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2006-05-10 22:39:53
rawls
Banned
+11|7044|California, USA

dubbs wrote:

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

Am I classed as a "dolphin diver" as whenever I see an enemy I jump to the ground so I get better accuracy and it makes me harder to see/shoot?

Could the military get called "prone whores" because whenever they think they see someone they hit the floor?

I just don't get it.
Dolphin diving is when you jump then prone in mid air, you look like a dolphin jumping out of the water.  This action is usally followed by the person jumping from a prone postion, then landing in a prone postion over and over again.

Yes the military may prone when shooting but they do not run, prone, and shoot while in the process of proning.
In my day they called all that button mashing "combos". You were either good at them  or not. I could understand the whining to a certain extent, but when they nerf the game and ppl still cry about the same thing, cmon. It may be hard to kill a diver but its not impossible. Just takes practice and skill. Just my opinion.

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2006-05-10 22:53:03
rawls
Banned
+11|7044|California, USA

Clockwork-Ownage wrote:

Prone spamming is possible, along with dolphin diving...

Prone Spamming is actually a good technique if you can get it right, like, instead of just popping UP and DOWN behind a box, you can pop out left and/or right, possibly throwing a sniper off a little.

Dolphin-Diving....There wouldnt be a problem if people werent jumping all over the place and lately you don't see many that do (: I play S/F, but only because  you can't homo-hop in S/F Like haviong the ability to jump over a sandbag and land prone to avoid fire...thats plausible, if after you empty your clip all you do is dive around without getting back you your feet, your just abusing an exploit is all... and we all know what we'll hear next and, in a much whinier voice I bet....

"Well (snivvle) if they put it in the game, its ok to (snivvle) do."

"I paid for this game, I'll do what i want!"


I'm glad they did away with jumping and shooting, all it led to was everyone in every server jumping around like fools, and i for one am glad to see that it changed to a less "bouncy" kinda game...


I can't wait until people put this into the title of theyre games...

"The most realistic depiction of modern day warfare to date!"

Then maybe we could call it a "war-simulator"

I like to play games for theyre realism, and I like this one when its played straight up, people using boxes for cover, a tank that actually watches the mini-map and moves forward with his infantry to provide cover for infantry to take flags and so on...

But we're left with stat whores, people who take vehicles just for the sake of getting kills rather than taking flags, snipers that create squads on theyre own and lock them, Comanders fighting in armor, taking kills the infantry should be getting, people raping main spawn points for kills, not defence, people that are all working for an explosives badge, and instead of choosing a weapon to fight close quarters, they'll just spam clays all over while running around with a sniper rifle they're not going to use.


Karkand by far is the worst and I wont play it anymore, now US captures all the back flags, take the armor so X2 for tank and BTR, then trap MEC at HOTEL with all armor, kill everything before it moves....

No, no thaks, I wont be a part of that anymore, its not even fun being on the winning (or should I say padding/raping) team, actually its more of who can shoot the guy first, not who gets shot first, and that seems like a waste of time, seems like your JUST playing for #'s and not the fun in it all.
Geez louise, you know for someone who says they play for fun it sure doesn't seem like it. My advise, next time your in a server ask the the enemy players to stand still so you can have "fun".  I apologize for the sarcasm.

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2006-05-10 22:54:50
dubbs
Member
+105|6861|Lexington, KY

rawls wrote:

dubbs wrote:

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

Am I classed as a "dolphin diver" as whenever I see an enemy I jump to the ground so I get better accuracy and it makes me harder to see/shoot?

Could the military get called "prone whores" because whenever they think they see someone they hit the floor?

I just don't get it.
Dolphin diving is when you jump then prone in mid air, you look like a dolphin jumping out of the water.  This action is usally followed by the person jumping from a prone postion, then landing in a prone postion over and over again.

Yes the military may prone when shooting but they do not run, prone, and shoot while in the process of proning.
In my day they called all that button mashing "combos". You were either good at them  or not. I could understand the whining to a certain extent, but when they nerf the game and ppl still cry about the same thing, cmon. It may be hard to kill a diver but its not impossible. Just takes practice and skill. Just my opinion.
How is this whining?  I was just answering the guy's question, and replying to another post that stated proning was something that the military does.  I agreeed with the guy about the military proning, but stated that they do not run, prone, and shoot at the sametime.

