kakakakakaThomasMorgan wrote:
the american way isn't the only way.
also, it looks like he has the airborne ribbon. what a fag, thats like the easiest ribbon in the game.
lmao...ThomasMorgan wrote:
stfu.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I love it when people try to refer others to websites for their arguments, above all else. We all know what a monstrously reliable medium the internet is.
ntrnt = srs bsns
But on a more serious note, I've learned more from my private book collection and various local libraries than I ever have from any internet search. The net's a decent tool, but not the only one.
As for something that could be in the movie quotes thread, but fits better here:
"Don't you know the Dewey Decimal system?" -says the hero as he holds a patron off the ground by his shirt
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Soory it took so long to get back at you on this. BTW, the more I insult you, the better the quality of your posts ...anyways.Phalphalak wrote:
First of all, i would ask you to refrain of calling me peacenik. I don´t like this type of polemiks. Trying to weaken the content of what i express by applying a dismissive label to me doesn´t really show much sign of maturity. I guess that points out why it is mostly impossible to have a decent argument with such fanatics. To the likes of you favouring peace seems to be a sign of weakness nowadays. I think it´s just human rationale. But ethics seems to be the first victim when justifing violence. Why is it so hard for you to reflect about this topic like a half-way educated human being? I´ve been many times to the US and met a lot of nice and decent people. That´s why I have trouble understanding the amount of such immature posts by US-americans.Darth_Fleder wrote:
Over and over, the simple truth has to be explained to you peaceniks. This war in Iraq was not done on a whim or a moments notice. It was preceded by TWELVE years of diplomacy.
So, concerning your simple (and probably overly convenient) truth that you keep explaining to those peaceniks over and over again: Where is your explanation?
The first conflicts had nothing to do with this one. It´s a different context. And FYI, this war was based on mere lies. Where are those weapons of massdestructions that you claim to have proof of? What did Iraq have to do with terrorists or even 911? Those islamic fundamentalists were even unwelcome by Saddam because they wree a threat to his position of power. I know you don´t have any arguments to counter that but will most likely make use of polemiks again and twist my words around by splitting hair or simply insulting me again (You are thinking about it, don't you?). I know the truth hurts.What part of my opinion was it that you call uninformed again? And where is that lack of understanding of history and humand nature? It seems you are talking rather about yourself than me. Instead of coming aobut with arguments of your own to counter what I said you start to insult me. I take this as a sign that you ran out of those arguments (if you had any to start with). And as fas as my opions being strictly basd on feelings I have to say, that (a) it never hurt to show some signs of compassion and (b) I came up with arguments based on reason and thus don´t seem the accuracy of your claim. Talking of feelings: You haven´t reread your post of being reflecting about YOUR anger that you are expressing here, have you? Talking of reflecting: Isn´t it easy for you to sit back behind your computer and offer your immature opions based strictly on hatred?Darth_Fleder wrote:
It takes more guts to offer up silly or uninformed opinions because they illustrate your lack of understanding of history and human nature. What's easy is to sit back behind your computer and offer up an immature opinions based strictly upon feelings.lol? I did not mention Bush once. Putting word´s in someones mouth is another proof why it is futile arguing with you. This having been my first post here seems to be surely a weighty argument of yours as well. Is that some sort of "I was first!"-cases?Darth_Fleder wrote:
Isn't this exactly what you are doing when launch into your anit-Bush diatribes and in your first post in this topic?Phalphalak wrote:
So why bother to differentiate and deal with the complexity of a conflict when you can plain and simply unload your hate onto some stereotype villain and even feel good doing so?
Well, let's go back to your original post, shall we?
Now, let's contrast it with this statement...Phalphalak wrote:
I am sorry for this General being a polemic, uneducated and impudent moron.
Don't you see the contradiction here?Phalphalak wrote:
I don´t like this type of polemiks. Trying to weaken the content of what i express by applying a dismissive label to me doesn´t really show much sign of maturity.
