was once on wake where I came from the carrier in a blackhawk, when I come closer to the flag I see a lovely tank being alone then I see a soldier who just spotted me. Ofcourse he don't run for the tank straight away so I manage to drive closer jump out and keep pushing "E" to enter the tank and got. So got the flag after and and took care of the remaining forces. You just love those moment when stealing a Tank right in front of their face.
Isn't banning for Vehicle stealing wrong acording to the rules of EA and I belive they made the server none ranked forever if they found out. So if he wanted he could report your server so that it will not be ranked anymore.
In the end it's really EAs rules that matter unless people use votekick but that NEVER works. I have been on servers where they have banned me for just using a tank in 10 seconds(They didn't even use IO mode to), or using grenades on a IO map, hell even UAV, Artry, Claymores where banned on it.
I could get all those servers to be none ranked if I wanted. And vehicle Stealing is not wrong, because if you can't take the APC/Tank before an enemy does it you deserve to loose it.
And if someone do take it, only get 4 people with anti tank kit and get rid of it. They can't repair that fast you know.
In the end it's really EAs rules that matter unless people use votekick but that NEVER works. I have been on servers where they have banned me for just using a tank in 10 seconds(They didn't even use IO mode to), or using grenades on a IO map, hell even UAV, Artry, Claymores where banned on it.
I could get all those servers to be none ranked if I wanted. And vehicle Stealing is not wrong, because if you can't take the APC/Tank before an enemy does it you deserve to loose it.
And if someone do take it, only get 4 people with anti tank kit and get rid of it. They can't repair that fast you know.
Scandinavian tage are the bestest! You guys have some funny ish on your tags. Love the one above...
Anuway, maaaaaaan, FUCK admins who kick for stealing vehicles! It's WAR! If I'm sneaky enough to get into your base, blow up some of your shit and then cruise back to more pwnage in your APC/Tank, then it's you the bitch man! Come get me! lol
Anyway. What is pwnage and teh? I've learnt them from these boards but don't have a clue why they evolved or what they stand for. PM me to explain. I'll give you a plus one.
Yo - Plus one to the OP. Big up the GTAPC massive. lol
Anuway, maaaaaaan, FUCK admins who kick for stealing vehicles! It's WAR! If I'm sneaky enough to get into your base, blow up some of your shit and then cruise back to more pwnage in your APC/Tank, then it's you the bitch man! Come get me! lol
Anyway. What is pwnage and teh? I've learnt them from these boards but don't have a clue why they evolved or what they stand for. PM me to explain. I'll give you a plus one.
Yo - Plus one to the OP. Big up the GTAPC massive. lol
well, I once got kicked for stealing when I wasn´t stealing anything.
It was on sharqi, when a pretty dumb mec-soldier decided to park his tank at the city entrance.
by the time I showed up, no one except me and the empty mec tank was there.
I did, what pretty much every usmc soldier would have done - I jumped in it.
10 seconds after that I got kicked.
It was on sharqi, when a pretty dumb mec-soldier decided to park his tank at the city entrance.
by the time I showed up, no one except me and the empty mec tank was there.
I did, what pretty much every usmc soldier would have done - I jumped in it.
10 seconds after that I got kicked.
Very Graphic +1dontfeedthenerd wrote:
I promptly crashed the damn thing into a tree because my piloting skills are that of a small retarded gerbil with both of its front appendages tied to a used Hungarian hooker.
What?!?Zefar wrote:
Isn't banning for Vehicle stealing wrong acording to the rules of EA and I belive they made the server none ranked forever if they found out. So if he wanted he could report your server so that it will not be ranked anymore.
In the end it's really EAs rules that matter unless people use votekick but that NEVER works. I have been on servers where they have banned me for just using a tank in 10 seconds(They didn't even use IO mode to), or using grenades on a IO map, hell even UAV, Artry, Claymores where banned on it.
I could get all those servers to be none ranked if I wanted. And vehicle Stealing is not wrong, because if you can't take the APC/Tank before an enemy does it you deserve to loose it.
And if someone do take it, only get 4 people with anti tank kit and get rid of it. They can't repair that fast you know.
Really this discussion starts to piss me off...
