LSD_Wash
Member
+64|6805
I have defended EA / Dice beyond what is called for.  I am a software developer with over 12 years experience and I was impressed as hell with BF2 when it came out.  I've heard basher after basher complaining about BF2 and what "POS" it was and how EA / Dice sucks and I've been at their defense in almost every case.  But I just got done with a couple hours of trying to run 1.3 and I'm just disgusted!  First time around I joined a server, waited forever to get the 'shaders' compiled and when I clicked 'join' I was dumped to desktop.  A little annoyed but willing to give them another shot.  I restarted and tried again, got in and started searching for another server... .WTF???????  I refresh, then sort by ping (isn't that the obvious thing to do?) and then click on a server... I click and the name changes and the entire list resorts... patiently, I click another server... THAT server changes names and the whole list resorts.  Okay, I accept it, they completely screwed the server list... I'll just pick a server and join it and ignore the server list... double-click, join... back to desktop... I am DONE!!!!!   Screw this game until they get it right.

I was impressed as hell with the graphics engine, the multi player code, the physics, etc.  I know what it takes to write great software and I was amazed with what they accomplished with 1.0.... but they have turned over the patch production to their 'bench warmer' programmers and let their 'Starting Lineup' developers work on Madden or BF2142 or whatever... but they have so completely dropped the ball on this one, I can't forgive them.  How hard is it to write a list control (the server browser) that doesn't re-sort with every click?  Who tests this crap?  My god!?!?!  I absolutely love this game, and I'm an the furthest thing from a 'basher' but I can't even express how utterly disappointed I am with this amateur crap they have just released to us, their loyal patrons.  I don't' know what else to say, as a veteran software developer, I'm disgusted and embarrassed.

Last edited by LSD_Wash (2006-05-24 22:57:06)

TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6664|Colorado
I hear ya , they patch it & everytime people across the board seem to have major hardware/software issues.
Jestar
Shifty's Home Number: 02 9662 8432
+373|6732

True. They Need to think About their Games More. I Mean, what were they thinking!!!

Guy A: "Hey, Ive got An Idea, lets Have a Vehicle Drop for the Commander"
Guy B: " Good Idea. Everyone Loves Modifications to a Game over a Year Old!"
CEO of BF2: "Then it's Settled, lets Bring out another Patch, and Lets fix our Mistakes of last Time. This Time We'll make More Mistakes and Bugs Than EVER!!!!"
oberst_enzian
Member
+234|6734|melb.au
you forgot to add muhahahahAHAHAHAHA!! to the end jestar
mikeshw
Radioactive Glo
+130|6829|A Small Isle in the Tropics

Jestar12345 wrote:

True. They Need to think About their Games More. I Mean, what were they thinking!!!

Guy A: "Hey, Ive got An Idea, lets Have a Vehicle Drop for the Commander"
Guy B: " Good Idea. Everyone Loves Modifications to a Game over a Year Old!"
CEO of BF2: "Then it's Settled, lets Bring out another Patch, and Lets fix our Mistakes of last Time. This Time We'll make More Mistakes and Bugs Than EVER!!!!"
I believe the term to describe that is SNAFU
LSD_Wash
Member
+64|6805

Jestar12345 wrote:

True. They Need to think About their Games More. I Mean, what were they thinking!!!

Guy A: "Hey, Ive got An Idea, lets Have a Vehicle Drop for the Commander"
Guy B: " Good Idea. Everyone Loves Modifications to a Game over a Year Old!"
CEO of BF2: "Then it's Settled, lets Bring out another Patch, and Lets fix our Mistakes of last Time. This Time We'll make More Mistakes and Bugs Than EVER!!!!"
That could be the case, but I don't even know that they HAVE a VP of BF2 (ceo wouldn't be the correct term) or whatever.  As I said, I've been writing software for 12+ years and what happens is the 'best and brightest' work on the new stuff, and then you hire fresh college graduates or some other group of flunkies to fix bugs.  Then you send your "A Team" off to write the next killer 3D engine or whatever and the flunkies get left with the task of fixing bugs.  Think about it, John Carmack probably wasn't the one fixing bugs in Quake 3 Arena a year later.  He turned it over to others and started on Doom 3.

Unfortunately, EA or Dice or whomever, hasn't hire competent people to take over the bug-fixing-and-enhancing part of BF2.  They sent their super stars over to the BF2142 team or wherever, and left a group of flunkies in charge of BF2.