Part of what I said was not meant for you, it was meant for Marconious...we have a little history arguing this topic.Phalphalak wrote:
lol? I did not mention Bush once. Putting word´s in someones mouth is another proof why it is futile arguing with you. This having been my first post here seems to be surely a weighty argument of yours as well. Is that some sort of "I was first!"-cases?
First, we had previously established that the general was not the author of the letter....pay a little attention.Phalphalak wrote:
I don't believe a french or german or other european general would have dared to write such a shallow inanity.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pitman.asp
Secondly, a backhanded attempt at America bashing? What a generation of ingrates. America and Britain only rebuilt the western portion of Germany after the madness of National Socialism and WWII. Then America sheltered you from the ravages of Stalinism, are you to young to remember what the East looked like a few short years ago? You tell me how many [color=cyan]conquered[/b] nations have ever been treated so well. The Russians were certainly not as nice. My Grandparents were appalled when they went back.
Peace is only won through strength. The longest period of relative peace in your precious Europe was during the Pax Romana. How was that enforced? The Roman army was sent to any trouble spots to enforce the peace. You and your fellow Europeans like to think that you can lecture the U.S. on how to keep peace, but you have absolutely no history of it. We here in America do not sit around plotting how we can take over the world only how to keep the peace. I too believe in having peace but not in a Neville Chamberlaininain way.Phalphalak wrote:
So, concerning your simple (and probably overly convenient) truth that you keep explaining to those peaceniks over and over again: Where is your explanation?
The first conflict had everything to do with this one. If you are interested in the refutation of the 'lies' claim, click here.Phalphalak wrote:
The first conflicts had nothing to do with this one. It´s a different context. And FYI, this war was based on mere lies.
Oh my god, this general soldier fag whatever, makes me hate america even more
That's because he's the one with the prom queen. Your post doesn't make think too highly of Swedish children either.Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
Oh my god, this general soldier fag whatever, makes me hate america even more
Ikarti wrote:
Hell I'll throw it in. I'm sorry that the Marines are raping, murdering, remorseless degenerates who have nothing to do but terrorize others, whether abroad or towards those at home who won't put up with their shit.
usmarine2005 wrote:
Nice. You are an idiot, but nice use of words.
Ikarti wrote:
Thanks for proving my point. Can't handle a bit of criticism?
How did I prove your point? Did I just rape you or something?
Hell I'll throw it in. I'm sorry that the Marines are raping, murdering, remorseless degenerates who have nothing to do but terrorize others, whether abroad or towards those at home who won't put up with their shit.
usmarine2005 wrote:
Nice. You are an idiot, but nice use of words.
Ikarti wrote:
Thanks for proving my point. Can't handle a bit of criticism?
How did I prove your point? Did I just rape you or something?
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Guys srry to be slightly off-topic but every time i check this section yall are slingin name and accusations at each other, why not attempt to be civil and have a tad bit more tact to your "debate", all this "Love America or leave it : crap is so fascist it makes me sick. If one person has an opinion its merely that !his opinion! and thats what this country is built to respect and protect , the fact that we all have an opinion an chances to voice that opinion. I aprreciate all of the debate going on due to the fact that all of you guys get to voice your opinions but really now STOP MUD SLINGING. Keep to the "facts" and "opinions" stop with the fascist my way or the highway bs! PLZ!
Please don't hate America or Americans all you cool Europeans! Not everyone is so strongly opinionated towards violence or absurdity as all the fools on here. (and i mean fool in a nice way )
Please don't hate America or Americans all you cool Europeans! Not everyone is so strongly opinionated towards violence or absurdity as all the fools on here. (and i mean fool in a nice way )
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Who is this Lt. General Asshat anyway? He is a nazi fag. Such an apology he wrote there. Now, I'm attaching to the wall my Captain America poster.
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Marconius wrote:
I'm sorry that the US stepped into the Middle East in the early 60s in order to gain control of resources.
I'm sorry that the US spent $30 billion training the same enemies that we are fighting now.
I'm sorry that 51% of americans don't understand Cause and Consequence, especially in the long run.
I'm sorry that too many Americans confuse Nationalism with Patriotism.
I'm sorry that "The American Way or the Highway" is the sentiment being spread around the world currently.
