Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6901|USA
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/ … 6287.shtml

1980 Hussein recieved the Key to Detroit and became a honorary Detroit citizen due to his monetary contributions.

I was curious if this would spark some debate as its own topic.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6953|US
Even bad people will, occasionally, do something right.  Stupid story, but kind of funny
cpt.fass2
Member
+1|6848
It's detroit Hitler would have gotten the same thing. But seriously Hussein was a strong american allie at one time, lets not forget that.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6913|Canberra, AUS
Funny. This happened with the Taliban, when oil representatives (including Dick Cheney) met with them in Texas to discuss oil pipelines.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6901|USA
Spark....could you clarify or post a link please. I don't understand. The Taliban came here and met with Cheney over oil?
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7080|Cologne, Germany

I wonder if the mayor wants that key back now.

seriously, as has been said before, Saddam was an allie of the US when it seemed to fit their agenda. He also was a valuable business partner, buying lots of stuff from american companies, including WMD, which he later used to get rid off some ethnic minorities ( namely the kurds ).

And yes, america was involved in some business deal with the taliban regime, I remember a part about it in Fahrenheit 9/11. Can't put the finger on it right now, sorry. Need to watch that movie again.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6901|USA
They had to of changed the locks by now I would think.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955

B.Schuss wrote:

I wonder if the mayor wants that key back now.

seriously, as has been said before, Saddam was an allie of the US when it seemed to fit their agenda. He also was a valuable business partner, buying lots of stuff from american companies, including WMD, which he later used to get rid off some ethnic minorities ( namely the kurds ).

And yes, america was involved in some business deal with the taliban regime, I remember a part about it in Fahrenheit 9/11. Can't put the finger on it right now, sorry. Need to watch that movie again.
yes saddam was an ally of the US before the gulf war... every evil person was once a good person in a point of view, like hitler was good to the german ppl by building highways and increasing the economy since after WW1 germany's economy was crap. America did help the taliban during the cold war since they fought w/ the russians
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6913|Canberra, AUS
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955

Spark wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
still a long time ago
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6913|Canberra, AUS

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Spark wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
still a long time ago
so................?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955

Spark wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Spark wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
still a long time ago
so................?
just saying... well ur correct though
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UON
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Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/26/iraq/main546287.shtml

1980 Hussein recieved the Key to Detroit and became a honorary Detroit citizen due to his monetary contributions.

I was curious if this would spark some debate as its own topic.
It just cracks me up that America keeps going on about Saddam's reign or terror (which they created).

Here's the US DoD definition on terrorism:

"the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."

And here's the court ruling which found that America had used unlawful violence against the state of Nicaragua:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States

So, let's compare the number of international terrorism convictions that Saddam's government had against the number the American government has:

Government of United States of America: 1
Saddam Hussein's Iraq: 0

America just said they didn't recognise the authority of the court.  Who thinks Saddam will get away with that?
Jepeto87
Member
+38|6924|Dublin
Yeah I'd been looking for that story UnOriginalNuttah, how ironic that the nation leading "The War on Terror" is the only nation ever to be charged with commiting acts of terrorism...

Last edited by Jepeto87 (2006-03-29 14:22:29)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6890|USA

Jepeto87 wrote:

Yeah I'd been looking for that story UnOriginalNuttah, how ironic that the nation leading "The War on Terror" is the only nation ever to be convicted of terrorism...
ya know I read that twice and I don't see anywhere where the US has a "conviction for commiting terrorism"

could you please point that out for me.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7076

cpt.fass2 wrote:

It's detroit Hitler would have gotten the same thing. But seriously Hussein was a strong american allie at one time, lets not forget that.
FDR and Hitler could have said the same about Joe Stalin, whets your point? You make the alliances you need based on the Particular situation or problem that arises, France was once our ally.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7076

B.Schuss wrote:

I wonder if the mayor wants that key back now.

seriously, as has been said before, Saddam was an allie of the US when it seemed to fit their agenda. He also was a valuable business partner, buying lots of stuff from american companies, including WMD, which he later used to get rid off some ethnic minorities ( namely the kurds ).

And yes, america was involved in some business deal with the taliban regime, I remember a part about it in Fahrenheit 9/11. Can't put the finger on it right now, sorry. Need to watch that movie again.
Fahrenheit 911 was not a documentary.

If you heard it referred to a such, you are mistaken,

and the Victim of Sloppy, lazy or left Wing Journalists.

If Michael Moore had ever dared or hinted that it was " All true "

He would have had his ass sued off.

You don't need to watch that movie at all.

People that can only parrot other people Opinions are dangerous.