Stating fact is not the same as whining.
2006-05-10 23:03:41
rawls
Banned
+11|7044|California, USA
I stand corrected. In a more careful review of your post, i failed to spot any whining. However, it does lead me to beleive you are against those who practice this technique and that is why I responded.
2006-05-11 05:22:16
DrM
Member
+33|6850
I think that there should just be a huge accuracy penalty if you are shooting while in transition from any position to another.
If a devation of 15 was added to all transition shots then prone spamming, dolphin diving etc could only be used as defensive actions.
I dont mind having to shoot a moving target, that requires some skills and everyone should have to learn them, but I think that anyone rolling around on the floor or bouncing in the air should not be able to hit the side of a barn.
2006-05-12 01:12:40
Clockwork-Ownage
Member
+10|6797

rawls wrote:

I stand corrected. In a more careful review of your post, i failed to spot any whining. However, it does lead me to beleive you are against those who practice this technique and that is why I responded.
This statement proves without a doubt, that people who do something out of the ordinary for an advantage in-game inevitably call people who DON'T use theyre technique a whiner.

In conclusion, anyone calling you a whiner for bad mouthing bunnyhoppers, obviously is one.
2006-05-12 01:23:47
Phatso
The Moisture
+49|6924|South Africa

DrM wrote:

I think that there should just be a huge accuracy penalty if you are shooting while in transition from any position to another.
If a devation of 15 was added to all transition shots then prone spamming, dolphin diving etc could only be used as defensive actions.
I dont mind having to shoot a moving target, that requires some skills and everyone should have to learn them, but I think that anyone rolling around on the floor or bouncing in the air should not be able to hit the side of a barn.
I agree, however how would one get up from cover to shoot and then get down again? Maybe THEY could have it so that if you jump and crouch/prone within 3 seconds of time, your accuracy is highly affected.
Suppose one can dream
2006-05-12 03:15:44
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|7034|Portland, OR, USA

I think everyone should be wearing hot pink clothes and not be able to move. That'd make it a lot easier to kill people. None of this unrealistic bullshit called "jumping".
https://bf3s.com/sigs/044900892044e7fc95e599e832a086ae9bcd7efb.png
2006-05-12 06:49:06
rawls
Banned
+11|7044|California, USA

Clockwork-Ownage wrote:

rawls wrote:

I stand corrected. In a more careful review of your post, i failed to spot any whining. However, it does lead me to beleive you are against those who practice this technique and that is why I responded.
This statement proves without a doubt, that people who do something out of the ordinary for an advantage in-game inevitably call people who DON'T use theyre technique a whiner.

In conclusion, anyone calling you a whiner for bad mouthing bunnyhoppers, obviously is one.
I stood corrected because the guy was explaining and not whining persay. You however are with out a doubt a baby. Jumping and diving are used to avoid bullets. I hardly think thats out of the odinary. Like I said before, why dont you ask your oppnents to stand still so you can have an easier time getting kills. I dont call people who dont jump or go prone a whiner, I call them dead soldiers.
2006-05-13 15:33:59
MMad
Member
+0|6939
To OP: against people like that, use the grenade launcher.
2006-05-13 15:41:10
Jussimies
Finnish commander whore
+76|6813|Finland
Yeah dolphin dive... or whatever u wan't to call it happens still, maybe they are some sort of cheaters? I dunno.
2006-05-14 06:40:00
xaven
Member
+25|6962|Berlin

Jussimies wrote:

Yeah dolphin dive... or whatever u wan't to call it happens still, maybe they are some sort of cheaters? I dunno.
no.
2006-05-14 06:48:27
lord_tyler_486
Member
+54|6981|Upper Franconia
In CS 1.6 you can't walk or run for a short time after you jumped     => add to bf2
I don't think anybody will keep jumping and jumping if they can't go one single step.
2006-05-14 06:55:16
Cheddarmuff
Member
+21|6881
As far as I am concerned this is an exploit...ask yourself is this an INTENDED form of combat when EA/DICE designed the game...NO, hence an exploit of something that has not been contemplated in the programming.

People do it, fine, let them have their technique, I don't care if EA does anything about this or not, it doesn't affect my stats (unless the entire world starts using this chicken-shit approach to battle).

You may get better stats using this technique but it doesn't make you a better player, in fact I think it makes you worse as you cannot get by on traditional or acceptable means.  If EA thought it was ok they wouldn't have tried to fix it in the patch.

So have fun and dolphin dive away if you like....or don't...
2006-05-16 12:36:48
Toxin
Member
+8|6785
It's an exploit, plain and simple.  But, like any game there are going to be exploits that people are going to...well, exploit to get points, awards, or simply to just piss other people off.  It's a fact of life.  It's lame, and it sure as hell doesn't mean someone is more skilled because they can punch a couple buttons or script everything to one key.  It makes them lame and pathetic.  Sorry.  In any case, life goes on and we'll just have to adapt until (if) it's ever fixed.  Until then I'll just roll my eyes and sarcastically agree when they brag about how l337 they are. 

I think it's hilarious how people blow things out of proportion. "Oh my god, you want to take away my exploit??  Might as well keep me from moving so you can shoot me easier!!! wah wah wah."  Reach down, grab both ears, and pull your head out of your butt.  You know damn well that's not what people are asking for.

Last edited by Toxin (2006-05-16 13:18:12)

2006-05-16 13:54:25
xaven
Member
+25|6962|Berlin

Toxin wrote:

It's an exploit, plain and simple.  But, like any game there are going to be exploits that people are going to...well, exploit to get points, awards, or simply to just piss other people off.  It's a fact of life.  It's lame, and it sure as hell doesn't mean someone is more skilled because they can punch a couple buttons or script everything to one key.  It makes them lame and pathetic.  Sorry.  In any case, life goes on and we'll just have to adapt until (if) it's ever fixed.  Until then I'll just roll my eyes and sarcastically agree when they brag about how l337 they are. 

I think it's hilarious how people blow things out of proportion. "Oh my god, you want to take away my exploit??  Might as well keep me from moving so you can shoot me easier!!! wah wah wah."  Reach down, grab both ears, and pull your head out of your butt.  You know damn well that's not what people are asking for.
your opinion.

and obviously you also cant move like others and you are pissed that you cant hit others. thats why its an exploit for you. plain and simple.

lord_tyler_486 wrote:

In CS 1.6 you can't walk or run for a short time after you jumped     => add to bf2
I don't think anybody will keep jumping and jumping if they can't go one single step.
why dont you play CS 1.6?

Last edited by xaven (2006-05-16 13:56:02)

2006-05-16 14:13:38
Toxin
Member
+8|6785

xaven wrote:

your opinion.

and obviously you also cant move like others and you are pissed that you cant hit others. thats why its an exploit for you. plain and simple.
Awww.  I always think it's cute when people assume they know me and what I am "really" thinking from just a few lines.  Contrary to your keen detective skills, I can move just fine.  And while it may annoy me, I am far from pissed.  I can even perform the famed dolphin dive...but I don't use it.  It is, in my opinion, an exploit and a cheap way to get kills.  If you want to keep your blinders on and say it's legit and that it takes skill....more power to you.  As I said in my post, there will always be exploits and lamers there to take advantage of them.  It's far more satisfying to adapt and just wipe the floor with them when they try and roll and jump all over.

My 8 year old nephew can beat some serious butt in DragaonBall Z on his Gamecube cause he's got two or three really powerful moves programed into his head.  He can mash that controller pretty good and bang those things out over and over...does that make him skilled??  Nope.  When you rely on one method over and over eventually people figure that out and counter it.  Anyone worth their salt will do that.

So anytime I hear someone talk about how skilled they are for mashing their keyboard so they can jump up and down and get a bunch of kills I just want to reach out and pat them on the head.  "that's right buddy, you are soooooo skilled.  Have another juice box." 
2006-05-16 16:04:50
[CANADA]_Zenmaster
Pope Picard II
+473|6974

Toxin wrote:

xaven wrote:

your opinion.

and obviously you also cant move like others and you are pissed that you cant hit others. thats why its an exploit for you. plain and simple.
Awww.  I always think it's cute when people assume they know me and what I am "really" thinking from just a few lines.  Contrary to your keen detective skills, I can move just fine.  And while it may annoy me, I am far from pissed.  I can even perform the famed dolphin dive...but I don't use it.  It is, in my opinion, an exploit and a cheap way to get kills.  If you want to keep your blinders on and say it's legit and that it takes skill....more power to you.  As I said in my post, there will always be exploits and lamers there to take advantage of them.  It's far more satisfying to adapt and just wipe the floor with them when they try and roll and jump all over.