The official ROE's from EA are not clear in this matter, but there are some rules pointing towards my POV:
"3 LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER RULES MODIFICATIONS
These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers. These rules are decided by clan administrators for those servers and as long as they do not contradict any global rules enforced by EA are considered valid for those servers.
This would include but not limited to:
...
§ Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited.
§ Prolonged or sustained attacks on main (uncapturable) bases (i.e. spawncamping).
§ Clans may change or customise rules, provided they don’t violate the above ROE rules."
This leaves surely room for interpretation, but it seems obvious to me, that making rules who don't collide with EA rules are strictly legal (Nulla poena sine lege). But if anyone has a "updated version of those EA Roe's" (and I don't guess so) please feel free to show them to me, k?
Nobody in our clan would kick someone cause he enters an uncappable base for sabotage or cause he jumps into a left vehicle on the battlefield (that someone stupid left there ), BUT we think, that entering an uncappable base just for vehicle stealing is and remains BaseRaping. I want to mention, that we pay EA a lot of money for our ranked server and this we don't do just for us, no, we also pay for each one of You guys.
I just ask for some respect for those who pay, their rules (if EA ROE's aren't broken) AND their courage to enforce fair gameplay. Some kids here seem to have no manners at all; throwing around words like FUCK or STUPID degrades themselves. I won't discuss this anymore.
Hope I didn't piss off the wrong people (most of You are highly respected),
Greetings, John
Last edited by [TNT]Ghostrider (2006-09-13 06:47:12)
I find this whole discussion about "no attacking uncap"- or "No stealing vehicles"-rules quite ridiculous.
No attacks on uncaps is a pussy rule for lamers who want to camp in peace until their jet or heli spawns.
And if people allow the enemy to steal their vehicles - how dumb do they have to be?
The whole ROE leaves way too much room for interpretation.For example:
2.3.1 Disallowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:
Server Administrators may not implement or enforce server rules on ranked servers that prohibit players from using any roles, kits, weapons, vehicles or other features of the game while playing on their server. Examples of such rules that would violate the conditions of use are:
(b) Preventing any players from using certain vehicles such as jets, helicopters or tanks.
It is mentioned in the ROE that they have to be allied vehicles? No!
So theoretically is Ghostrider acting against the ROE by prohibiting the theft of enemy vehicles from the main base.
And if you check out what the ROE sees as an acceptable rule against baseraping:
(d) Making attacks on enemy main bases (flags that cannot be captured), including artillery strikes, vehicle drops to block runways, bombing runs with aircraft or sustained infantry attacks. (Note that specific attacks targeting the enemy commander’s asset buildings are always allowed, even if they are within the enemy main base.)
No word about the uncap being a "demilitarized zone for the enemy",you can't really call one or two spec-ops in the base a "sustained infantry attack" and admins can't prohibit people to go there and take the vehicle of their choice(see 2.3.1 (b) ).
Enforcing such a rule is just like saying: "I'm a pussy,I need a safe place to hide.".
Kicking somebody for stealing vehicles is like cutting your own balls off,one must be a manly man if he lets his vehicles taken away from him and then doesn't even have the courage to pay for his own mistake.
No base-rape/entering uncap-rules in any form are just ridiculous.
No attacks on uncaps is a pussy rule for lamers who want to camp in peace until their jet or heli spawns.
And if people allow the enemy to steal their vehicles - how dumb do they have to be?
The whole ROE leaves way too much room for interpretation.For example:
2.3.1 Disallowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:
Server Administrators may not implement or enforce server rules on ranked servers that prohibit players from using any roles, kits, weapons, vehicles or other features of the game while playing on their server. Examples of such rules that would violate the conditions of use are:
(b) Preventing any players from using certain vehicles such as jets, helicopters or tanks.
It is mentioned in the ROE that they have to be allied vehicles? No!
So theoretically is Ghostrider acting against the ROE by prohibiting the theft of enemy vehicles from the main base.
And if you check out what the ROE sees as an acceptable rule against baseraping:
(d) Making attacks on enemy main bases (flags that cannot be captured), including artillery strikes, vehicle drops to block runways, bombing runs with aircraft or sustained infantry attacks. (Note that specific attacks targeting the enemy commander’s asset buildings are always allowed, even if they are within the enemy main base.)
No word about the uncap being a "demilitarized zone for the enemy",you can't really call one or two spec-ops in the base a "sustained infantry attack" and admins can't prohibit people to go there and take the vehicle of their choice(see 2.3.1 (b) ).
Enforcing such a rule is just like saying: "I'm a pussy,I need a safe place to hide.".
Kicking somebody for stealing vehicles is like cutting your own balls off,one must be a manly man if he lets his vehicles taken away from him and then doesn't even have the courage to pay for his own mistake.
No base-rape/entering uncap-rules in any form are just ridiculous.
Last edited by Mj.Blindfisch (2006-09-13 07:45:49)
I think this whole thing is pretty shaky. Because of the wording, it would be easy to agree with Ghostrider or Mj.Blindfisch. Personally, vehicle stealing is one of my favorite parts of the game. However, Ghostrider made a rather respectful case and didn't really argue with anyone. Like he said, it's his server. If you've got a problem find a different server. I'm going to continue to steal, and if I get kicked for it, I'll just kidnap the admins in-game, then find a new server.
Hello to all
i was reading the whol thread because my mate told me that we had not just friens in the community.
i was really surprised why there are so many bad vibrations about the Basestealing Point.
When i play on a server witch belongs to a clan or some one else, i try to respect the rules of them. for me its nearly the same as i go to a friends house. when he tolt me to take off my shoes befor entering i will do that.
and in the same way i see the part with the server rules. if the won't a baseraper on the server so they chan kick or ban him for that if they writte the rules in the server message. i often play on our server and did nearly never hear that some one don't like our rules. most of our guests are enjoing the time while playing. and in Fact most of the time if some one steal a jet or what ever on the enemy mainbase we would warn him once. Shure if the same player did it twice he will be kicked...
We just want to have a fairplay on our server we pay.
if you don't like the rules or you don't want to play like this, ok its you choise to leave...
i'm nearly shure that some one now would start to talk and would tell us how we have to manage our server but i think we arn't that wrong with our ROE's most of the players come often on our server and as long we
have players on it the situation can not be so bad and funless.
have a nice day and enjoy your play
greets Shaper
i was reading the whol thread because my mate told me that we had not just friens in the community.
i was really surprised why there are so many bad vibrations about the Basestealing Point.
When i play on a server witch belongs to a clan or some one else, i try to respect the rules of them. for me its nearly the same as i go to a friends house. when he tolt me to take off my shoes befor entering i will do that.
and in the same way i see the part with the server rules. if the won't a baseraper on the server so they chan kick or ban him for that if they writte the rules in the server message. i often play on our server and did nearly never hear that some one don't like our rules. most of our guests are enjoing the time while playing. and in Fact most of the time if some one steal a jet or what ever on the enemy mainbase we would warn him once. Shure if the same player did it twice he will be kicked...
We just want to have a fairplay on our server we pay.
if you don't like the rules or you don't want to play like this, ok its you choise to leave...
i'm nearly shure that some one now would start to talk and would tell us how we have to manage our server but i think we arn't that wrong with our ROE's most of the players come often on our server and as long we
have players on it the situation can not be so bad and funless.
have a nice day and enjoy your play
greets Shaper
The essence of the argument here isn't that people aren't following your rules, it is your interpretation of what constitutes baserape.
Baserape is continually artying an uncap, or sitting in a tank and shooting people as soon as they spawn. The majority of people here do not feel that stealing a vehicle from an uncapable base constitutes baserape.
If the enemy and their commander are so poor at defense that they let people get into their uncapable then in my eyes they deserve to have armour taken.
If you want to enforce that stealing vehicles is unacceptable then you need to explicitly state this in your server rules, NOT assume that everybody will have the same interpretation of baserape.
Just my $0.02
Baserape is continually artying an uncap, or sitting in a tank and shooting people as soon as they spawn. The majority of people here do not feel that stealing a vehicle from an uncapable base constitutes baserape.
If the enemy and their commander are so poor at defense that they let people get into their uncapable then in my eyes they deserve to have armour taken.
If you want to enforce that stealing vehicles is unacceptable then you need to explicitly state this in your server rules, NOT assume that everybody will have the same interpretation of baserape.
Just my $0.02
this thread is teh ghey
It almost sounds like the old argument from Mum & Dad saying "Our house, our rules) and for those of you who live wth mum & dad as adults you probably get the trailing bit "...if you don't like it move out". We all know what that felt like as kids.[TNT]Shaper wrote:
Hello to all
i was reading the whol thread because my mate told me that we had not just friens in the community.
i was really surprised why there are so many bad vibrations about the Basestealing Point.
When i play on a server witch belongs to a clan or some one else, i try to respect the rules of them. for me its nearly the same as i go to a friends house. when he tolt me to take off my shoes befor entering i will do that.
and in the same way i see the part with the server rules. if the won't a baseraper on the server so they chan kick or ban him for that if they writte the rules in the server message. i often play on our server and did nearly never hear that some one don't like our rules. most of our guests are enjoing the time while playing. and in Fact most of the time if some one steal a jet or what ever on the enemy mainbase we would warn him once. Shure if the same player did it twice he will be kicked...
We just want to have a fairplay on our server we pay.
if you don't like the rules or you don't want to play like this, ok its you choise to leave...
i'm nearly shure that some one now would start to talk and would tell us how we have to manage our server but i think we arn't that wrong with our ROE's most of the players come often on our server and as long we
have players on it the situation can not be so bad and funless.
have a nice day and enjoy your play
greets Shaper
I would be interested to know the history of the decision to kick opposing teams for stealing vehicles. Why haven't you enforced the rule on the responsable team and forced them to defend the vehicles? If they don't defend, then kick them.
Just looking for some intelligent debate on an interesting rule.
I've been caught stealing;
once, when I was 5...
I enjoy stealing.
It's just as simple as that.
Well, it's just a simple fact.
When I want something,
I don't want to pay for it.
I walk right through the door.
Walk right through the door.
Hey all right! If I get by, it's mine.
Mine all mine!
once, when I was 5...
I enjoy stealing.
It's just as simple as that.
Well, it's just a simple fact.
When I want something,
I don't want to pay for it.
I walk right through the door.
Walk right through the door.
Hey all right! If I get by, it's mine.
Mine all mine!
Last edited by oberst_enzian (2006-09-13 22:07:33)
Again I'd like to mention some important points:Redback00 wrote:
I would be interested to know the history of the decision to kick opposing teams for stealing vehicles. Why haven't you enforced the rule on the responsable team and forced them to defend the vehicles? If they don't defend, then kick them.
Just looking for some intelligent debate on an interesting rule.
1. Our main intention with this rule is to ensure a certain balance on the battlefield. Nothing seems worser to me than a total dominance of one faction over the other during a battle. Not that it just kills the fun, no, it becomes a waste of time for everyone on the server. And yes, I admit it's still no guarantee for fair gameplay. But I think it won't worsen this dominance problem.
2. Before I kick someone for stealing, I always consider his situation: Is his situation a desperate one; I might look away. I know, I know, many of You will cry out: "What sort of rules are this!!!!" But I'll do anything, even breaking my own rules, to ensure a good fight. (scire leges non hoc est verba earum tenere sed vim ac potestatem)
3. If someone steals a vehicle in an uncappable base we always warn him first. If someone then brings the vehicle back, he is free to walk away! We won't shoot him! BULLSHIT some of You will say? Well we had that kind of situation last Thursday, and let me tell You; the guy came back to his comrades without been harmed.
If You take all this points in consideration, I'll hope You see some guys struggling to maintain a good and very clean way to play Bf2 on their server.
Hope You guys all have a great day, John
P.S.: I read here sometimes that it's about war and everything should be allowed, but let me say answer this:
-No, even in real war certain rules must be maintained. (Gotta know; I'm 1st Lt of the Swiss Artillery (FATO/ Forward Artillery Target Observer )
-This ain't war; this should be pure fun...
Sidenote:
I just googled "Stealing enemy assets" and guess who's post came up as the first hit?
I'm ze BF2 guerilla!
I just googled "Stealing enemy assets" and guess who's post came up as the first hit?
I'm ze BF2 guerilla!
I need around tree fiddy.
I can appreciate (but don't agree with) why you have introduced the rules but you still haven't answered why you are not forcing the responsible team to defend their vehicles? If you were truly concerned about avoiding total dominance within a fair environment then surely the team owning the vehicles should be the responsible team not the opposing team. Part of the fun of the game is responding to the opposing teams tactics by being smarter than the other team. If a team is stealing vehicles then change your tactics don't change the rules, that just reduces the fun.[TNT]Ghostrider wrote:
Again I'd like to mention some important points:Redback00 wrote:
I would be interested to know the history of the decision to kick opposing teams for stealing vehicles. Why haven't you enforced the rule on the responsible team and forced them to defend the vehicles? If they don't defend, then kick them.
Just looking for some intelligent debate on an interesting rule.
1. Our main intention with this rule is to ensure a certain balance on the battlefield. Nothing seems worser to me than a total dominance of one faction over the other during a battle. Not that it just kills the fun, no, it becomes a waste of time for everyone on the server. And yes, I admit it's still no guarantee for fair gameplay. But I think it won't worsen this dominance problem.
2. Before I kick someone for stealing, I always consider his situation: Is his situation a desperate one; I might look away. I know, I know, many of You will cry out: "What sort of rules are this!!!!" But I'll do anything, even breaking my own rules, to ensure a good fight. (scire leges non hoc est verba earum tenere sed vim ac potestatem)
3. If someone steals a vehicle in an uncappable base we always warn him first. If someone then brings the vehicle back, he is free to walk away! We won't shoot him! BULLSHIT some of You will say? Well we had that kind of situation last Thursday, and let me tell You; the guy came back to his comrades without been harmed.
If You take all this points in consideration, I'll hope You see some guys struggling to maintain a good and very clean way to play Bf2 on their server.
Hope You guys all have a great day, John
P.S.: I read here sometimes that it's about war and everything should be allowed, but let me say answer this:
-No, even in real war certain rules must be maintained. (Gotta know; I'm 1st Lt of the Swiss Artillery (FATO/ Forward Artillery Target Observer )
-This ain't war; this should be pure fun...
Cause nobody likes being at home, when there is a party in the city, right?
Exactly![TNT]Ghostrider wrote:
Cause nobody likes being at home, when there is a party in the city, right?
But for the opposing team, the party is at your house! Be a gracious host and kick them out with force not power.
Beat them enough and they'll stop coming over! People generally stop after the second time and "You Win".
you write in your diary about a game?...
[commander voice]Get off this net![/commander voice]Choclot wrote:
you write in your diary about a game?...
Apparently pre-teens have yet to grasp the concept of different writing techniques, such as sarcasm, story-telling, humourous writing, descriptive writing etc.
This might be the prime reason to why in-game the messages that appear on the screen have little or no content and are limited mostly to "omg n00b" "haxx0r" "you die now" and so on.
This thread has become a debate over server rules, one in particular; The stealing of the enemy's tanks/planes/choppers and other assets. Don't be fooled by the fact that this topic is in the "BF2 - Chatter"-section. It doesn't mean that this particular thread needs spamming and dumb comments.
I admit, I often post stupid-ass comments and spam a thread. Maybe I'm being a total jerk right now, when trying to limit off-topic posts in this thread because it is one of my creations. Then again, this thread has been a good place to debate this particular rule, with the [TNT]-guys none the less!
This is why I find your post to have no place here.
Thank you for reading, Choclot.
-DonFck-
P.S. No, I don't even own a diary.
Last edited by DonFck (2006-09-14 04:47:49)
I need around tree fiddy.
do you ever go to bed?DonFck wrote:
Sidenote:
I just googled "Stealing enemy assets" and guess who's post came up as the first hit?
I'm ze BF2 guerilla!
I have to admit to being a tankwhore, and nothing is more satisfying than stealing an enemy tank and keeping it as long as possible. The rush of running towards the tank and hoping not to see the red text appear on it just before you enter. As to whether it should be allowed or not - as long as it is clearly stated in the server rules either is fine.