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2006-03-08 20:32:46
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6912|Colorado
If it had been up to me there wouldn't be any prisoners, or a guantanamo bay, they would have been dead where they stood. The soldiers that supossedly abused them should get a medal. Put them in the same position & we would have been beheaded on an internet feed in the name of whatever they believe in.

I swear this country has become so backwards you'd give satan probation & god the death penalty.
2006-03-08 20:36:27
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6919

Major_Spittle wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

atheism
Actually I am not very athletic at all.
OMFG hahahahaahahhaaha i just spit rum and coke all over my screen hahahahahahhaah ! Thanks for the laugh !
2006-03-08 21:22:36
xanthpi
Banned
+11|6959

RAIMIUS wrote:

I really hate usupported, unsubstantiated, incomplete quotes.
So here are some of mine!

From the USC site
[22:39] Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
(I'm sure xanthpi will just call this a lie to misdirect the infidels)
Allah also states that Muslims must fight against disbelievers and that fighting is proscribed for Muslims even if they dislike it. Abrogation, dude. The peaceful verses came first, then the violent ones. Since the violent ones came afterwards, they abrogate the earlier peaceful ones. Read the thread before ye post and ye shall save time.

RAIMIUS wrote:

From xanthpi
"I will rejoice in my retardedness."

From the Bible
"Happy shall he be that taketh and smasheth thy children against the stones."
Yeah. Smashing children against stones sounds great. You bloody weirdo.

RAIMIUS wrote:

On a more serious note, xanthpi, how do you claim to know the Qur'an if it is "illegal to interpret it" ??? Are you fluent in its original language and dialect?
You're talking about translation, not interpretation.

RAIMIUS wrote:

I will now sink to a personal attack! ooohhhh!! low blow!!!
Xanthpi, nice job in owning your intelect. Oh, wait, pwning your intelect.  Bonus points for flaming, ranting, using circular logic, calling your own sources lies, spreading lies (err...unique facts), and being an ass to everyone who debates you.  GET OUT OF THE SERIOUS TALK FORUM, since you cannot debate reasonably with a cool head.
Who needs to. This is teh interwebs. We can get away with what we can get away with.

RAIMIUS wrote:

CAN WE PLEASE START TWO TOPICS OR GET BACK TO GITMO????
No.
2006-03-09 04:28:33
Friluftshund
I cnat slpel!!!
+54|6952|Norway

xanthpi wrote:

Friluftshund wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

I pwn n00bs on BF2. I pwn n00bs here.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN CHALLENGE ME?
Hehe - in your little illusion-world? probably not

Keep pwning people in BF2 all you like - hope you one day bother to wake up and smell reality...
Since you can offer no evidence that I live in an 'illusion-world' or that I cannot 'smell reality' I consider you pooned. Next!

Oh, and Norway has taken a step closer to Sharia http://www.brucebawer.com/blog.htm
I don't have to - people in here can read, so i don't have to spell it out to everyone that you can't discuss...

As far as that blog is concerned - I'm fine with you prowling the net for info to upset people, but you have to recognize that it pays off to check ones sources - especially since that blog was horribly wrong..

I'll settle for pitying you
2006-03-09 06:59:03
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:

The edit was because of a typo, but whatever.
If you really did read all of it, and still believe what you say here, then there is clearly no point in arguing with you. You must be some kind of paranoid freak for fearing the Islam like that. If you truly choose to interpret the Qur'an that way, then hell, go right ahead. Just seems mighty stupid to me. Enjoy misunderstanding / being afraid of / hating muslims. I'll just be over here, being friends with them, understanding them, and having fun with them. Cheers!
Discuss your beliefs of the peaceful religion of Islam with the cartoonist in Europe.  See if they agree with you.
So, by your definition Christianity and all it's many variations cannot be a peaceful religion because there are people who do violence in it's name.  I suggest wikipedia as a free source of information on the subject

@wannabe_tank_whore

I have read the geneva convention, I posted a link to the relevant part (third) in this very thread.  Offering a muslim p.o.w. a plate or pork or letting them starve would not be within the limits of the geneva convention, neither would any method of torture (psych or otherwise) to extract information on enemy military activity.  FYI.
That's where you haven't understood it.  They can't be labeled a POW because they aren't wearing a uniform or anything distinguishing them from a civilian.  They mingle within crowds and attack from within civilians.
2006-03-09 07:11:24
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

xanthpi wrote:

How convenient then for us that the Vatican stated last year that the Bible is not to be taken literally since is it not the word of god. Now, if only the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia would say the same about the Qur'an. Oh but he can't, because since the Qur'an is the word of god, it can never be changed. Oh well, looks like we're stuck with all the head-chopping.
Do you have a link to where the Vatican said that?
2006-03-09 07:20:01
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

RAIMIUS wrote:

I really hate usupported, unsubstantiated, incomplete quotes.
So here are some of mine!

From the USC site
[22:39] Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
(I'm sure xanthpi will just call this a lie to misdirect the infidels)

From xanthpi
"I will rejoice in my retardedness."

From the Bible
"Happy shall he be that taketh and smasheth thy children against the stones."

On a more serious note, xanthpi, how do you claim to know the Qur'an if it is "illegal to interpret it" ??? Are you fluent in its original language and dialect?
How can you know what the Bible says?  Are you fluent in Hebrew? Greek? Aramaic?
2006-03-09 07:23:29
SGT_FaceLift
Member
+5|6871|Columbia, SC
Just send em to Sam Quentin...I'll bet their list of complaints would differ..LOL
2006-03-09 07:38:14
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6888

xanthpi wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Just humour me here and reply to my questions would you? Thanks.
How about you go back and read through the thread for the answers.
You see I would do, but unfortunatly I can't be bothered to read through all your bullshit to find the answers.
2006-03-09 07:43:25
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7080|Cologne, Germany

I have yet to read the Qu'ran in its entirety, so I shall not comment on its contents right now.

I have, however, discussed this issue with xanthpi at considerable length in other threads here. I have reached the conclusion that he most likely really has read some translation of the Qu'ran ( although the Qu'ran itself should only be read in its original form, there are "authorized" translations out there, approved by the Imams ).

I have also made it clear to him that although all he is saying about Islam and the Qu'ran just might be true, I will not be afraid of all muslims or fear Islam in general personally since all muslims I know are friendly, law-abiding citizens who have never harmed me.
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yes, xanthpi, I know, these are not "real" muslims, but for the sake of the discussion, I shall call them muslims since those are the only ones I know
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I do have some trust in my government, and I believe we can deal with those who break the laws of our society just fine. Wether we will have a "clash of cultures" in the future remains to be seen.
Xanthpi will certainly argue that this war is already going on. My opinion would be that those are not nations fighting but rather isolated terrorist NGO's.

Now, back on topic.

Is gitmo legit ? I have no idea. But even if you acknowledge that those detained there are no POW's, they still deserve to be tried formally before a court of law. You should not hold people indefinetely without filing charges and allowing some kind of judiciary process ( including evaluation of evidence and some kind of defense ). That is fascist.

The "War on Terror" has led to some drastic infringements on civil rights ( aka Patriot Act ). Gitmo is simply a representation of that.

"The strong do what they will, while the weak suffer what they must"
2006-03-09 07:48:14
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6955
Every1's bitching about guantanomo bay, but they never bitch about china executing ppl for petty crimes
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2006-03-09 07:54:51
Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6911
Kill em all, I could care less what goes on down there.

They lost, deal with it.
2006-03-09 09:32:55
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|6948|Charlie One Alpha
Sorry guys but I'm going offtopic here, since I feel the need to explain to xanthpi why I keep coming back.
I said I wouldn't be taking part in the discussion anymore, and I haven't. I merely stuck around to see what other bullshit you were about to post. At some point your posts stopped pissing me off, and instead made me laugh. That made me want to put some posts of my own here, just to see what you could come up with. It's been a fun game, I must say. If you'd look carefully, you'd see that my later posts, after I said I wouldn't take part in the discussion anymore, never raised any new points. They were just a couple of links to other sources and some comments loosely related to the subject, but more specifically aimed at you. Since YOU were not the topic of discussion, I think I'm correct when I say that I did not take part in the discussion after that.
Again, I was mostly curious to see what witty reply you would make. I found most of them quite entertaining, but your sense of humour became more and more repetitive and farfetched further along.

P.s. I loved the bit about smashing children against stones, and how you had no relevent thing to say about it. Your witty rants are entertaining to read but they hardly make any points. Sorry.

On topic - Guantanamo bay, I think this has been said before, but you're either a civilian or soldier. Falling in between and having neither civil rights or POW status is bogus.
Now- if those "terrorists" commited war crimes themselves, that does not mean we can go ahead and drop them in some legal loophole to make their lives misrable. How about a fair trial, if they are guilty, make their lives misrable in a proper prison?
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
2006-03-09 09:35:43
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

Stealth42o wrote:

Kill em all, I could care less what goes on down there.

They lost, deal with it.
They only lost because of all the bunny hoppers and dolphin divers that the US has.  They want a patch to stop it and they use the media for their voice.
2006-03-09 09:44:14
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7017

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Sorry guys but I'm going offtopic here, since I feel the need to explain to xanthpi why I keep coming back.
I said I wouldn't be taking part in the discussion anymore, and I haven't. I merely stuck around to see what other bullshit you were about to post. At some point your posts stopped pissing me off, and instead made me laugh. That made me want to put some posts of my own here, just to see what you could come up with. It's been a fun game, I must say. If you'd look carefully, you'd see that my later posts, after I said I wouldn't take part in the discussion anymore, never raised any new points. They were just a couple of links to other sources and some comments loosely related to the subject, but more specifically aimed at you. