BF2S Forums Gang bangers using military for training

This gives me great motivation to write to the US/UN/OPEC/ASEAN/Whatever asking to make a global law that you can be criminally charged for being a complete and utter jerk/dickhead/retard/dipshit.

The USA (the bloods) are out to get the Iraqi's (East Side Boys) over a turf (oil) war.

Spark wrote:

This gives me great motivation to write to the US/UN/OPEC/ASEAN/Whatever asking to make a global law that you can be criminally charged for being a complete and utter jerk/dickhead/retard/dipshit.

Logic says your refering to the gangbangers, however, experience with some of the posters on this forum says your more likely refering to me...
whatever

Gunslinger, where are you to chime in on this?

That's a blanket statement. Yeah, some people use their training for not so noble purposes.

But... if gangbangers learned how to shoot properly, how many kids would saved in drive-by shootings? Imagine some piece of shit lowlife actually hitting his target... instead of a 4 year old girl on her way home from school.

Then there is also the path to bettering oneself through service to your country.

---Throwing up a  peace sign sideways is not a gang sign, you ingorant fear filled white country club attending golf playing yuppie sons of bitches---

I remember in phoenix I was called a "gang-member" by an old white guy because I gave the "black mans handshake" to a friend of mine (who was samoan).

I am lily white, and this is all white fear at it's best. I hate crackers...

Erkut.hv wrote:

I hate crackers...

Nice. Glad someone could turn this into a racist thing. </sarcasm>

MaddOps wrote:

OK, now for a real comment. 

Chalk one up for gained intelligence.  It took them how many years to figure out they could go into the military to get training?

Actually if the Army wanted to they could call it treason.  They're training to protect and defend the constitution against all enemys foreign AND domestic.  Ok, bit of a stretch. 

They could prosecute these criminals under terrorist statutes.  They are military trained individuals engaging in crimes against the people of the United States.  Ship em all out to Gitmo.

No matter their war record or military performance, if they commit a crime with their training they're going to face harsher punishments than just some kid off the street.

See
Some pearls of wisdom can be harvested from even a silly thread like this one

Horseman 77 wrote:

This seems kinda silly.

You don't need to go through all the Training and discipline to learn how to do a drive by or shoot someone in the back.

No, but you do need it to shoot your weapon accurately in any scenario. Are you saying someone with military training in assault rifles is not going to use them better than the average gang banger?

Horseman 77 wrote:

Like this whole " Our Boarders are not secure " Thing.

Like they ever were before?  Suddenly its all G.W. Bush's fault.

The media will hound him on this too more than likely.

Yes, our borders are not secure, and have never been. However, it has been on "Bush's Watch" that the issue has become out of control. Record numbers of illegal immigrants are coming in, and record impacts on the economy and job availability for legal americans. Something didn't necessary NEED to be done about it 10 years ago, but today, it is a very big issue, and this is Bush's Watch, hence why it's Bush's fault.

It's not his fault that the issue started, it's his fault that nothing has been done to stop it since he has been in office.

Torin wrote:

It's not his fault that the issue started, it's his fault that nothing has been done to stop it since he has been in office.

So he inherited a problem, and it's his fault? How about his predecessor who did nothing to prevent it from becoming the cancer it is today?

It's at the forefront because people are actually getting pissed off for a change. Thanks to the protests, people are becoming active. They had the opposite effect.

Plus.... it's an election year. And the bill they are backing is complete bullshit.

Wow.. why do some of you even bother posting? Seriously just take a look and pass on by. To those that actually posted real credible discussion I thank you. After all this section IS called Debate and Serious Talk not idiotic comment section.

Now taking what the news article said at face value I have to say that this is pretty alarming. If enough gang members get into the military for the specific reason to come back and use their military training as gang members on the streets then the current law enforcement has quite a bit of trouble on their hands.

Military training is better than Police training. Police training is about more than simply firing weapons, you have to console, compromise, mediate, keep the peace and a non-lethal manner and then escalate only if deemed necessary. Military training is about killing. You aim, you fire, you take out the enemy as quickly as possible. You learn to avoid being put into situations where you might get killed. This means being more alert, quicker reflexes, knowledge of devices and weapons from rifles to pistols, grenades and other explosive devices. With the number of assault weapons available still on the black market well connected gangs with enough money can get these to the trained gang members. Also those that were in the military could possible train other gang members into becoming better street soldiers. This is not unlike what militia groups do all the time except now they are on the streets and running drugs and weapons.

Unless the police start training in a military fashion, unless they start imposibing military tactics and unless they realize that an assault rifle in the hands of a trained marksman can now exist in the hands of a gang banger, then the police force is no longer effective. SWAT will be the norm, curfew will be the norm, patroling the streets in armored vehicles will be the norm.

We do not want something like this getting out of hand. This is what the article is about and this is what it's trying to prevent.

Before you even think about typing a retort, unless you have something serious to add to this.. do me and the rest of the serious commenters a favor and take whatever crap thought you had and just let it go.

skratch-x wrote:

kilroy0097 wrote:

Unless the police start training in a military fashion, unless they start imposibing military tactics and unless they realize that an assault rifle in the hands of a trained marksman can now exist in the hands of a gang banger, then the police force is no longer effective. SWAT will be the norm, curfew will be the norm, patroling the streets in armored vehicles will be the norm.

We do not want something like this getting out of hand. This is what the article is about and this is what it's trying to prevent.

So it's basically another media attempt to put is in a state of fear?  God damn do I hate the news...  Although people obtaining military training with alterior motives is not completely far fetched, getting all worked up about this is uncalled for in my humble opinion.

Exactly.  I saw this on the news the other night, and that's all it is: Media attempting to instill fear in the public.  Yeah, maybe there are a few gangmembers that went through MCRD, MCT, a tour in Iraq, and then came back and turned back to the streets.  Maybe.  That's a lot of dedication just to learn to handle weapons with greater efficiency.  i think we should be more worried about the effects of PTSD on veterans than gangbangers coming back from Iraq.  What happened to patriotic calls to support our troops?  Only when they are overseas?

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

not including me,  I know many gang members that joined the army.  After a certain amount of time in a military environment, everybody eventually got their shit together.  The rest who still thought they were out on the streets were the fuck up soldiers that got chaptered out one way or the other.   The way I figured, it would stupid and disrespectful to the memories of my fallen comrades to remain in that kind of lifestyle.  I could just imagine how much shit talking there would be back in my company if anybody still thought that I was with that shit.  It all boils down to who I have more respect for, the people I served with whom, chances are I will never see again, or the lowlifes who live around me who are going to be doing the same thing theyve been doing since high school for the rest of their lives.  I honor the memories of my friends in the service, alive and dead, more than the presence of gangmembers. 

I know a lot of high ranking NCO's who used to be hardcore gangbangers in the 80's and early 90's and entered the military and now they have chest's full of medals and 40 guys under them.

Yep.  My dads fellow marine buddy was a total fuck-up 18th St. wannabe in and out of Joplin Boys Ranch and Jail before he joined.  He retired as a Master Gunny and is one of the funniest, real, sincere people I know.

skratch-x wrote:

I was fairly confident of the military's ability to weed people out but having no certainty, I didn't make a statement about it.  The way I figure it is if military training is exploitable, someone clever would have already done it.

So can we all agree it's the media blowing this way the hell out of proportion?