JE3146
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+109|6588|Oregon
I will briefly introduce myself as a gun enthusiast. For credibility’s sake, I am a moderator on a firearm discussion forum. I moderate 1/10th of the activity put forth by over 40,000 active (not total) members. I specialize in the sections regarding the AR-15 and M16 rifles and subcategories.

Today we will look at the differences between a magazine and a clip. Both terms seem to be used interchangeably around here. I don’t expect everyone to change their “habits” and conform to what I say, but I think it’s fair to point out that the vast majority of people go around saying things that are flat out incorrect. While this might just be a “gaming forum” bare with me and you might learn something.

Take this example. We have a fork and we have a spoon. Both are feeding devices. In this case we eat with them. To call a fork a spoon, or a spoon a fork would get some looks. I guarantee they’d be confused and questionable looks. That is simply because even though they both serve similar purposes, they are not in fact alike.

Clip

Clips come in two varieties. Stripper clips, also known as “chargers” (Fig 1) and En-bloc clips (Fig 2).

1)

https://www.thecountryshed.com/sks_ac1.jpg

2)

https://www.oregonstate.edu/~edgarj/BF2S/m1gar_4.jpg


A stripper clip is a unit of metal that holds rounds together for the purpose of charging a magazine. This magazine can either be situated within the rifle [An internal magazine] or as a box magazine that can be loaded via an adapter (Show below).

https://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/ak/images/akstripperclip.jpg

https://www.thecountryshed.com/sks_ac12.jpg


Stripper clips are most commonly associated with bolt action rifles. Famous rifles such as the Mauser K98 and the Lee-Enfield SMLE or Springfield 1903. Later semi/full auto variants that use stripper clips include the Simonov SKS. (And before people get huffy, there was indeed a full auto SKS).

Stripper clips used for the purpose of charging internal box magazines are a dieing breed. There are fewer and fewer ever seeing military action around the world, and if these rifles are in the hands of military personal, they are usually for the purpose of display or parade.

When a clip is inserted into a rifle, you charge the rifle by pushing on top of the rounds, loading them into the internal magazine. You then remove the clip and chamber a round.

To demonstrate I will show the proper way to charge a rifle with a “clip.”

https://www.oregonstate.edu/~edgarj/BF2S/sks_load.jpg


The exception to this is the en-bloc clip. The en-bloc clip is a disposable piece of metal that clips rounds together. This unit is inserted directly into the internal magazine of the rifle, and when emptied, will eject from the rifle. This is most commonly seen with the M1 Garand. The distinctive “PING” when the rifle is emptied is due to the en-bloc clip exiting the magazine of the rifle.

https://www.oregonstate.edu/~edgarj/BF2S/m1gar_4.jpg

https://www.a-human-right.com/_loadinggarand.jpg


Magazine

A magazine, which is also referred to as a “mag”, is a device that stores rounds to be fed into the action of the rifle. To properly feed them into the action, the magazine is affixed to the rifle. When it is emptied, it is then removed and either disposed of or reloaded. Magazines contain components such as followers and springs (Shown below). They are made from a variety of materials including, but not limited to (Aluminum, Steel, Polymer, Bakelite).

https://www.gunaccessories.com/AR15-M16Parts/MA-KT_2.jpg

Magazines come in a variety of shapes and sizes, but the typical types are box mags and drum mags. The 3 most common box magazines in the world are the STANAG M16 magazine, and the AK-47/74 magazines. More rifles use these 3 magazines than any other in existence. The M16 mag is the NATO standard, and to be quite frank, the AK-47/74 mags are the 3rd world and communist standards.

https://bravocompanyusa.com/images/Img238.gif

https://bravocompanyusa.com/images/Img650.gif


In conclusion, a clip is not a magazine is not a clip. If you think saying “clip” is just easier, then just say “mag.” 3 letters are easier to type than 4 . Use this knowledge to your advantage. If you ever have a conversation with anyone who is gun savvy, this will save them the frustration of either correcting you or biting their lip. If anyone who thinks they are gun savvy doesn’t know the difference between a clip and a mag, then they are not gun savvy in any regard. Quite possibly they’re just redneck instead.