I'm sorry that so many Americans are putting their blind support into the same people who wrote and are currently enforcing the PNAC.
Go quick to a library.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Best read ever.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pitman.asp
http://www.davidstuff.com/incorrect/adams1.htm
These were posted by schmedy on the other thread. I think we should verify if the content in them is true before we continue this debate. Seems pointless to debate over a fake letter
EDIT: atleast www.snopes.com should be a rather reliable source, I've cheked a few things there in the past and they have been accurately described there.
http://www.davidstuff.com/incorrect/adams1.htm
These were posted by schmedy on the other thread. I think we should verify if the content in them is true before we continue this debate. Seems pointless to debate over a fake letter
EDIT: atleast www.snopes.com should be a rather reliable source, I've cheked a few things there in the past and they have been accurately described there.
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GREAT PIC!
It's an internet hoax.sergeriver wrote:
Who is this Lt. General Asshat anyway? He is a nazi fag. Such an apology he wrote there. Now, I'm attaching to the wall my Captain America poster.
Most of what he said is true weather you like it or not. this coming froma canadian.
And because you're a Canadian, that makes your opinion more valid than everyone elses?
no because majority of canadians hate americans. and i never said anything about it being more valid, every ones opinion matters.
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I'm dreading this but gimme a sec and I'll post this again...
No ulterior motives then huh...Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims ( Bosnia , Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait , etc.)
Why would you call for an apology from bloodthirsty maniacs? They were never supposed to be our moral equivalent for a start. Asking for an apology would be to recognise them as having moral equivalency.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.
What's your point?Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
Do they really? Would you describe Turkey as a land of squalor under a savage dictatorship? The US government seem pretty down with other dictatorships and quasi-dictatorships like those of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc. Living in Dubai must be a real drag - have you seen the shacks they have to live in? LOLLt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.
Why? Because, by and large, the US supports those leaderships?Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
That's kind of similar to the media in USA isn't it? Breeding contempt for arabs or anyone remotely arabic looking.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
Not your place to be sorry. He squandered a lot but he is a true hero to nearly all Palestinians.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
That has always puzzled me greatly. Maybe someone is pressuring them not to....Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
Important turn of phrase there: 'has to step in'. Nobody has a duty to do ANYTHING dipshit. Butt out and let them sort their own shit out.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that the U.S.A. has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.
Yeah it's a great shame that the opposing viewpoint has to be expressed sometimes. It would be far easier to have state controlled media in a totalitarian situation, wouldn't it? If the left wing media is so powerful at 'brainwashing' then how come there's a right wing party in power? LOLLt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
I am sorry the US government scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the ability to go to the shops, to have a continuous supply of running water, to have a continuous supply of electricity, to be able to go to their mosques without fear of getting blown up, etc., etc.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.
Gotta source on that. PS Iran is populated with PERSIANS, not arabs.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.
Why are you sorry? Does it remind you of 'collateral' damage during bombing raids?Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.
'Gang rape rooms'. LOL. What kind of brainwashing has this dipshit received? He's right though - why the fuck are Americans dying in a dusty fleapit thousands of miles for home, to no benefit at all.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
Yeah - you gave it your best shot but those militants are pretty good at it.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.
Well, you only have yourself to blame there, dipshit.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
That's nice. You're obviously a very intelligent man. This guy is no way a Lt. General. Show me the fucking source on this shit. If he was then that says something VERY bad about levels of maturity in the military.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
It's called intelligent guerrilla warfare dipshit. Adapt you fucking moron.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."
Yeah I loved that damn church. So famous.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.
Moral equivalency?Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!
Freedom of speech? Oh yeah - I forgot you want a totalitarian state with no freedom of speech.Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa .
Well there's plenty of dirty laundry - which you incidentally try to hide for as long as possible. The administration would have suppressed Abu Ghraib if it could - don't kid yourself.Lt.Asshat wrote:
We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
Hey man - they don't want you there! WHy don't you fuck off back home, eh? That way, EVERYBODY's happy!!!Lt.Asshat wrote:
Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.