My 8 year old nephew can beat some serious butt in DragaonBall Z on his Gamecube cause he's got two or three really powerful moves programed into his head.  He can mash that controller pretty good and bang those things out over and over...does that make him skilled??  Nope.  When you rely on one method over and over eventually people figure that out and counter it.  Anyone worth their salt will do that.

So anytime I hear someone talk about how skilled they are for mashing their keyboard so they can jump up and down and get a bunch of kills I just want to reach out and pat them on the head.  "that's right buddy, you are soooooo skilled.  Have another juice box." 
Talk about blinders on, no-where is it promoted as the end all constant button mash solution for all combat situations. Not only isn't it a button mash, it is only useful in 5% of the cases when in extreme close combat. Most people jump around like idiots in this situation, or they stand their lagging out trying to see where you are going and aim at you slowly making for an easy kill.

Nobody is talking about running around the map like Volx does in his videos. You act like you have a well reasoned argument, but it is mostly tainted with personal opinion - which you are welcome to, but don't act like it is an accurate description of the reality of a skilled player in BF2.

I refer you to my previous posts in this topic if you want to argue with anything I have to say especially why it is not an exploit. Yes it is my opinion but it's a damn sight closer to the truth then saying everyone is button mashing hopping around the map and thats their end all method to infantry combat.
2006-05-16 20:18:43
Toxin
Member
+8|6785

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Talk about blinders on, no-where is it promoted as the end all constant button mash solution for all combat situations. Not only isn't it a button mash, it is only useful in 5% of the cases when in extreme close combat. Most people jump around like idiots in this situation, or they stand their lagging out trying to see where you are going and aim at you slowly making for an easy kill.
I never said it was the "end all" to combat situations.  This is just the topic at hand, so it's what I'm discussing.  Perhaps I shouldn't have said "mashing the buttons" as that's not accurate...I was being sarcastic.  Point being, they both invlolve a player memorizing a 2 or 3 button kestroke to get quick kills.  Any bozo can do that....it doesn't require skill....just repetition.

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Nobody is talking about running around the map like Volx does in his videos. You act like you have a well reasoned argument, but it is mostly tainted with personal opinion - which you are welcome to, but don't act like it is an accurate description of the reality of a skilled player in BF2.
Say what you want, but the ability to hit two or three buttons over and over in sequence to get kills does not equate skill...especially not in this game.  Keep in mind we're not talking about the player's overall skill here.  Someone may be the most skilled player in the game...and that's fine.  But using this exploit to get kills is not "skillful" in any sense of the word.  That's the only thing we're touching on here.  I am far more impressed with a player that is able to use teamwork, stealth, communication, etc. to capture a flag than some rambo running in there and using an exploit to get a few quick kills.  That's just my opinion...and it's no more or less valid than yours.

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

I refer you to my previous posts in this topic if you want to argue with anything I have to say especially why it is not an exploit. Yes it is my opinion but it's a damn sight closer to the truth then saying everyone is button mashing hopping around the map and thats their end all method to infantry combat.
I read your previous posts...none of them hold water for me.  Let's go back in this thread and look at how many people have dropped in just to say "Well geez, why don't you just make it so I can't move" or "What do you expect me to do...just stand there so you can shoot me, n00b #$*&#!!!"  Looking at those statements it would stand to reason that these people would be unable to play without this exploit.  Like this is the only way they can survive and get kills....like they have no other skills beyond that trick.  I'm sure that's not really the case with these people....but that's how it's coming accross.  That's where this all gets me.  So they take that ability away....is it really that detrimental?  Will it really cause people to stop playing becuase they can't do that anymore???  If the answer is yes, then that person needs to practice more and expand their skills beyond one move.  Is it their "end all method to infantry combat???"  It almost seems like it would be to some of these people.

