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2006-03-24 17:32:21
lowing
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the primary concern with the port deal with UAE was this...............being in control of the ports gave them access to security information about the ports...no....they were not going to control security, they were just going to know what the security measures were........nobody was concerned that the company itself was bad but simply, all it took was 1 person in the company to pass on sensative information about the ports to the wrong people and all hell woulda broke loose..............

In this situation once again, Bush could never win.........If he was for the port deal, the democrats screamed bloody murder about security...........If he was against the deal, those same democrats would scream bloody murder about being prejudice........God..........I hate democrats

Last edited by lowing (2006-03-24 18:47:43)

2006-03-24 23:50:14
Major_Spittle
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who in their F****in mind would trust any Muslim company or otherwise with US security. Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.  Name one Muslim nation that publicly defends Christians, Jews, Americans, or anyone else when they are attacked, denounced, threatened, or otherwise by Muslims????  It's not racism, it is a fact.  There is a different value system in Islam than any other religion. Non beleivers are subhuman, that is why there is never any great outrage when nonbelievers are attacked by Islamic groups. How do you think all these radical clerics and governments get in charge in the Middle east????? I'll give you a clue, its because their beliefs are accepted by the Majority of people and the ones that disagree with killing of nonMuslims don't feel strongly enough about it to fight against the radicals. In virtually anyother religion people that wanted to behead nonbelivers and wage Jihad against nonMuslims would not be tolerated, let alone accepted and allowed to rule.  I am not talking about one or two examples of this happening, but EVERY Islamic country. 
And on this Point, You are retarded if you think that the war in Iraq was just about Saddam having WMDs, it was about him not complying with inspections without the US spending billions mobilizing its army and threatening him. He showed his willingness and desire to persue the weapons and use them!  He was a threat along with alot of other countries in the middle east. Now we're over there trying to keep the people like him inline and protect the US, and the world from people like Saddam.  As for the Oil, we are also protecting the worlds oil supply over there. Without stability (yes Saddam built a military and was willing to go after Saudia Arabia, Kwait, and Iran) the world economy could be crashed overnight by a war in that region.  So unless you drive a car to work that runs on the shit you talk, STFU. You can hate Bush all you want, I do, but at least be honest with yourselves and don't show the world what a pea brain you are.  Hell, Congress and the Senate were breifed on everything and they voted for war, Clinton would have done the same thing and if you look at his statements at the end of his term he knew what a threat Saddam was and warned about him.  I strongly disagree with the way the US went about the War (the most expensive way possible with a good chance of destroying the US due to the Money being spend), but the fact is that something major had to happen to show these governments that their was a price to pay if you are going to pursue weapons that can be a threat to the US. I assure you that Korea and Iran know their days are numbered as soon as troops are freed up in Iraq, unless the world allows them to get Nukes before then. 

At any rate, I give the world maybe a decade before a huge Depression sets in due to unstable oil supplies, wars, terrorist attacks, and the US's huge deficits that will crush this nation as soon as economic growth slows too much to pay the building interest on the debt that Bush has ran up.
2006-03-25 01:09:22
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS

Major_Spittle wrote:

who in their F****in mind would trust any Muslim company or otherwise with US security. Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.  Name one Muslim nation that publicly defends Christians, Jews, Americans, or anyone else when they are attacked, denounced, threatened, or otherwise by Muslims????  It's not racism, it is a fact.  There is a different value system in Islam than any other religion. Non beleivers are subhuman, that is why there is never any great outrage when nonbelievers are attacked by Islamic groups. How do you think all these radical clerics and governments get in charge in the Middle east????? I'll give you a clue, its because their beliefs are accepted by the Majority of people and the ones that disagree with killing of nonMuslims don't feel strongly enough about it to fight against the radicals. In virtually anyother religion people that wanted to behead nonbelivers and wage Jihad against nonMuslims would not be tolerated, let alone accepted and allowed to rule.  I am not talking about one or two examples of this happening, but EVERY Islamic country. 
And on this Point, You are retarded if you think that the war in Iraq was just about Saddam having WMDs, it was about him not complying with inspections without the US spending billions mobilizing its army and threatening him. He showed his willingness and desire to persue the weapons and use them!  He was a threat along with alot of other countries in the middle east. Now we're over there trying to keep the people like him inline and protect the US, and the world from people like Saddam.  As for the Oil, we are also protecting the worlds oil supply over there. Without stability (yes Saddam built a military and was willing to go after Saudia Arabia, Kwait, and Iran) the world economy could be crashed overnight by a war in that region.  So unless you drive a car to work that runs on the shit you talk, STFU. You can hate Bush all you want, I do, but at least be honest with yourselves and don't show the world what a pea brain you are.  Hell, Congress and the Senate were breifed on everything and they voted for war, Clinton would have done the same thing and if you look at his statements at the end of his term he knew what a threat Saddam was and warned about him.  I strongly disagree with the way the US went about the War (the most expensive way possible with a good chance of destroying the US due to the Money being spend), but the fact is that something major had to happen to show these governments that their was a price to pay if you are going to pursue weapons that can be a threat to the US. I assure you that Korea and Iran know their days are numbered as soon as troops are freed up in Iraq, unless the world allows them to get Nukes before then. 

At any rate, I give the world maybe a decade before a huge Depression sets in due to unstable oil supplies, wars, terrorist attacks, and the US's huge deficits that will crush this nation as soon as economic growth slows too much to pay the building interest on the debt that Bush has ran up.
I'm sure if you went out on the street and found a Muslim he'd be the person you were looking for.

10% of the US's oil comes out of that region.

The only problem with your conclusion (about Iraq justification) is that WMD was just about the ONLY justification that was used by Bush.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-03-25 01:51:30
BVC
Member
+325|6934

Major_Spittle wrote:

Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.
Like Americans, Muslims are generally quite nice people when you get to know them.  Isn't Khaled Mardam-Bey a Muslim?  You know, the guy who writes mIRC?...

Last edited by Pubic (2006-03-25 01:51:53)

2006-03-25 10:11:54
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America

Pubic wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.
Like Americans, Muslims are generally quite nice people when you get to know them.  Isn't Khaled Mardam-Bey a Muslim?  You know, the guy who writes mIRC?...
Wow, you convinced me and the world. Know Jews everywhere will start vacationing in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria....... And the Mormon Church will start knocking on door in Afganistan, Pakistan, and all those other countries.  This because you meet some Muslim in England or what not that said "hey, your alright for an infidel".
2006-03-25 10:41:41
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America
Yeah, I'm sure that Bush just wanted to throw away billions of dollars and invade a country for no reason. That's what it is all about invade a country and spend billions rebuilding it.  And there is alot more than 10% of the worlds oil comming from the Middle east, and it is the lightest oil in the world to my knowlege.  Hmmm, I guess those Arabs get all that money from selling used cars and camels.
2006-03-25 14:51:12
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS

Major_Spittle wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure that Bush just wanted to throw away billions of dollars and invade a country for no reason. That's what it is all about invade a country and spend billions rebuilding it.  And there is alot more than 10% of the worlds oil comming from the Middle east, and it is the lightest oil in the world to my knowlege.  Hmmm, I guess those Arabs get all that money from selling used cars and camels.
We're not saying he had NO reason. Hell, he had a RIGHT reason!

But instead he used the bullshit reason which every other person would stay well away from.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-03-25 16:29:47
BVC
Member
+325|6934

Major_Spittle wrote:

Wow, you convinced me and the world. Know Jews everywhere will start vacationing in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria....... And the Mormon Church will start knocking on door in Afganistan, Pakistan, and all those other countries.  This because you meet some Muslim in England or what not that said "hey, your alright for an infidel".
I've never been to England, you don't have to go there to work out what ".co.uk" means.  In fact, I actually bothered look up the guys Bio before making my post, rather than just assuming he was Muslim based on his name.  And not only have I had repeated conversations with Muslims, but I've also worked on projects with them at uni, and even socialised with them! OH MY GOD, I MUST BE A TRAITOR, BREAK OUT THE CRUISE MISSILES AND BOMB MY ARSE!!!!

That reasoning behind your opinion of Muslims, if I applied it to my opinions of various nations/religions/cultures etc, I'd be running round saying such things as:

- All germans are nazis
- All gays have AIDS
- All chinese people eat sweet & sour cat
- All blacks are criminals
- All russians are commie pinkos

And the biggie of the moment...drumroll please...
- All americans are oil thieves


But, Major_spittle, you're not an oil thief.  Misguided maybe, and you pander to stereotypes a bit, but you're certainly not an oil thief.

Last edited by Pubic (2006-03-25 16:30:19)

2006-04-21 22:51:18
Horseman 77
Banned
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Major_Spittle wrote:

who in their F****in mind would trust any Muslim company
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

There is a different value system in Islam than any other religion.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

I'll give you a clue, its because their beliefs are accepted by the Majority of people and the ones that disagree with killing of nonMuslims don't feel strongly enough about it to fight against the radicals.
Racist little tyke aint he ?
2006-04-22 00:13:25
sfg-Ice__
Member
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You know to classify all muslims as evil killing people is really way out there.  It does bother me that they follow a religon that accept killing non-believers...  Anyway, I know a few muslims who are quite nice.  Still that whole non-believer thing tends to make people keep a distance.

Also, most non-violent islamic groups say that the extremists are interpreting the koran wrong.

One of Sadams top officals admitted that they had WMDs but shipped them to (I think) Syria during and before the inspections.
2006-04-22 01:01:41
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS

Horseman 77 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

who in their F****in mind would trust any Muslim company
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

There is a different value system in Islam than any other religion.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

I'll give you a clue, its because their beliefs are accepted by the Majority of people and the ones that disagree with killing of nonMuslims don't feel strongly enough about it to fight against the radicals.
Racist little tyke aint he ?
Lol, you get a +1 for that.

Very nice.

Major_spittle, i might add,  are the 'right-wingers' that everyone seems to hate. Just because of their ignorance and their contempt. I would like Mr. Spittle to go to Jakarta and meet the millions of MUSLIMS who are living the 'infidel' lifestyle.

Last edited by Spark (2006-04-22 01:06:07)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-04-22 08:41:53
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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Spark wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

who in their F****in mind would trust any Muslim company
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

There is a different value system in Islam than any other religion.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

I'll give you a clue, its because their beliefs are accepted by the Majority of people and the ones that disagree with killing of nonMuslims don't feel strongly enough about it to fight against the radicals.
Racist little tyke aint he ?
Lol, you get a +1 for that.

Very nice.

Major_spittle, i might add,  are the 'right-wingers' that everyone seems to hate. Just because of their ignorance and their contempt. I would like Mr. Spittle to go to Jakarta and meet the millions of MUSLIMS who are living the 'infidel' lifestyle.
You ever read about what he says about hispanics
2006-04-22 09:43:55
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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The thing that bothered me about the UAE deal is that the president didn't even know about it.

As for them being allies because they allow us to have military bases in their country, I would point you to the old saying:

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
2006-04-22 11:20:01
2ndLt.Tucker
If you can read this, your already dead
+33|6922|Stillwater, Ok

sfg-Ice__ wrote:

You know to classify all muslims as evil killing people is really way out there.  It does bother me that they follow a religon that accept killing non-believers...  Anyway, I know a few muslims who are quite nice.  Still that whole non-believer thing tends to make people keep a distance.

Also, most non-violent islamic groups say that the extremists are interpreting the koran wrong.