Frankly an apology from this guy isn't worth the steam off my piss.Lt.Asshat wrote:
If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.
Chuck Pitman
Lieutenant General, USMC
Isn’t this SPAM letter OLD NEWS.
Nothing about this thread seems relevant (to me) beyond that fact (IMO).Darth_Fleder wrote:
... we had previously established that the general was not the author of the letter....pay a little attention.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pitman.asp
Just to some who look down upon every American, and ive seen some on these forums...
Personally, I don't agree with things the United States Government and Military has done, but because these things have occurred, does that mean any old ordinary American like the ones who were in the World Trade Centers, or the ones who were riding the planes, even the fucking children(there were children on those flights), deserve to be sitting in graves right now? No. They say America as a WHOLE is at fault for decisions made by people who dont even make up 5 percent of the fucking population. But no, women, children, innocent people riding those planes must suffer, when some of them (like the children) dont even know what is going on in the world. Im just saying this because it pisses the hell out of me. The soldiers as well, may not agree with the cause for being in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, but yet, they are looked upon the same way. They just do their fucking job. Yes, I know some like ones who were abusive are asshats, but not every damn soldier in the United States Military services thinks the same or acts the same. So next time you look down upon any American, this fucking thought should pop up in your head. Is it possible that they dont think the way I want them to think or I think they think???
Personally, I don't agree with things the United States Government and Military has done, but because these things have occurred, does that mean any old ordinary American like the ones who were in the World Trade Centers, or the ones who were riding the planes, even the fucking children(there were children on those flights), deserve to be sitting in graves right now? No. They say America as a WHOLE is at fault for decisions made by people who dont even make up 5 percent of the fucking population. But no, women, children, innocent people riding those planes must suffer, when some of them (like the children) dont even know what is going on in the world. Im just saying this because it pisses the hell out of me. The soldiers as well, may not agree with the cause for being in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, but yet, they are looked upon the same way. They just do their fucking job. Yes, I know some like ones who were abusive are asshats, but not every damn soldier in the United States Military services thinks the same or acts the same. So next time you look down upon any American, this fucking thought should pop up in your head. Is it possible that they dont think the way I want them to think or I think they think???
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Americans are nice ppl. Americas politics aren´t.
To say a soldier's perspective on the topic of war is NOT a realistic one is the very definition of ignorance. If it was your family murdered by those terrorists, you'd be singing a different tune indeed. You're probably the type of person that would sue McDonalds because you're fat. Don't hide being the blanket of intelligence, especially when you are criticizing a person that practices courage and honor every day.Marconius wrote:
I am sorry that this guy hasn't pulled the wool from over his eyes and looked at the big picture. He's only seeing the world from a soldier's perspective, and not from a realistic one.
Sure, you can act tough with your words, but when it comes down to it, soldiers are the one who don't stop at just words.
I am sorry that this country has so many cowards wearing masks.
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agreed, but to be a soldier you kinda have to have that perspective dont you?Marconius wrote:
I am sorry that this guy hasn't pulled the wool from over his eyes and looked at the big picture. He's only seeing the world from a soldier's perspective, and not from a realistic one.
Lt.Asshat wrote:
I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa .
I bet if I hung up signs in my home saying "The jews killed Jesus" or "I hate all minorities." You'd be the first one demanding the removal of the signs. Where the freedom of speech then? Either let that argument work both ways or don't argue that point at all.CameronPoe wrote:
Freedom of speech? Oh yeah - I forgot you want a totalitarian state with no freedom of speech.
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" I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.). "
Gulf War 1 and Kuwait are the same one arent' they?? the 'liberated' Kuwait for oil based reasons on the world market. Not to save Kuwaites.
Besides he does what he's told, I doubt anyone really blames him. It's the administration that gives direction and Bush Jr wasn't around for Bosnia and Kosovo.
Gulf War 1 and Kuwait are the same one arent' they?? the 'liberated' Kuwait for oil based reasons on the world market. Not to save Kuwaites.
Besides he does what he's told, I doubt anyone really blames him. It's the administration that gives direction and Bush Jr wasn't around for Bosnia and Kosovo.