but aren't they superior? I mean look, France just tried to pass a law making it easier to fire lazy slackasses and they rioted. Hell every time they have a strike they try to burn their cuntry down.

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-05-27 00:44:23)

Damn... this thread is so fucked its not even funny. Its like an international flame fest. The thread options don't help - 'Yes' and 'No' will do just fine, thanks.

Unfourtunately, very few people here know a decent amount about world affairs OR world history OR the country their flaming.

Therefore, I will not partake in this discussion.

gimme a amen

kr@cker wrote:

Your GNP is so high cuz you spend all your time making liquor, the universal resource, maybe if you'd have sobered up you would have remembered to feed your potatoes. All those poor starving potatoes dying in that famine, really, what got into you.

Actually our GNP is so high because we have one of the most highly educated work forces in the world. Our primary source of income is in IT. Companies like Intel and Google have based their international headquarters here in Dublin. We don't need potatoes anymore - we can import truffles and caviar now. Yum.

CameronPoe wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

Your GNP is so high cuz you spend all your time making liquor, the universal resource, maybe if you'd have sobered up you would have remembered to feed your potatoes. All those poor starving potatoes dying in that famine, really, what got into you.

Actually our GNP is so high because we have one of the most highly educated work forces in the world. Our primary source of income is in IT. Companies like Intel and Google have based their international headquarters here in Dublin. We don't need potatoes anymore - we can import truffles and caviar now. Yum.

Economists remind us, however, that much industry in the country is foreign owned. So to judge by living standards, income earned by foreign assets should be added to GDP, and income paid to foreign creditors deducted in order to arrive at gross national product (GNP). By this standard, Ireland's GNP is about 12 percent lower than its GDP.

Foreign investment and ownership are the keys to Ireland's success, observers say. The country really has two economies. Ireland's own economic policies are still backward, unproductive and labor-intensive. Foreigners, however, have introduced a modern, exceptionally productive and capital intensive economy.

In two policy areas has Ireland come to its own rescue: attracting foreign investment and fiscal reform.

Government borrowing was so badly out of control in the 10 years leading to 1987 that public debt soared from 65 percent of national income to nearly 120 percent.

Today, public debt is less than 80 percent of GDP and dropping fast -- while new borrowing has fallen to almost nothing.

The stock of direct investment in Ireland from America alone stood at $10 billion in 1994 -- equal to $3,000 per capita.

Foreign-owned firms are now said to account for 30 percent of the economy and 40 percent of exports.
Here is a statistic that dramatically demonstrates the two economies of Ireland: Output by worker in foreign manufacturing firms is estimated to be nearly three time higher than in their domestically owned counterparts.

Source: "Europe's Tiger Economy,"Economist, May 17, 1997.

In summation, this article is stating that many foreign investors saw a cheap labor force and an undeveloped industrial potential and sent some capital to Ireland. You're economy has been "colonized" by foreigners.

Really I have nothing against Ireland, it's just the way you keep presenting your arguments. I believe that the fact that any society believes that it is "the best" is the single best reason why it isn't. Yes, I have posted many pro-american tags but these have generally been defenses against myopic anti-american rhetoric advanced by the likes of, say, Michael Moore. 

And after some thought Ronny and horseman, perhaps considering the vast variations in the American demographic perhaps comparing the US to the EU as a whole is the only fair way to do it.

Caviar sucks

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-05-27 07:40:52)

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Most countries in Europe have a good public healthcare system, a good aged benefits system, and good public education.

Europe 3
America 0

You know which way my vote is going

wow, look at all the numbers and stats you provided.


America is the largest consumer of Trojan Magnums,

America 9 (you know what I mean)
Europe 3

See I can blurt out random statements as fact, too

sheggalism wrote:

i was wandering around the net and found that picture :

http://www.economysizegeek.com/wp-photos/461.jpg The main difference between Europe and US

Is European Society superior to US society ? that's a dumb question, how could say that a society is "superior" to another one ? they all have drawbacks and advantages, mix them up and create the perfect utopia...

as for "riots" in France, it's nothing, let alone comparable to 1992 Los Angeles or 60's Detroit ones....just overmediatised events...

No what made the French riots newsworthy was the fact that they had the balls to fight at all!!  even if it was just amoungst themselves. lol

PBAsydney wrote:

Isn't it funny though? Apart from their private war with Japan, they didn't enter the war in Europe until 1944 to take the glory, and they certainly are taking the glory big time. (Not saying they should have invaded...)

LOL, yup and we did in just over a year something that the whole continent couldn't do in 5..Amazing aren't we??

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Most countries in Europe have a good public healthcare system, a good aged benefits system, and good public education.

Europe 3
America 0

You know which way my vote is going

All people might have access to healthcare, but that doesn't mean the quality of healthcare is any better. IMO, it's worse. Look at ot from a doctor's perspective: if he practices in a capitalist country like the United States, he can charge whatever he wants. There are restrictions/high taxes in socialist countries, so he won't make as much money there. Then the question becomes, "Why would anyone stay there if they can make more money elsewhere?"

herrr_smity wrote:

I'm not even going to mention how the sovietunion won the war and NOT the Americans.

Yeah, not mentioning would be a good idea.  Turns out the US is both a country *and* a cult.  He's a cultist.

herrr_smity wrote:

lowing wrote:

PBAsydney wrote:

Isn't it funny though? Apart from their private war with Japan, they didn't enter the war in Europe until 1944 to take the glory, and they certainly are taking the glory big time. (Not saying they should have invaded...)

LOL, yup and we did in just over a year something that the whole continent couldn't do in 5..Amazing aren't we??

I'm not even going to mention how the sovietunion won the war and NOT the Americans.

While you are NOT mentioning that, please don't forget to NOT mention, that the world was at war with Japan as well.

lowing wrote:

While you are NOT mentioning that, please don't forget to NOT mention, that the world was at war with Japan as well.

Actually, really only Australia and America were.  Japan attempted to get on the USSR's good side towards the end by pointing out that they remained nuetral, the French didn't fight them, nor did Africa and the Middle East.  Britain fought them by proxy, but really didn't care too much.  So unless you define world as "North America and Asia", they weren't fighting Japan.