One of Sadams top officals admitted that they had WMDs but shipped them to (I think) Syria during and before the inspections.
Wow someone who is right.  I've been to Qatar and had no problem with anyone there. They are a predominantly Islamic country and do use islamic law to rule themselves. But not once did they ever give me a weird look or even act like they hated us. And I was walking around their capital city with one of my friends.  They tolerated other religions in their country as well..you just had to respect theirs and just kinda chill while they did their prayers ever day.  Buth churches are allowed so to say every middle eastern country is evil is wrong.

The Radical countries in control are the ones who have misinterpreted the readings and twisted them around for their own personal gains.  They have their own agenda and have managed to brain wash for a large part a rather illiterate area.  Same thing happened during the crusades...most people couldn't read the bible and there fore only had the priests teachings to go off of.

As for the WMD's your right the General of the Air Force(Iraqi REGIME general) even has appeared on the Daily Show with John Stewart which is definately a liberal bush bashing show saying they were there.  His book even goes into details as to how they were smuggled into Syria. They used commercial "Flights" and filled the cabins full with their payloads.  Paperwork covers this trail up to make it look like civilian travel.  He even claimed to have seen and touched the WMD's with his own hands and remembers at every meeting with Saddam talking about how to get more WMD's.  If we had of gone in sooner we would have found more than just artillery shells capable of carrying WMD's but some of the actually barrels.  The UN slowed that process down. Also lets not forget about the UAV's they had that had way longer flight time that they were supposed to...or even more how about the medium range balistic missiles that were illegal. We had all the reason to go in.
2006-04-22 13:43:34
Major_Spittle
Banned
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Horseman 77 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

who in their F****in mind would trust any Nazi company
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Nazis can't be trusted and that any Nazi or believers of Nazism could care less if non Nazis (ie non-Arian) get kill is a Moron.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

There is a different value system in Nazism than any other political system.
Racist

Major_Spittle wrote:

I'll give you a clue, its because their beliefs are accepted by the Majority of people and the ones that disagree with killing of non-Arians don't feel strongly enough about it to fight against the radicals.
Racist little tyke aint he ?
Geee, wonder how the Nazis were allowed to become so powerful.

I'm sure some of the Nazis were nice to talk too also, but they still conformed to and supported a flawed system and in the end kept it in power as it became more and more Evil.

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2006-04-22 13:44:48)

2006-04-22 17:12:08
lowing
Banned
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Marconius wrote:

The UAE deal outrage comes from the gross anti-arabic sentiment and distrust in this country.  Though China owns Hong Kong, not every company in Hong Kong has fully switched over to Chinese policy.  Also considering that HK is one of the largest ports in the world, I'd say they are more than certified for the job.
Well gee whiz, now how could any American who isn't Muslim get so biased against muslim countries. Any idea how we would get such a negative attitude toward them? I am truely appalled.
2006-04-22 18:23:02
2ndLt.Tucker
If you can read this, your already dead
+33|6922|Stillwater, Ok
I'm not...cause most the damn Infidel hating muslims I've ran into have ended up dead....so I feel justified in a sick kinda non schalant way.  But you still shouldnt judge a group by a minorities beliefs.  Nazi's were only 10% of the the National German Society.  The case is about the same in the Middle East...the few gain power through fear and terrorism...wow is that so hard to believe?
2006-04-22 18:28:43
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS
21% of the world's population are Islamic.

So you're saying that 1.4 BILLION PEOPLE are West-hating, violence-preaching lunatics? Because that's what it sounds like.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2006-04-22 19:14:13
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6890|USA

Spark wrote:

21% of the world's population are Islamic.

So you're saying that 1.4 BILLION PEOPLE are West-hating, violence-preaching lunatics? Because that's what it sounds like.
Thats probly about right
2006-04-23 04:32:19
2ndLt.Tucker
If you can read this, your already dead
+33|6922|Stillwater, Ok
Then Iowing your not very intelligent if your thinking that. I know too many Muslims of both Sunni and Shiite beliefs that don't hate the west. Well atleast they did at first but its because they were brain washed. Alot of Iraqi people are happy that we came to free them and they are also experiencing a better lifestyle now than what they were.  So they are actually fine with us being there, granted they want us out soon so they can govern themselves which is understandable.  But its all about contact and showing that were not evil that is the key.  Give them a better lifestyle and less war and hatred and it will change.  Also go around America a little bit more and talk to the muslims about how they feel on the matter.  I think it will surprise you.  And yes I do know what I am talking about.....my best friends dad is 100% Paki and used to be a muslim until he married.  He is one of the nicest people I have ever met and he supports the war 100% right now.
2006-04-23 06:18:22
JahManRed
wank
+646|6867|IRELAND

Globalization is an American idea. So dont complain when it comes a knockin.
2006-04-23 06:35:12
lowing
Banned
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2ndLt.Tucker wrote:

Then Iowing your not very intelligent if your thinking that. I know too many Muslims of both Sunni and Shiite beliefs that don't hate the west. Well atleast they did at first but its because they were brain washed. Alot of Iraqi people are happy that we came to free them and they are also experiencing a better lifestyle now than what they were.  So they are actually fine with us being there, granted they want us out soon so they can govern themselves which is understandable.  But its all about contact and showing that were not evil that is the key.  Give them a better lifestyle and less war and hatred and it will change.  Also go around America a little bit more and talk to the muslims about how they feel on the matter.  I think it will surprise you.  And yes I do know what I am talking about.....my best friends dad is 100% Paki and used to be a muslim until he married.  He is one of the nicest people I have ever met and he supports the war 100% right now.
Well congrats to your best friends dad.

Here is a new angle, one that is seldom approached in these forums. How about THEY prove to US that THEY are not evil or crazy by stopping the rioting and murders and terrorism over a stupid cartoon? How about they renounce the killings of "infidels" or renounce the terror attacks that are going on around the world? How about they stand up against the extremist that have hijacked their so called "peace loving" religion? How about I stop seeing world wide flag burning of the countries that are fighting and dying trying to help them establish a govt. free of tyranny?

You want me to go around America and ask the Muslim community what they think? Their deafening silence about the 911 attacks proved to me what they think pal.

Last edited by lowing (2006-04-23 06:37:52)

2006-04-23 07:34:15
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6929|Tampa Bay Florida

Major_Spittle wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that Muslims can't be trusted and that any Muslim or believers of Islam could care less if non Muslims (ie infidels) get kill is a Moron.
Like Americans, Muslims are generally quite nice people when you get to know them.  Isn't Khaled Mardam-Bey a Muslim?  You know, the guy who writes mIRC?...
Wow, you convinced me and the world. Know Jews everywhere will start vacationing in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria....... And the Mormon Church will start knocking on door in Afganistan, Pakistan, and all those other countries.  This because you meet some Muslim in England or what not that said "hey, your alright for an infidel".
Actually, that's the way they think of Americans, nowadays.  Because of ignorant fucks like you.

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2006-04-23 07:57:29
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883
Iraqis love americans in general, they just hate our gov't
2006-04-23 08:01:45
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7076

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The thing that bothered me about the UAE deal is that the president didn't even know about it.

As for them being allies because they allow us to have military bases in their country, I would point you to the old saying:

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
"The thing that bothered you about it" was a Non issue.
Lots of foreign companies already work for the Port Authority.

The President doesn't need to know about minor things like that.

Now when clinton sold "over the pole ICBM guidance technology to the Chinese by using his Presidential power to transfer the Data to the Agricultural dept. because The NSA wouldn't  approve the sale.

That's important and bothersome.

After winning a 50 year cold war and Nuclear show down, we didn't need another. But clinton needed those dollars so we got the P.R.C. as a potent nuclear power.

The Port Authority Deal was the " Non issue " that politictians love.

" I am against drunk driving ! " like someone is for it !

" Pit bulls are dangerous, and should be banned  ! "  lol

" Guns that look like assualt weapons should be banned ! " add your own

 

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