Clips

https://image.sportsmansguide.com/image/5/52328.JPG


Magazines

https://www.rusmilitary.com/images/5.45_AK_magazines.jpg


/END

Last edited by JE3146 (2006-05-05 03:01:38)

Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6682|NT, like Mick Dundee

Use the search, this has been covered before...

EDIT

Alot of people either know this already or don't care much. To each their own though, nice pics too... I believe in the last thread on this subject somebody mentioned the term clip is so prolific because it rhymes with something and alot of rappers have been using the term...

Always nice to see people who care for the english language though .

Last edited by Flecco (2006-05-05 01:54:04)

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
JE3146
Member
+109|6588|Oregon

Flecco wrote:

Use the search, this has been covered before...
I did use the search, it was covered once, and not in any detail.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6682|NT, like Mick Dundee

Eh? I remember a six page thread on it.... Odd...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Username II
Member
+3|6651
Clips for loading magazines, how confusing. This isn't the first thread about this though. Nice job...

I don't suppose you know what the sets of missles on the helicopters, planes, and AA installations are called? Ooh and let's not forget belt. Or if a belt is in a magazine AKA PKM is it just a magazine? Or would that technically be a drum?
JE3146
Member
+109|6588|Oregon

Flecco wrote:

Eh? I remember a six page thread on it.... Odd...
It was a 6 page thread, but again, not in any detail. I figured laying it out all up front would be a much better approach than calling everyone stupid and posting a few pics for people to stare at
JE3146
Member
+109|6588|Oregon

Username II wrote:

Clips for loading magazines, how confusing. This isn't the first thread about this though. Nice job...

I don't suppose you know what the sets of missles on the helicopters, planes, and AA installations are called? Ooh and let's not forget belt. Or if a belt is in a magazine AKA PKM is it just a magazine? Or would that technically be a drum?
Belts are fed from "boxes" that are "clipped" to rifles

Sarcasm is a second language to me though, so well done.
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|6598
Interesting - I've always wanted to know how caseless ammunition works, any ideas?
[QXJZ]Capt_Kefra
Alright, you're good to go!
+124|6745|Honolulu, HI
I think I posted on that aforementioned 6-page thread in an attempt to clear up the confusion of terminology.

People love to say "pistol clip" as though a handgun that's stripper-fed actually exists.  And I think I mentioned the M1 Garand and SKS and compared them to the M16 as well, but I got flamed for what other forum members considered to be "splitting hairs" on a distinction.

Oh well.  Good effort on clearing up the obfuscation, hopefully some good comes of it.
JE3146
Member
+109|6588|Oregon

AT3am_Murd0ch wrote:

Interesting - I've always wanted to know how caseless ammunition works, any ideas?
Found this link. Might help you out.

http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/basics/caseless.html
JE3146
Member
+109|6588|Oregon

[QXJZ]Capt_Kefra wrote:

I think I posted on that aforementioned 6-page thread in an attempt to clear up the confusion of terminology.

People love to say "pistol clip" as though a handgun that's stripper-fed actually exists.  And I think I mentioned the M1 Garand and SKS and compared them to the M16 as well, but I got flamed for what other forum members considered to be "splitting hairs" on a distinction.

Oh well.  Good effort on clearing up the obfuscation, hopefully some good comes of it.
Thankyou, and in retrospect, to say "pistol clip" on my gun discussion forum would be ensued by flames as well. Comes with the territory I guess, but I think the thing that boggles me the most, is where did this come from? The only thing I can think of is from the transition of the M1 Garand to the M14. 2 very similar platforms. One uses clips, the other mags. Maybe the info got jumbled with slang, and passed on. ?? Who knows.
pedigreeuk
I'm English, not British!
+113|6788|Rotherham, England

Flecco wrote:

Use the search, this has been covered before...

Flecco wrote:

Eh? I remember a six page thread on it.... Odd...
I found your input a little rude considering the amount of effort put into a post with the ultimate goal of helping people who like myself dont know alot about guns, but if someone goes to the effort of posting the info, I will happily read it!

