dirty0513
Member
+1|6908
Well, lets put it this way I bought a semperon to overclock and used some spare computer parts to build it.
I guess I am a pussy and don't want to f-up my FX-57.
The semperon runs at 1.8 and I have gotten it to 2.05ghz wih no problems.
If I don't burn up the semperon I will overclock my FX-57.
Does anyone else have the same cpu so I can see what kind of specs they have with it?
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7013
dude... teh fx-57 is made for overclocking, just set teh fsb to 250 mhz and u might want to make the memory divider lower.

the fx-57 should do 3.2 ghz w/ no problems
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-_{MoW}_-Assasin
Member
+13|7025|Australia
buy urself a phase change cooling unit
link52787
Member
+29|6819
your cpu is fast as it is.  2.6ghz is pretty fast.
Defiance
Member
+438|6968

ThundergodTyLor wrote:

*sigh* I was just trying to prove that OC'ing can go bad.  That you need to be careful and dont OC too much.
Yeah, OCing can go bad if you put gunpowder inbetween the proc and socket.

Don't overclock an FX-57, it's fine as it is and AMDs can be finicky.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-06-25 23:11:58)

TehSeraphim
Thread Ender
+58|7021|New Hampshire
I have an Intel P4 3.0 GHz with the ASUS P4c800-E Deluxe motherboard.  I got this combo because of the jumper free configurations - it allows me to overclock the CPU via the BIOS and sets all the settings for me.  I'm currently at 3.3 ghz and stable.

If I didn't have this, I would not touch any settings.  Overclocking is very tricky, and can go very bad very fast.  Furthermore, if you damage your processor or motherboard becasue of overclocking, it will void the warranty and then you're SOL.

If you don't mind having a small puddle of gold, I would recommend reading all the literature you can find on the subject.  www.overclockers.com was the first thing that came up when I googled overclocking - that may be of some help.

Toodlez.
slo5oh
Member
+28|6958

dirty0513 wrote:

Well, lets put it this way I bought a semperon to overclock and used some spare computer parts to build it.
I guess I am a pussy and don't want to f-up my FX-57.
The semperon runs at 1.8 and I have gotten it to 2.05ghz wih no problems.
If I don't burn up the semperon I will overclock my FX-57.
Does anyone else have the same cpu so I can see what kind of specs they have with it?
Your semp 3100 should be rock solid at 2.25Ghz (250Mhz HTT) and will usually go past that even on stock cooling.  Check the "system building basic guide" sticky in this forum for my down and dirty, super short guide to OCing.
I don't know how well your fx-57 will OC.  Get a monitoring system on that thing before you even raise the HTT 1 Mhz.  Find out what temp you're hitting under a full load at stock settings first.  If it's hitting 50 or higher I'd drop the idea of OCing it.  I don't blame you for not wanting to F-up your chip.  Unless you increase the voltage there's little chance you'll hurt it by raising in 5Mhz steps.  Just be sure to use prime95 for 10 or 15 minutes between your jumps.
T0rr3nt
Member
+54|6874|Michigan

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ThundergodTyLor wrote:

This is why you dont overclock and mess up.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … mp;pl=true
u do know that video is fake and the overclocking levels were really high...
its called a joke.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7013

T0rr3nt wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ThundergodTyLor wrote:

This is why you dont overclock and mess up.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … mp;pl=true
u do know that video is fake and the overclocking levels were really high...
its called a joke.
dude... he was being serious...

overclocking is ok, i got my p4 3.0ghz to 3.6ghz w/ fsb of 240mhz
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Sheep of War
+40|6940
Intels are alot easier to overclock.

The Fx series AMDs are the most difficult chips to overclock. Make sure you know standard voltages and temps.

If you don't know what you are doing, manually set the voltage within the standard range (my FX-60 is 1.3-1.35 vcore), this will allow your chip to only operate at safe levels.

You probably won't get much of an overclock, but I'm sure you will be able to get some out of it. Don't use the ASUS AI overclocking tool, it sucks.

Read alot before you try it.

