BF2S Forums Watching gang life on TV this morning where they came from and such.

To the best of my knowledge the biggest (widespread) gang we have in Canada is the Hell's Angels, which, I believe (although I could be wrong) began in California, and even with them it isn't frequent to hear about them.  Here in Nova Scotia (that's on the eastern part of the country) the general belief is that law enforcement has (or is close) to driving them out of the province altogether.
Other than that there are little gangs that are generally isolated to the bigger cities like Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver, and I wouldn't really classify them as a gang as opposed to a clique.  There's been a lot of media coverage of violence in Toronto for the past 1.5 yrs that they (the media) usually attribute to gang disputes.
Part of this could be that because I'm not in a big city I don't hear a whole lot about it.

I believe that XIV (Fourteen) is a pretty prominent gang around Central Coast California (San Jose to Hollister, etc) and SoCal.  I haven't looked into them though.

That's definatly a good thing to hear Gun glad you got out. Can you recount some "gang" activities? Cause being from the subarbs, my take on Gangs is a bunch of poor kids fighting over nothing in the states.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

That's definatly a good thing to hear Gun glad you got out. Can you recount some "gang" activities? Cause being from the subarbs, my take on Gangs is a bunch of poor kids fighting over nothing in the states.

thats exactly what it is.  The shit that made me wanna stop being associated with that culture was the fact that Im 23 years old fresh out of 5 years service in the army and now that Im home I gotta live with moms for a couple more months, but im getting my own place.  Everyone else I know who was in with me, or still wants that lifestyle is still living with their parents working shitty jobs just so they could drink an 18 pack after work for the rest of their lives.  I just dont see how appealing that is.  And plus it makes latinos look bad in general when this is about 60 percent i wanna say of the latino population in la who has this to look forward to for the rest of their lives.  All there is to being in a gnag is how long you could get high and fuck hoes till the next time you get locked up and once you get released, repeat until you dead, in prison for a very long time or got about 8 kids and all you do is work minimum wage for 18 hours aday and the latter are the lucky ones.    I got plans man, i got ambitions and I could honestly say being in the military (go army) opened my eyes to a world I never knew existed outside of my block, in more ways than one.

Marconius wrote:

I believe that XIV (Fourteen) is a pretty prominent gang around Central Coast California (San Jose to Hollister, etc) and SoCal.  I haven't looked into them though.

I grew up around them, and Surenos.

XIV = 14 = N = Nortenos (northeners), they wear Red
XIII = Surenos (southerners) direct enemies of XIV, they wear Blue

A predominantly Mexican group. XIV members tend to be more native to the US, where XIII members tend to be newer to the country. Both groups have members all over California. I am not sure about other states. They tend to be more of just a normal street gang. No group really has specific ties to other XIV groups, unless they are allied. They are like the Hell's Angels, with various "chapters" if you will, that represent certain turfs. They will back each other up though, most of the time.

And a big congrats to Gunslinger for ending a vicious cycle. Glad to see you weren't sucked into the lifestyle. Same thing here man, I know people of exactly the same caliber man, can't get their lives together for shit.

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cpt.fass1 wrote:

So I was watching this documentary about how gangs "started" in the US and I was wondering do other countries have alot of gang problems? Now I'm talking about the "Bloods and Cripts(spl)" type problems, not the soccor"football" holligans type.

Trust, in UK you catch slug if you're not from da right endz.  Gun violence seems to be everywhere now but the gangs (crews) are usually small in size warring over control of particular estates (or endz), so as long as you know whose in control and show them due respect you will usually be alright.  It took that wanker MacIntyre ( http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread/t-21785.html http://macintyre.com/component/option,c … /Itemid,1/ ) 3 days, just metres from the roughest endz in London to find someone to rob his laptop, but trust if he'd been young, dressed in street shit, and hanging around in endz he ain't from without at least 20 mates to back him up he'd a probably just been another statistic.  Also, people tend to use shotguns, small calibre guns, knifes, swords and head  beatings/stampings alot more in UK, at least the gun laws in the U.S. mean it'll probably be quicker and alot less painful.  I'm not going to list any crews names here, but often the names are 3 letter, non numeric acronyms, with multiple meanings attached.  I could list 20+ crews with names that follow this convention, and only a couple which don't. Most of them aren't into anything more major than small scale drug supply or graffiti, and often violence arises over conflicts in these two arenas.  But trust if you turn brass and get caught out there will be no love shown by any crew and word spreads fast.

I'm glad to have as little to do with crime as possible now, just the odd spliff, which is basically legal (same category as valium or other prescription drugs) here in the UK now anyway.  I was luckier than some people I know because I got the 'high school diploma' or GCSE results as we call it which left me with more options.   Went to college, now at university, and almost 6 years of constant study later I'm just 3 months from a bachelors degree.  Beats prison anyway, and now it seems like a distant memory when I was banged up in a cell on new years eve, with my police telling my mum I would be down for up to 20 years for class A supply.  In the end I got a £150 fine and no custodial sentence (thank fuck) because they had to drop most of the charges down to possession, but it was enough to make me want to never put my family through that again.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

That's definatly a good thing to hear Gun glad you got out. Can you recount some "gang" activities? Cause being from the subarbs, my take on Gangs is a bunch of poor kids fighting over nothing in the states.

Yup, he joined the big league and now he won't be involved any gang activities anymore, like:

Murder
Torture
Rape
Turf Wars
Threatening Behaviour
Taking and Supplying Drugs
Excessive Alcohol Consumption
Sleeping with hookers / Pimping

Oh wait, according to the book Jarhead (haven't seen the film yet) they do pretty much all these things in the U.S. Marines.  I suppose this wouldn't occur in every unit, and at least there is a clear end after 5 years for most.  I hope you were as lucky as Anthony Swofford and have never had to take a human life, that must stay with you forever whether it happened while in a gang or in the army.  From what some former associates from endz have told me.

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Cougar wrote:

I'm a member of the Apple Dumpling Gang.  We go around and help old ladies cross the street and shit.

Straight gangsta up in dis shit.

Yeah, I heard about that shit that went down with the Granny Smith Crew.   ADG saw GSC with helping a biddy on a zimmer at a zebra crossing in their endz... serious ting a gwan, pastry and blood everywhere.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

LOL that shiz is wack. But seriously what do they call the thugs in the U.K. now aren't they a bit like the wiggers in the U.S.?

You have to be white and gay for that.  Most of the white/mixed race gang members would probably beat the crap out of you if you called them that.  Here gangs don't recruit based on the colour of your skin, just your for your loyalty and brutality.  Or did you think that everyone in the inner city is white in UK?  Come to endz and call Sydez a wigga and find out for yourself the quick way (p.s. don't introduce yourself as fassi or you won't get that far).

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu … d=53798706

I'm not saying I support or even know about anything that these boys claim to do, I know nothing, I won't testify, Don't Ask Me To Tell You If The Shit They Do Is Real.  All I have to say is that I hear about gang violence just as brutal as the Bloods and Crips, except being as there aren't high power assault weapons easily available so shit just takes longer.  Not that there aren't high power weapons available but those are mainly used by Y...... gangs, if you know who you know, if you don't know I'm not saying.  But even they aren't an organised collective like the Bloods or Crips, usually just smallish groups with limited links (not saying there aren't big players though), think cells and you get the idea.  And I know nothing, I know no-one, I take the Fifth.  Don't expect me to tell you about even one specific incident that you can't read about in the news.

Well, the police approach is has always been like fighting internet spam by getting the mail relays and dummy sites shut down.  Expensive and pointless, and you'll never get to the root cause of the problem like that (the root problem of spam being that there's always some mug willing to buy penis pills or penny stock).

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:

We have nothing like that here in sweden. Hells angels and bandidos were kicked out a couple of years ago. Nothing more than kids trying to act cool

Lol, did you just call the Hell's Angels kids?

Im not much of a fan of gangs.  I used to run with alil krew.   But we did that to protect ourselves in our area.  Which was once not too safe a place for white kids.    The mexicans used to beat us and jack from us. til we gathered together and pushed them out. For our safety and our familes.    Now im 24 and that shit over with for about 5+ yrs now.   The areas even cleaned up alil.   But my most like-able and ill even support them is RBG.   FAL.

haha theres even a submenu on hells-angels.se that says helsingborg my home town, looks like im screwed huh ?