Thank God for the Electoral College
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7016

B.Schuss wrote:

seriously, as has been said before, Saddam was an allie of the US when it seemed to fit their agenda. He also was a valuable business partner, buying lots of stuff from american companies, including WMD, which he later used to get rid off some ethnic minorities ( namely the kurds ).

And yes, america was involved in some business deal with the taliban regime, I remember a part about it in Fahrenheit 9/11. Can't put the finger on it right now, sorry. Need to watch that movie again.
So, basically the quote "I brought you into this world and I can take you out" holds true to the situation.

But remember... they didn't attack us at that time.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7045|Orlando, FL - Age 43

Horseman 77 wrote:

Fahrenheit 911 was not a documentary.

If you heard it referred to a such, you are mistaken,

and the Victim of Sloppy, lazy or left Wing Journalists.

If Michael Moore had ever dared or hinted that it was " All true "

He would have had his ass sued off.

You don't need to watch that movie at all.

People that can only parrot other people Opinions are dangerous.

Thank God for the Electoral College
Amen!
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7016

Spark wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
Dick Cheney wasn't mentioned.  How can you be sure they met with him?
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
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UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

It just cracks me up that America keeps going on about Saddam's reign or terror (which they created).
We didn't choose to kill his own population.  Watch the History Channel's documentation on Saddam.  He was a murderer before the US even knew he existed.  By 15 he had already killed his first man.  You're not too good with facts.

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Here's the US DoD definition on terrorism:

"the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."

And here's the court ruling which found that America had used unlawful violence against the state of Nicaragua:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States
By the courts logic then America should be convicted of the same 'crime(s)' by supplying the allies in ww1 and ww2.

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

So, let's compare the number of international terrorism convictions that Saddam's government had against the number the American government has:

Government of United States of America: 1
Saddam Hussein's Iraq: 0
I would imagine that 700,000+ dead kurds and shiites would argue your opinion.

Last edited by wannabe_tank_whore (2006-03-29 10:17:44)

Erkut.hv
Member
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Milosevich had his country decimated without ever being convicted of War Crimes or Terrorism. Despite many conflicting reports of the "genocide" being commited, we still bombed the shit out of Belgrade.

Or do we forget that because a diferent president was in office?
Jepeto87
Member
+38|6924|Dublin

lowing wrote:

Jepeto87 wrote:

Yeah I'd been looking for that story UnOriginalNuttah, how ironic that the nation leading "The War on Terror" is the only nation ever to be convicted of terrorism...
ya know I read that twice and I don't see anywhere where the US has a "conviction for commiting terrorism"

could you please point that out for me.
Im sorry about that I meant charged with terrorism (i fixed it now!) . I'd assume they would be convicted of the charges and thats why they vetoed it. Im not America bashing (thats done enough in these forums!). I was just pointing out something I felt was ironic!

Beside's lots of countries have commited acts of terrorism in the past, like when the Russians wiped out Afghanistan's parliament as a prelude to there invasion of the country. Even in my country people want the British goverment bought befor the EU courts over two terrorist bombings in the 70's!! And im sure there's people in Northern Ireland who would like my goverment to explain several "incidents".

Anywho sorry bout the mistake, the worlds full of hypocrits!

Cheers
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6890|USA

Jepeto87 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jepeto87 wrote:

Yeah I'd been looking for that story UnOriginalNuttah, how ironic that the nation leading "The War on Terror" is the only nation ever to be convicted of terrorism...
ya know I read that twice and I don't see anywhere where the US has a "conviction for commiting terrorism"

could you please point that out for me.
Im sorry about that I meant charged with terrorism (i fixed it now!) . I'd assume they would be convicted of the charges and thats why they vetoed it. Im not America bashing (thats done enough in these forums!). I was just pointing out something I felt was ironic!

Beside's lots of countries have commited acts of terrorism in the past, like when the Russians wiped out Afghanistan's parliament as a prelude to there invasion of the country. Even in my country people want the British goverment bought befor the EU courts over two terrorist bombings in the 70's!! And im sure there's people in Northern Ireland who would like my goverment to explain several "incidents".

Anywho sorry bout the mistake, the worlds full of hypocrits!

Cheers
Hey.hats off to you for simply admiting you mis-quoted and correcting it............Speaks well of you.......Wish I could say that for allot of others that do the same thing, on purpose, and try to pass it on. lol

thanks

Last edited by lowing (2006-03-29 18:54:33)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6913|Canberra, AUS

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

Spark wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm
Dick Cheney wasn't mentioned.  How can you be sure they met with him?
Hm?!
Oh. Whoops. Wrong oil company.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman

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