Here is a great OC forum.

www.overclock.net
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7014|Riva, MD
What will overclocking the FSB do?  How will that make it faster?  Just wanted to know because a lot of people do it and if the benefits outweigh the risks then I might try it.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7033|Salt Lake City

_j5689_ wrote:

What will overclocking the FSB do?  How will that make it faster?  Just wanted to know because a lot of people do it and if the benefits outweigh the risks then I might try it.
Your CPU speed is a combined factor of the FSB * CPU Multiplier.  There are two reasons to increase the FSB.

1. On most chips the multiplier is locked and can't be altered; on AMD chips you can decrease the multiplier, but not increase it, except for the FX series for which you pay a price premium for this capability.  Therefore, increasing the FSB is the only option to push up the speed for most processors.

2. Since the memory bus is also run at a ratio to the FSB, increasing the FSB increases the RAM, thus resulting in more memory bandwidth.

I do overclock my rig, but for some one that already has an A64 @ 2.8GHz, I would say to leave as is.  There are a few games that are CPU bound, but any more the majority (98-99%) will benefit more from a faster video card than a faster CPU.  Obviously a faster CPU can have other benefits to speed things up outside of gaming, but again, at 2.8GHz the AMD A64 is a screaming chip. 

Most people that overclock are those willing to chance buying a slower CPU to overclock it to higher speeds.  The thing is that overclocking is not guaranteed.  My philosophy on buying parts to overclock is that you buy a part that you would be happy with assuming it doesn't overclock at all.  That way, anything you get out of it is just icing on the cake.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-06-26 16:20:44)

_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7014|Riva, MD
I don't use AMD so I don't know how it would work for an Intel.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7033|Salt Lake City

_j5689_ wrote:

I don't use AMD so I don't know how it would work for an Intel.
On Intel chips you can't alter the multiplier at all, but increasing the FSB works for Intel chips just like it does for AMD chips. 

Let me give you a little overclocking lesson.

1. When AMD and Intel make CPUs they do not make them to be certain speeds.  All of the chips are manufactured exactly the same.  Once the chips are made they are speed tested to determine how fast they can run at the chip's rated VCore settings.  This is called binning.  The thing is that AMD and Intel are good at tweaking their manufacturing process.  As a result, a very large portion of the chips they make actually bin out at the upper end of their speed grades.  In order to meet demand they will take chips rated at higher speeds and bin them down to run at lower speeds.  This is what overclockers attempt to use to their advantage.

2. Some people may wonder why it is necessary to change the VCore (CPU voltage) when overclocking.  The reason isn't that the chip needs more power.  The reason this is done is because CPUs are a binary device.  Just as code is either 0 or 1, a CPU registers these as on or off states.  An off state is V0, where an on state is VCore; the voltage at which the CPU is rated to run.  As you increase the speed of the processor it has less time to determine whether it needs to be in V0 or VCore state.  When it fails to do this accurately you get errors.  Increasing the voltage increases the VCore state, thus widening the delta the CPU has to properly determine a V0 or VCore state.  Obviously this will only get you so far.  The quality of the silicon, or any flaws in the chip will also determine how far you can go before increasing the voltage no longer provides any benefit.

3. Memory dividers.  Optimally you would want to have the RAM bus and FSB at the same speed.  This reduces any latencies associated with translation that needs to occur between two busses running at different speeds.  However, it is usually the case that the FSB will go higher than the RAM can accommodate, so a divider is used.  As an example, the RAM in my computer is not capable of running at 256MHz.  As a result I must use a RAM divider.  The divider works like this.  Where the default bus speed for the CPU is 200MHz I set the RAM to run at 166MHz.  As I increase the FSB to where it is now, at 256MHz, the RAM remains in a more manageable ~208MHz.  Yes, there are some penalties for this, but the increase in CPU speed outweighs them.