Thanx JE3146, Nice post +1
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6789|PNW

JE3146 wrote:

AT3am_Murd0ch wrote:

Interesting - I've always wanted to know how caseless ammunition works, any ideas?
Found this link. Might help you out.

http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/basics/caseless.html
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,1 … 1,,00.html

Brings a tear to my eye. May it live forever in IGI 2.

Good effort on the part of the OP. Recommend for sticky.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-05 02:39:18)

Nuisance-Value
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+0|6813|UK
Alas it was probably the popular media during the vietnam film frenzy that brought about this mis-conception. But one thead or a thousand thread wont change people calling a magazine by its proper name.

Take for instance the mis name of breaking into a computer remotely. It has been called by the media as "Hacking". You actually crack into a computer, not hack. Hacking is what you do to software or hardware to make it perform functions not in its original specification.

Can you change what the media say or people say? Well no...

Once a word is popularised with the wrong meaning it is lost to that meaning forever...

Therefore people will call a magazine a clip for as long as projectile weopons are used or mediarised.
GoalieLax
Member
+2|6753
the same people who don't care are probably the same ones that say "your" when they mean "you're"
JE3146
Member
+109|6588|Oregon

Nuisance-Value wrote:

Alas it was probably the popular media during the vietnam film frenzy that brought about this mis-conception. But one thead or a thousand thread wont change people calling a magazine by its proper name.

Take for instance the mis name of breaking into a computer remotely. It has been called by the media as "Hacking". You actually crack into a computer, not hack. Hacking is what you do to software or hardware to make it perform functions not in its original specification.

Can you change what the media say or people say? Well no...

Once a word is popularised with the wrong meaning it is lost to that meaning forever...

Therefore people will call a magazine a clip for as long as projectile weopons are used or mediarised.
I hear ya .

"Cracking"...

Doesn't hurt to try though And if even one person walks away from this thread knowing the difference 100% for surely, then hey. It's 1 more person I won't have to bite my lip at when talking to them about firearms
JE3146
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+109|6588|Oregon

GoalieLax wrote:

the same people who don't care are probably the same ones that say "your" when they mean "you're"
loose and lose is the one that gets me
Nuisance-Value
Member
+0|6813|UK
Nice post by the way.
CrazeD
Member
+368|6690|Maine

JE3146 wrote:

GoalieLax wrote:

the same people who don't care are probably the same ones that say "your" when they mean "you're"
loose and lose is the one that gets me
Easy way to remember, loose - goose, lose - loser.
JE3146
Member
+109|6588|Oregon

CrazeD wrote:

JE3146 wrote:

GoalieLax wrote:

the same people who don't care are probably the same ones that say "your" when they mean "you're"
loose and lose is the one that gets me
Easy way to remember, loose - goose, lose - loser.
No no no lol. I remember them just fine. I'm just saying it annoys me.
J=MAN
Member
+25|6675|OZ
Knowing a lot about something and insisting on accuracy - that's what I like to see.

+1
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|6598

JE3146 wrote:

AT3am_Murd0ch wrote:

Interesting - I've always wanted to know how caseless ammunition works, any ideas?
Found this link. Might help you out.

http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/basics/caseless.html
Exactly what I was looking for - thanks! +1 from me!
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|6598

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Brings a tear to my eye. May it live forever in IGI 2.
I think it may also be in Operation Flashpoint as well - RIP...
[QXJZ]Capt_Kefra
Alright, you're good to go!
+124|6745|Honolulu, HI
A shot in the dark (no pun intended) at the origin of the misnomer "pistol clip":

"Magazine" sounds bigger than "clip."  Rifles are bigger than pistols.  Therefore rifles use magazines, and pistols, being smaller, use clips?

Alternately, the wrong name caught on with the origins of gangsta rap.  "Magazine" is too cumbersome to be rhymed or spoken rhythmically, and "mag" would only be said after the word "porno", I guess.  "Clip" I guess is popular for rhyming with "Crip" and "strip", among many other, less colorful words.

I have no evidence whatsoever to back up either of these claims.  But who knows anyway?
CrazeD
Member
+368|6690|Maine

JE3146 wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

JE3146 wrote:


loose and lose is the one that gets me
Easy way to remember, loose - goose, lose - loser.
No no no lol. I remember them just fine. I'm just saying it annoys me.
Oh..haha, ma bad.

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