I understand not putting your top talent on a year-old game, I run a software shop myself and do the same thing, but for heaven's sake put someone at least marginally competent on the management so that you aren't releasing CRAP like 1.3 to your customers!  Ugg... I'm preaching to the choir over here... EA isn't listening... I've been an EA defender for a long time, but I might just have to turn in my badge after this release.

Last edited by LSD_Wash (2006-05-24 23:13:08)

Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|6674|Canada
Where do you work?  What software do you develop?
what engine are you currently using, and do you render with d3d?
I'm looking into the unreal 3 engine which was used for Oblivion. 
Are you a programmer? 
The new games will use POM for texture rendering (parallax occlusion mapping) which creates the illusion of depth on a flat surface, per pixel, to the viewpoint.  This requires a raycast and sample at every pixel being looked at, and the intervals to be smoothened.

(the difference between POM and 'bump' mapping)
POM is a 2 layer volumetric texture
bump mapping is 1 layer, and does not allow depth perception at grazing angles

  It looks great, but it's just harder for a consumer's video card.  It's not getting any better, and as we all know these game developers are set to tight budgets from the publisher, and if milestones are missed, they lose money.  MOST products available are hackjobs, that will be 'fixed' with reiterative patches, often causing stupid compatibility errors in computers that were dissimilar to begin with.  The future of gaming, and eventually businesses is consoles.

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-05-24 23:25:11)

Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6766|Noizyland

Fair enough Acid, fair enough.
Havn't played the new patch yet, but I'm far from looking forward to it. When capping a point I need to be on the lookout for planes, choppers, tanks, jeeps, enemy foot soldiers and now veichles being dropped on my head...
Still, those bugs you're talking about Acid... man... they really dropped the ball on this one. I find myself saying that more and more on EA and DICE's account.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
JahManRed
wank
+646|6619|IRELAND

yup that server list jumping shit is happening with me now too after I installed incr patch and then the game wouldnt start up and then had to do a full reinstall, which is a pain in the arse....................
Knight`UK
Lollerstorycarpark
+371|6572|England
game a year old ?? :S you buy it before it came out ??
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6780|Singapore

mikeshw wrote:

I believe the term to describe that is SNAFU
Wrong. SNAFU stands for: Situation Normal: All Fucked Up.

The correct term to be used here is FUBARed. Fucked Up Beyond All Repair/Recognition. Or TARFU: Things Are Really Fucked Up
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6780|Singapore

[netsas]knight wrote:

game a year old ?? :S you buy it before it came out ??
If you want to fucking nitpick you're doing a very bad job at it. And being an asshole while someone is ACTUALLY trying to conduct a sensible discussion/.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6738|The United Center

polarbearz wrote:

mikeshw wrote:

I believe the term to describe that is SNAFU
Wrong. SNAFU stands for: Situation Normal: All Fucked Up.

The correct term to be used here is FUBARed. Fucked Up Beyond All Repair/Recognition. Or TARFU: Things Are Really Fucked Up
or prntstfu.

polarbearz really needs to shut the fuck up.

maybe psrsscsm.

polarbearz should really stop sucking cock so much.

...wow, i could keep going with these...
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6780|Singapore

wtf

(what the fuck)



go away EMo. Go play with yourself or something k?
rootbeer73
Member
+24|6576|in a small dark place
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No Porn, No Beer, No wonder the jihadis are so irritable.
20 years of sand in my asscrack, and I'd probably want to blow myself up too.


buhahahaha funny stuff
shadow18alpha
I attend BF2 Anonymous Meetings
+129|6666|Warlord/Bellevue,WA
Vavle and Ubisoft > EA
[CANADA]_Zenmaster
Pope Picard II
+473|6737

Some points:

- Incremental doesn't work for 90% of the people. I mean it never really worked before (you'd get a huge FPS drop etc.), but now it won't even run if you use the incremental.
- Installing the full version, a pain but ok. Yet once you get in, CTD on join game.
- Controls.con was deleted on install of full patch and my mouse nor keyboard did not work.
- After patch, all graphics settings were changed to default values.

