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2006-05-31 21:13:41
Darky
Hi..
+71|6939|Here.

Skruples wrote:

You can see it every day in the people who celebrate the deaths of homosexuals or soldiers, or go on TV and espouse the absolute superiority of their spiritual beliefs, or stand at abortion clinics and harass women. The evil of a few followers far outweighs the neutrality of the masses, in my mind.
I'm pretty sure you're referring to the uhm 'crazy' people from that church that said the soldiers that died whilst fighting got what they deserved and it was 'An act of God'.

Please dont lump all of us in like that. I have nothing but respect for the men and women out there risking their lives every single day so people like me are able to form and voice an opinion without threat of Governments etc. breathing down my neck.

Those people need to realise that if it wasnt for the soldiers fighting, they probably wouldnt have the freedom to do what they do.
2006-05-31 21:18:06
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|7078
That is proof of nothing slaythem. How many thousands, or millions of people have had similar medical problems and their prayer did nothing? Your situation is a fluke, a fortunate one for you, but not outside the realm of possibility or chance; especially not given our current understanding of the brain, which is where seizures originate.

Furthermore, your use of this incident as evidence of God is a classic example of attribution: someone experiences something they cannot explain, and they come to the conclusion that it is the work of a higher power, in this case God. Far be it from me to question your faith, but it boggles my mind how many otherwise intelligent people place absolute faith in a supreme being for no other reason than that belief is convenient to them.

Darky wrote:

Please dont lump all of us in like that.
I didn't lump anyone, hence the last sentence of that quote: "The evil of a few followers far outweighs the neutrality of the masses, in my mind.
2006-05-31 21:19:38
Possum61
Member
+9|7125|Philly PA USA

JimKong wrote:

Nothing says Christ like a game that rewards one for killing.
Remember its JUST  A GAME   
2006-05-31 21:20:55
Defiance
Member
+438|7048

Possum61 wrote:

JimKong wrote:

Nothing says Christ like a game that rewards one for killing.
Remember its JUST  A GAME   
Read the thread or atleast keep up with the current conversation.
2006-05-31 21:21:32
=[4th]=SlayThem
Destroy Noob Cannons
+96|7210

Defiance wrote:

I see the true evil in followers in beliefs other then "religion" because what was one of the biggest belief based murdererings (for the nit picky) in our history?

The Holocaust.

Thousands of people died, and not because of the acts of god, but because they thought jews were bad plain and simple.

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I'll make a long story short.
I've been a Christian all my life, and when I was 4 years old I was diagnosed with epilepsy. I was put on medication, and told that I would suffer with it the rest of my life. Shortly after that (my parents praying all through it) I became allergic to the medication, the doctor took me off the medication, and  I continued to have seizures. a few days later, I was laying down in church, and I began to have another seizure. I rebuked it in the name of God and I have not had a seizure since. During all that, I also had low blood platelettes, and if I had taken any type of head trauma, I could have bled to death. We went to the doctor shortly after I had my last seizure, and told him what had happened, he did some tests, and my blood platelettes had gone back to normal level, and I had been completely healed.
That is how I know that God is real. You can't tell me that it was some work of science when science had nothing to do with it.
That is the VERY short version. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone here, but you started it
Curious, grand mal seizures? And they just took you off the medications after you developed an allergy?

I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit, somethings missing. Doctors would try a different medication if you developed an allergy.
I told you it was the short version.  I would have given all the details if I wanted to make it a book. The doctor took me off the medication and said that if I continued to have seizures he'd have no choice but to put me back on it.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want. But I wouldn't make up something like this. Why would I? The fact is, HOW would I? I have a horrible imaginiation.
2006-05-31 21:22:58
Defiance
Member
+438|7048

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Defiance wrote:

I see the true evil in followers in beliefs other then "religion" because what was one of the biggest belief based murdererings (for the nit picky) in our history?

The Holocaust.

Thousands of people died, and not because of the acts of god, but because they thought jews were bad plain and simple.

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I'll make a long story short.
I've been a Christian all my life, and when I was 4 years old I was diagnosed with epilepsy. I was put on medication, and told that I would suffer with it the rest of my life. Shortly after that (my parents praying all through it) I became allergic to the medication, the doctor took me off the medication, and  I continued to have seizures. a few days later, I was laying down in church, and I began to have another seizure. I rebuked it in the name of God and I have not had a seizure since. During all that, I also had low blood platelettes, and if I had taken any type of head trauma, I could have bled to death. We went to the doctor shortly after I had my last seizure, and told him what had happened, he did some tests, and my blood platelettes had gone back to normal level, and I had been completely healed.
That is how I know that God is real. You can't tell me that it was some work of science when science had nothing to do with it.
That is the VERY short version. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone here, but you started it
Curious, grand mal seizures? And they just took you off the medications after you developed an allergy?

I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit, somethings missing. Doctors would try a different medication if you developed an allergy.
I told you it was the short version.  I would have given all the details if I wanted to make it a book. The doctor took me off the medication and said that if I continued to have seizures he'd have no choice but to put me back on it.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want. But I wouldn't make up something like this. Why would I? The fact is, HOW would I? I have a horrible imaginiation.
I'm not saying it's fake, I'm saying somethings missing for it to click, even a short version can do that.

Since you had these continuous seizures, were you put back on the medication?

Seeing as how this thread is turning out like an IM convo, I'll warn you that I have to go in seven minutes.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-05-31 21:23:31)

2006-05-31 21:30:39
=[4th]=SlayThem
Destroy Noob Cannons
+96|7210

Defiance wrote:

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Defiance wrote:

I see the true evil in followers in beliefs other then "religion" because what was one of the biggest belief based murdererings (for the nit picky) in our history?

The Holocaust.

Thousands of people died, and not because of the acts of god, but because they thought jews were bad plain and simple.


Curious, grand mal seizures? And they just took you off the medications after you developed an allergy?

I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit, somethings missing. Doctors would try a different medication if you developed an allergy.
I told you it was the short version.  I would have given all the details if I wanted to make it a book. The doctor took me off the medication and said that if I continued to have seizures he'd have no choice but to put me back on it.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want. But I wouldn't make up something like this. Why would I? The fact is, HOW would I? I have a horrible imaginiation.
I'm not saying it's fake, I'm saying somethings missing for it to click, even a short version can do that.

Since you had these continuous seizures, were you put back on the medication?

Seeing as how this thread is turning out like an IM convo, I'll warn you that I have to go in seven minutes.
I'm not going to be staying here much longer anyways. I must get some kind of gaming in tonight.

I was not put back on the medication for a couple reasons.
1. We were Trusting in God to heal me.
2. Like I said in my post, they only continued for a few days after I was taken off.

Last edited by =[4th]=SlayThem (2006-05-31 21:35:41)

2006-05-31 21:37:45
Defiance
Member
+438|7048

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I was not put back on the medication for a couple reasons.
1. We were Trusting in God to heal me.
2. Like I said in my post, they only continued for a few days after I was taken off.
Well, I'm can't say for fact that this is what happened, but I do know that alot of epilepsy medications are accumulative. If they only continued for a few days, the medicine probobly took effect after those few days.

The allergic reaction came at a bad time. Allergic reactions are not permanent (I don't think) but you don't have to be born with them. You probobly developed an allergy to it much like my girlfriend randomly developed an allergy to salmon.

But now i must go, if anyone wants to continue, I shalst check in tomorrow morning.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-05-31 21:38:23)

2006-05-31 21:42:05
=[4th]=SlayThem
Destroy Noob Cannons
+96|7210

Defiance wrote:

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I was not put back on the medication for a couple reasons.
1. We were Trusting in God to heal me.
2. Like I said in my post, they only continued for a few days after I was taken off.
Well, I'm can't say for fact that this is what happened, but I do know that alot of epilepsy medications are accumulative. If they only continued for a few days, the medicine probobly took effect after those few days.

The allergic reaction came at a bad time. Allergic reactions are not permanent (I don't think) but you don't have to be born with them. You probobly developed an allergy to it much like my girlfriend randomly developed an allergy to salmon.

But now i must go, if anyone wants to continue, I shalst check in tomorrow morning.
Medication doesn't 'fix' problems, it prevents them from happening while you're on the medication
2006-05-31 21:51:46
dubbs
Member
+105|7009|Lexington, KY
A little more on topic,

Why can't Christians play games like BF2?

They are people also, just because they believe different then you does not mean that they can not do the some things that you do.  To many people see Christians a "perfect", but they are not.  It may be different if they were Hindu or another religion that believes that violence is wrong, or that hurting any living thing is wrong.  No where in the Bible does it say that Christians should not go to war.  The Bible has an entire section, the book of Judges and Joshua, that are devoted to Israel during war times.  A lot of the Old Testament is about war. 

Do not judge Christians based on the traditional Christians that you may come in contact with everyday.  Just like there are other radical people, there are Christians that are like that.  By judging the entire religion by one person like that is like judging the entire Caucasian race based on Charles Manson, or the KKK.  Trust me not all Christians are the Bible thumping ones that you see in movies, or the few that you see in your everyday life. 

This is coming from a Christian that plays BF2, COD2, and watch war movies/TV shows.  One that watches some shows that "traditional" Christians would not, like Lord of the Rings.  (FYI: it is said that this is Tolkien's way of telling the gospel of Jesus in a different manner, just like CS Lewis did in his books.  There is a lot of foreshadowing in LotR that is similar to the Bible, for example Gandalf fights the Belrog (a demon like creature) for 3 days.) 

Oh, BTW, I live in the Bible Belt so I deal with "traditional" Christians everyday.  My in-laws will not allow their children to watch TV unless it is like Andy Griffin, or something like that.
2006-06-01 04:04:19
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|7079|New York

Bernadictus wrote:

bakarocket wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

Nothing says childish like Christians trying to force their believes on other people!

+1 and respect to those THAT DO NOT do that.
You realise that those who go into the CHRISTIAN Gamer's Online server specifically to insult Christians and break the posted rules are guilty of the same offence, right?
Correct, but I keep to the ROE rules. Not the bizar rules thought up by server (christian and NON-CHRISTIAN!) admins.
And the ROE also says that servers have the RIGHT to have other reasonable rules also. Like no foul language, and no base raping. So if YOU choose to go against these server rules, you deserve anything you get for doing so.
Its amazing, with the amount of servers out there, people go out of there way to ruin someones server just because they have an agenda. Unfucking real. Hate to say it, but this game has brought out some of the most unethical gamers in the world to its servers. Never have i seen a game with so many Ill mannered gamers in my life since Counter Strike.
2006-06-01 04:07:08
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7114

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

bakarocket wrote:


You realise that those who go into the CHRISTIAN Gamer's Online server specifically to insult Christians and break the posted rules are guilty of the same offence, right?
Correct, but I keep to the ROE rules. Not the bizar rules thought up by server (christian and NON-CHRISTIAN!) admins.
And the ROE also says that servers have the RIGHT to have other reasonable rules also. Like no foul language, and no base raping. So if YOU choose to go against these server rules, you deserve anything you get for doing so.
Its amazing, with the amount of servers out there, people go out of there way to ruin someones server just because they have an agenda. Unfucking real. Hate to say it, but this game has brought out some of the most unethical gamers in the world to its servers. Never have i seen a game with so many Ill mannered gamers in my life since Counter Strike.
"Die filthy American (When playing MEC)" or "Allahu Akbar (MEC)" got me kicked, with the most stupid reasons, that doesn't earn respect.
2006-06-01 04:48:53
Defiance
Member
+438|7048

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Medication doesn't 'fix' problems, it prevents them from happening while you're on the medication
Then I'm not sure what medication you were on. Epilepsy is curable with treatment. Or atleast can be put in a "dormant" state, and medication can often be removed.
2006-06-01 08:31:31
chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7225|"Frisco"

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

You're wrong, though.

That law is actually referring to murdering.

This is a war game. Not a murdering game.
I did a little reading up on the meaning, and from what I garnered, I am wrong. That commandment, while pretty simple in it's original form, most often takes the figurative of "Killing innocent people is a sin". In such case, neither of us is correct.


War is needed in this world to bring peace. Without war there won't be peace.
There were many wars in The Bible. Those who think that Christians are against war are not very educated in this, and should not be entering in a discussion about it.
That's an extremely distrubing and sad viewpoint.


=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

That is how I know that God is real. You can't tell me that it was some work of science when science had nothing to do with it.
You are absolutely right, science obviously can't currently explain what caused your recovery. At least, not the doctor (science of the body) that you had.

But, the fact that you nor that doctor can't/couldn't explain the recovery doesn't mean that it isn't scientifically plausible. Every single year, the domain and realm of "God's Miraculous Works" gets smaller and smaller with each passing discovery science makes.


=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Medication doesn't 'fix' problems, it prevents them from happening while you're on the medication
>.< What?!? Here, have some Penicillin.

The idea that some medicine only treats symptoms is not untrue. It's a stop gap -- chronic depression, ADD, and other types of "disfunctions" are things that science does not yet fully understand, but it can mildly treat.

However, it's patently untrue that a medicine "doest fix problems".


Where'd that OP go now?
2006-06-01 09:07:34
CMDR_Dave
Redneck
+66|7218|Missoula, MT
I think we all just need a little more cowbell...and possibly some cheese.  Can't we all just get along?  You have to admit though, it's pretty cool that we have this ability to post on topics such as this.  And it's OK to disagree.  That's what makes Democracy great.  I see lots of opinions and agree with some, disagree with others.  I mostly agree with Slay.  I disagree with Chuy somewhat.  And that's OK...because it's all done with respect.  Yes, I'm a Christian and I love BF2!!  Any questions? 
2006-06-01 09:20:27
niomosy
Member
+26|7066

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Hyper wrote:

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:


You know how easy it is to be atheist?
It's easier doubt than it is to believe and have faith in something.
But, I have seen God's works, and I don't have a doubt in my mind that He is real.
do you know how easy it is for somone to pass off something that which they can not explain as GOD?
again, nothing personal, you just happen to be the messenger so im shooting at ya
I'll make a long story short.
I've been a Christian all my life, and when I was 4 years old I was diagnosed with epilepsy. I was put on medication, and told that I would suffer with it the rest of my life. Shortly after that (my parents praying all through it) I became allergic to the medication, the doctor took me off the medication, and  I continued to have seizures. a few days later, I was laying down in church, and I began to have another seizure. I rebuked it in the name of God and I have not had a seizure since. During all that, I also had low blood platelettes, and if I had taken any type of head trauma, I could have bled to death. We went to the doctor shortly after I had my last seizure, and told him what had happened, he did some tests, and my blood platelettes had gone back to normal level, and I had been completely healed.
That is how I know that God is real. You can't tell me that it was some work of science when science had nothing to do with it.
That is the VERY short version. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone here, but you started it
Sheer fluke.  What I notice about Christians is that they praise god for everything good but don't blame him for anything bad.  What, as if you have no control over your life?

As for your situation, you were just a statistical rarity.  It's very rare that anything is 0% or 100%.  You're usually dealing with things somewhere between 1-99%.  That means there's always a chance for many things to happen, your medical improvement included.  For your story, I'll counter with my mother in law.  Diagnosed with stomach cancer.  A Christian.  She went to faith healers, went to church as much as possible, prayed, giving person and was very active in church before this.

Nothing helped.  She died before I met my wife.

So for every story out there of some miracle of god, there are hundreds of others out there that are either showing the lack of concern of god.  Or, maybe, god just doesn't exist and we're looking for someone to thank because we lack the self esteem to realize that we are at least part of the reason.
2006-06-01 09:29:12
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,989|7009|949

Darky wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

i play in the +CGO+ servers all the time.  I am an athiest.  If you are not mature enough to play in the +CGO+ server, then don't play in it.  Once your balls drop and you mature, maybe you can play in a christian server without coming up with some crude antichrist joke or a reference to nazis or Hitler.  Until then, find another server.  People do not deserve to be persecuted for their beliefs, end of story.  Prove to me God doesn't exist, and then we will talk.
Sorry to be picky, but you state you're an atheist, then say 'Prove God doesnt exist'. An atheist is someone who believes, regardless of what is going on, that God doesnt exist in any way, shape or form, yet your point of view in your post is that you believe he does and you want proof he doesnt.
I believe God doesn't exist.  But I understand that we are nowhere near proving God does or doesn't exist.  It that sense, I think everyone is agnostic.  Believing in God and knowing for a fact God exists are two seperate things.  Basically, no one can prove either way.

We have already argued the merits of praying for medical conditions, and medical miracles compared to religious miracles, so I will not go into it at all.

I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone - You will never see me go door to door, preaching my beliefs on religion.  You will never see me on a street corner with a sign proclaiming the end is near.  You will never see me at a humanitarian event trying to convert people to think along the same lines as me.  All I ask is that every other religion follows that too.  Do not tell me that I am lost because I have no belief in God.

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

You know how easy it is to be atheist?
It's easier doubt than it is to believe and have faith in something.
But, I have seen God's works, and I don't have a doubt in my mind that He is real.
I think you are severely mistaken with this statement.  I am of the belief that it is much easier to follow the masses and agree that there is a God than go against the grain and find meaning in your own life.  Instead of passing off everything that happens as, "Oh, its part of God's plan" I actually have to think about things that happen.  You have seen God's works, so you have no doubt in YOUR mind that He is real.  I have seen the lack of God, so I have no doubt in MY mind that he is not real, but a figment of YOUR mind.  You believe in god, I don't, neither of us can prove either way, so don't tell me you are 100% correct.  That is all I ask.
2006-06-01 09:55:22
niomosy
Member
+26|7066
So someone gives me a -1 for blasphemy?

Remember this about blasphemy, a saying from a friend: it's only blashphemy if I'm making fun of MY god.  If I'm making fun or YOUR god, it's monotheism
2006-06-01 11:36:12
+CGO+wFeather
Member
+2|6917
WOW 9 pages, Sweet we are famous...lol

wFeather
+CGO+ Founder
http://christiangamers.net

Last edited by +CGO+wFeather (2006-06-01 11:36:41)

2006-06-01 12:04:26
BolvisOculus
Spagett!
+167|6996|Manitowoc, WI
here is just something i heard today that seemed relevant to this thread.  It was weird and seemed completely unprovoked.  Some of you may have heard of Pascal's Bet

If you believe in God or not, it could go one of 2 ways.  If you believe and their is a God, you will go to heaven.  If you don't you just stay in the ground, nothing less nothing more.   If you don't believe, and their isn't a God, its the same thing, just nothing after you die.  but if you don't believe and their is a god you go to hell.

i had to think a little bit after i heard that one.
2006-06-01 12:08:56
=[4th]=SlayThem
Destroy Noob Cannons
+96|7210

chuyskywalker wrote:

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

Medication doesn't 'fix' problems, it prevents them from happening while you're on the medication
>.< What?!? Here, have some Penicillin.

The idea that some medicine only treats symptoms is not untrue. It's a stop gap -- chronic depression, ADD, and other types of "disfunctions" are things that science does not yet fully understand, but it can mildly treat.

However, it's patently untrue that a medicine "doest fix problems".


Where'd that OP go now?
Sorry, I guess I should have worded it better.
It was early in the morning.
I should have said
"Medication doesn't 'fix' problems such as this, it prevents them from happening while you're on the medication"
The doctor had told my family that the only way I wouldn't have seizures would be to stay on the medication. He said I would suffer with it for the rest of my life. Obviously meaning, IN MY CASE, it was incurable.
I don't believe it was by sheer coincidence that my family was crying out to God to heal me, and I was healed.



KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I am of the belief that it is much easier to follow the masses and agree that there is a God than go against the grain and find meaning in your own life.
If anything not believing in God would be following the masses.
I've found meaning in my own life. I have a purpose in life, I don't believe that we're on this earth just to live day by day doing the same old thing just to one day die. I know what I believe is truth. and that truth is in The Word of God.
You and I believe differently, so we're going to have to agree to disagree. We could go back and forth saying the same thing over and over until our fingers fall off. I'm not going to be swayed in my beliefs, and obviously neither are you.  All I can do is pray that one day you will see.
2006-06-01 12:08:56
Hyper
Banned
+154|7128

+CGO+wFeather wrote:

WOW 9 pages, Sweet we are famous...lol
dont flatter yourself there churchyboy
this thread is more about religion in general then your DS server.


you can move along now, no one here needs saving( cept bears but we got him covered)

Last edited by Hyper (2006-06-01 12:09:33)

2006-06-01 12:28:04
+CGO+wFeather
Member
+2|6917
Thanks Hyper.

I don't care what the thread is about, its that sweet +Christian Gamers Online+ title ppl keep seeing over an over and over...lol

Keep them post rolling hyper
2006-06-01 13:02:02
Toxin
Member
+8|6933

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

I know what I believe is truth. and that truth is in The Word of God.
And see, right here is where I have a problem.  It's not truth, it's your belief.  By saying it's truth you're saying that my belief....or anyone else who's belief is different....is false.  Quite the holier than thou attitude.  Nothing but hypocrytical BS.
2006-06-01 13:18:59
CTD-CaptainBuck
BLEEDING BLUE
+71|7145|Tenn
boogity boogity i am the boogy man...

religion = funny

i swear that christiangamers website is the MOST hilarious thing ive seen in a while....  you act like ur sum sanctioned version of a church or sumthin... bible study and the likes... sadddddd i tell ya...cant ya just play the damn game? and not worry about others opinions on "your" god.

if an enemy blows the commander's assests, do u pray that god helps u repair them?

 

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