Let's just call it a difference of opinion.  And until there is an official word from EA/DICE on if it is or is not...that's what it will remain.  Even then I doubt we'd see eye to eye.  When it all comes down to it I think there are just two different camps playing this game: those who prefer a more realistic combat simulator (myself) and those would rather leave it as is (you).  Cause lets face it...that manuver would never work in real life.  Nor would bunny hopping, reviving dead people with paddles, or squad members spawning out of the squad leaders butt.  It's too bad they can't spawn two different version of the game.  I am actually very excited about the changes with the upcoming patch regarding squad jumping and hope it continues down that path.  Again, just my opinion.

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2006-05-16 22:11:08
VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|6935|Antarctica
I'm a "prone whore" for trying to stay alive and kill the enemy?  Am I supposed to stand kill so you can shoot me?
2006-05-17 07:02:23
Toxin
Member
+8|6785

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

I'm a "prone whore" for trying to stay alive and kill the enemy?  Am I supposed to stand kill so you can shoot me?
  Holy Hell.  Why is it so hard to understand??  Nobody says you can't go prone, nobody says you can't mash your keyboard in a fury to run, dive, shoot, whatever.  This topic is about the people who blatently use the dolphin diving as an exploit to get kills.  Everyone does, or at least should, go prone when in a firefight.  That's beside the point.

We are talking about something that, by some, is considered an exploit.
2006-05-17 07:10:53
a fly
Member
+105|6873|The netherlands

Clockwork-Ownage wrote:

rawls wrote:

I stand corrected. In a more careful review of your post, i failed to spot any whining. However, it does lead me to beleive you are against those who practice this technique and that is why I responded.
This statement proves without a doubt, that people who do something out of the ordinary for an advantage in-game inevitably call people who DON'T use theyre technique a whiner.

In conclusion, anyone calling you a whiner for bad mouthing bunnyhoppers, obviously is one.
not true, i dont do it myself (well, maybe total 5 hours of the 505 i played..... so thats nothing). if im getting sniped at by at least 3 enemys ill bunny. otherwise it sucks.... but its a GOOD tactic used in EVRY game when you can jump. the people who use it cant help ea made the jump the height of a person..... but otherwise they would need to make something to climb over things that arent even high.....
2006-05-17 14:57:24
xaven
Member
+25|6962|Berlin

Toxin wrote:

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

I'm a "prone whore" for trying to stay alive and kill the enemy?  Am I supposed to stand kill so you can shoot me?
  Holy Hell.  Why is it so hard to understand??  Nobody says you can't go prone, nobody says you can't mash your keyboard in a fury to run, dive, shoot, whatever.  This topic is about the people who blatently use the dolphin diving as an exploit to get kills.  Everyone does, or at least should, go prone when in a firefight.  That's beside the point.

We are talking about something that, by some, is considered an exploit.
well, it is hard to understand what you mean: I dunno how to get kills with dolphin diving. I get kills with my gun. I dive to stay alive while shooting. where is the exploit?
2006-05-17 15:20:53
Zeon.
l33t sp33k Specialist
+159|6786|Behind j00OMFG HAX, Bristol UK
This is what is right in my oppinion

You can jump to prone and THATS IT, BLOODY STAY THERE OR DIE...

I was messing when the new patch came out and you can do a sort of bunny hopping action where you prone then crouch then release crouch then prone again, hard to do yes, but there are the sad bunny hoppers in the first place that will sit at home practising this sort of thing
2006-05-20 06:37:43
TheEvilCubivore
Member
+1|6816
Hmmm, I think some of you are retarded.



Im not saying belly flopping is bad(Should be some lag on it though)

But the guy was going running speed sideways while prone and you couldn't get a headshot no matter what because his hitbox was being constantly updated.

Instead of adding crap like dropping vehicles(Very useful, i'll tell you, now it only takes 20 seconds for it drop from the sky instead of takin a 20 second jog to one nearby) they should make it so you can't jump with red bar stamina, lag on jump(No one jumps like that, Its more like a hop anyway, you have to "Wind up") and holy crap when you freaking roll on the ground why does your gun point sideways? Always found that funny.

 

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