Ok so let's say your someone who got it working finally.
- You had a refresh button? Mine is gone.
- Server browser does not work.
- Erradic pings.
- Resorting everytime you click something.
- More then one filter = no results.
- Single filters often requiring updating the whole list (because Refresh is gone) several times just to get them to work.
- Servers no longer show IPs or game variables while joining, or while in game.
- Server browser doesn't show players in the server 90% of the time.
- CTD on join game until you figured out to redo your shaders for a second or third time. Took me three. (Delete original shaders).
- New improvement vehicle drops? Improvement? Let's see:
- Voice over is low quality garbage. It is like they got someone in the office to do it in five minutes and recorded it at a horrible quality totally out of sync with the rest of the game.
- Vehicle drop icon poor quality.
- Vehicle drops on upright arty = kill enemy arty.
- Vehicle drops on enemy vehicle spawns = delay chopper spawning etc.
- Vehicle drops on choppers taking off, or choppers hovering = chopper deaths.
- Vehicle drops to kill snipers now? Funny, but let's see how we justify nerfing SL while allowing commanders to blow up enemy arty and snipers and anything motionless with vehicle drops. Uh huh...
- Teams without uncaps have extreme difficulty getting a SL out alive to take a new flag. A single person capping an outside flag = death even in 1.2. You really need a squad to get out alive, and now that is incredibly difficult. I haven't lost on an uncap base team yet, and yes I played more then just Sharqi the day the patch came out.
- Finally the most unforgiveable, after heavy handedly putting in the SL nerf, they leave claymores the way they are. You tell me which would be a welcome change by the community, and make sense with balance. Remove the claymore invunerability locking up every CQC map, or nerf SL making it even more fun to get GAYMORED IN THE FUCKING FACE WITH A CLAYMORE AS SL ONLY TO HAVE NOBODY REVIVE YOU AND HAVE TO WALK HALFWAY ACROSS THE FUCKING MAP TO TV STATION ALL OVER AGAIN.!!!!! RAGE

All found in my day of beta testing. I have to completely agree with the OP, what kind of amateur crap is this, especially considering it took so long. Its obvious no thought at all went into this release, nor into Beta testing this product at all. Given the history of each patch; honestly, you have to give some thought to where this game is headed, and thats not even a joke like people were saying after 1.1x so long ago. Personally, I think I will be going back to FFXI.
Husker~ifh~
Beer Consumption Expert
+25|6722|Beerville, USA

LSD_Wash wrote:

I have defended EA / Dice beyond what is called for.  I am a software developer with over 12 years experience and I was impressed as hell with BF2 when it came out.  I've heard basher after basher complaining about BF2 and what "POS" it was and how EA / Dice sucks and I've been at their defense in almost every case.  But I just got done with a couple hours of trying to run 1.3 and I'm just disgusted!  First time around I joined a server, waited forever to get the 'shaders' compiled and when I clicked 'join' I was dumped to desktop.  A little annoyed but willing to give them another shot.  I restarted and tried again, got in and started searching for another server... .WTF???????  I refresh, then sort by ping (isn't that the obvious thing to do?) and then click on a server... I click and the name changes and the entire list resorts... patiently, I click another server... THAT server changes names and the whole list resorts.  Okay, I accept it, they completely screwed the server list... I'll just pick a server and join it and ignore the server list... double-click, join... back to desktop... I am DONE!!!!!   Screw this game until they get it right.

I was impressed as hell with the graphics engine, the multi player code, the physics, etc.  I know what it takes to write great software and I was amazed with what they accomplished with 1.0.... but they have turned over the patch production to their 'bench warmer' programmers and let their 'Starting Lineup' developers work on Madden or BF2142 or whatever... but they have so completely dropped the ball on this one, I can't forgive them.  How hard is it to write a list control (the server browser) that doesn't re-sort with every click?  Who tests this crap?  My god!?!?!  I absolutely love this game, and I'm an the furthest thing from a 'basher' but I can't even express how utterly disappointed I am with this amateur crap they have just released to us, their loyal patrons.  I don't' know what else to say, as a veteran software developer, I'm disgusted and embarrassed.
I feel your pain guy, I spent the majority of the afternoon fixing mine after it was doing the exact same thing.   Here's what I had to do to fix it and have had no problems since.

1. Completely unistall BF2 and BF2:SF

2. Run a registry cleaner to clear out all the left behind files/folder/etc.

3. Reinstall the game(s)

4. Download Patch v1.3 Full (NOT INCREMENTAL)

5. Install full patch

and walla, I've played all night and no problems what so ever, seems to be working just fine now.