You should also realize that many people are enthusiests.  They will spend extra money on motherboards and high-end RAM to overclock, with the resulting bill being larger than if they had simply bought faster parts.  It's kinda like the guy that spends megabucks suping up his car even though he doesn't race it, and the top speed limit is 75MPH.  It's a hobby, and we enjoy doing it.  Up until a short time ago I used water cooling.  Did I need to?  No, but I did it because I could.
BigglesPiP
Whirlybird Guy
+20|6845|Windermere, GB
From the Flight Simulator Comnunity: http://www.fs2004.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56097

This guy knows his stuff.
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7014|Riva, MD

BigglesPiP wrote:

From the Flight Simulator Comnunity: http://www.fs2004.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56097

This guy knows his stuff.
Guess I shouldn't OC then.  My PSU is only 200 Watts and completely stock cooling for everything.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7033|Salt Lake City

_j5689_ wrote:

BigglesPiP wrote:

From the Flight Simulator Comnunity: http://www.fs2004.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56097

This guy knows his stuff.
Guess I shouldn't OC then.  My PSU is only 200 Watts and completely stock cooling for everything.
Probably not.  Even a top of the line PSU at 200W can't really accmmodate the stresses of overclocking.  Most people overlook their power supply and think that if it has enough watts they are good to go.  This simply isn't the case.  Not all PSUs are created equal, and the wattage rating is not the end of all of what should be considered when buying one.

In the little over 11 years I've been working as a computer/network technician, I can tell you how many times I've seen cheap power supplies be the cause of stability issues.  I've even seen them kill a few components.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-06-26 18:21:36)

_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7014|Riva, MD
Who's the asshole that gave me -1 for posting that I use Intel?
BigglesPiP
Whirlybird Guy
+20|6845|Windermere, GB

_j5689_ wrote:

Who's the asshole that gave me -1 for posting that I use Intel?
Whoever they are they can eat my Pentium D's +1Ghz OC.



And yes, there is a lot more to PSUs then Whatts!
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7014|Riva, MD

BigglesPiP wrote:

_j5689_ wrote:

Who's the asshole that gave me -1 for posting that I use Intel?
Whoever they are they can eat my Pentium D's +1Ghz OC.



And yes, there is a lot more to PSUs then Whatts!
Not when the comp is a 2002 OEM.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7033|Salt Lake City

_j5689_ wrote:

Who's the asshole that gave me -1 for posting that I use Intel?
I use AMD procs, and don't recommend Intel for gaming rigs, at least until Conroe, but just giving some one a -1 karma for using Intel just shows how big of an asshat they are.
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7014|Riva, MD
I don't really have a choice as to what processor brand I can use.  I don't have a job so I can only get 478s.  This 2.2 P4 does the job pretty good for me.
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Sheep of War
+40|6940
There is no FSB for AMD chips. Alot of mobo manufactures use this term though its incorrect.

AMD uses and HTT buss or Hyper transport, not to be confused with Intels Hyperthreading technology.

I'm not motivated enough to go into great detail about it so I'm just going to recommend that you google AMD overclocking guide.

Another thing. Even seasoned OCing veterans had trouble adapting to the layout and terminology used in the 939 sli Asus mobos.

I have a A8N32-SLI, so I can tell you first had that its all jacked up. For instance, all of your memory settings are under "CPU configuration." Ironic enough, there is very few actual CPU settings under this menu. The main overclocking  is done in the Jumper Free Configuration menu.

Asus uses alot of different terms and things, but once you get the hang of it: they are amazing.

Once again, find yourself a good guide and join a good overclocking forum. Definatly learn as much as you can  before asking questions on a forum because similar to BF2S, people generally don't have any patience for laziness (as in expecting people to keep explaining it to amatures, not using search, stuff like that.)

www.overclock.net
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6946

BigglesPiP wrote:

From the Flight Simulator Comnunity: http://www.fs2004.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56097

This guy knows his stuff.
That was a really good guide actually. I have read up quite a bit on OCing, but that covered a few things I didn't know before. +1 for posting it. Unfortunatly, I have to wait till I get my Conroe chip, till I can OC, as for some reason, my computer has both the FSB and the muliplyer locked.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7033|Salt Lake City

ghettoperson wrote:

BigglesPiP wrote:

From the Flight Simulator Comnunity: http://www.fs2004.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56097

This guy knows his stuff.
That was a really good guide actually. I have read up quite a bit on OCing, but that covered a few things I didn't know before. +1 for posting it. Unfortunatly, I have to wait till I get my Conroe chip, till I can OC, as for some reason, my computer has both the FSB and the muliplyer locked.
They can't really lock the FSB.  Either your board simply lacks the BIOS options to manually adjust this, or you must change the BIOS option from Auto to Manual.

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