As far as trying to reinstall patches and this and that, none of it worked.  Hell it jacked up my game so bad I couldn't even uninstall it without getting error messages and ended up running my reg cleaner about 20 times.   EA deffinately showed thier true colors with this one, took them 3 months to screw the patch up this bad, lol..

So give it a try and I bet you'll be playing soon!
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6780|Singapore

Who the fuck wanted the refresh button to be gone anyway?
[CANADA]_Zenmaster
Pope Picard II
+473|6737

polarbearz wrote:

Who the fuck wanted the refresh button to be gone anyway?
When DICE couldn't make it work like the rest of the browser, the best option was to delete it.

They'd have a hard time justfying deleting the whole server browser, so they just left it a gimped mess.
[J5]Dirrty.Magic
Member
+35|6674
EA/Dice has done a great job making Valve look better to me. I'm slowly starting to buy Steam games again, and enjoy them (because they usually work well).

After they cheapened my hard work for badges, I'm not buying anymore crap from them. No 2142, no Armoured Fury.
Darky
Hi..
+71|6553|Here.
Lol, in their latest patch for CS:S they gave everyone superhuman speed.

After 15 minutes of putting up with that, I went back to BF2 lol.
beerface702
Member
+65|6684|las vegas
i do a WIPE of bf2 last night, regiestry.. the works


it takes 2 minutes to login to account, i notice these browser bugs even with a FULL patch install, doesnt matter.


and yeah its laggy...and all above


i dont know what marketing head is behind this game to the public. but if their idea is if we can screw up/ nerf bf2 as much as possible. they will buy 2142. they are sorely wrong and fools


Quake wars for the win

ID and team have some of the best, most stable and robust playable games ever.

and valve of course in the fps genre
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6780|Singapore

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Who the fuck wanted the refresh button to be gone anyway?
When DICE couldn't make it work like the rest of the browser, the best option was to delete it.

They'd have a hard time justfying deleting the whole server browser, so they just left it a gimped mess.
Sounds like EA/Dice to you alright.
*ToRRo*cT|
Spanish Sniper-Wh0re
+199|6735|Malaga, EspaƱa
1.3 It seems to be an Nightmare for us.

I must admit that if EA thinks that Lowering the Requirements and Fucking up the whole coding of the game , that they are able to push us over the edge to buy BF2142? I say EA GO FUCK YOURSELF!

If this is the way to threat ur customers by releasing out Patches that seem the fuck up that last pieces of the game's dignity , then I hope EA is not that stupid that when we think this Product (BF2) is an Waste of money. Because they think its smart to piss us off with the last patch, so we will buy BF2141? Sorry, but I,m NOT going to buy that Game Reason: I,m afraid after +- 8 months after the game is released you already Patched the shit out of the new game(AGAIN!!!!!!) and when there is a new BF game you bring out you just take another SHIT on us and fuck it all up.

The best way is that you for god sake Fixed the crappy coding of yours that causes all the Bugs and shit. and leave the game as it was in 1.21!

So you got skills to create an nice looking game, but you cant create a Fucking server browser that works decently? Really WTF! Xfire = Better , ASE = Better. and it never failed me!

the Vehicule drop is one of the dumbest ideas I ever seen. ITS AN SUPPORTIVE Function I FUCKING KNOW THAT...but People are going to use it as an Freaking weapon to get rid of Taking off planes and chopper or Lone Wolf sniper somewhere on the roof...EA if you make an Vehicle drop function make it real. and create an Carrier plane that will fly over SO WE WILL NOTICE something is going to be dropped so we at least have the chance to get the fuck outta there!

the Co-op mode, I suspect this is the feature that took so long for Patch 1.3 to come out...its a waste of Time !!!! How much time did u guys spend on fixing bugs and the coding? 5 seconds ? I'll bet one of your new Coders just slammed his HEAD on the Keyboard and said ''Problem Solved sir''

Final Word: EA you're way of handling around with customers makes me Sick, if you think you can promote BF2141 by pissing us off you're all Wrong

Angry Customers = Less chance they are going to buy another product of your company
Happy Customers = He will deffintly move on so he can have even more pleasure with your products.

I'm still on 1.21 coz I took a few days break from BF2 because at night I didnt feel like playing the game. but what I red here on this Forum just showed me enough reasons that I will take a darn long time before I'll ever play BF2 again.

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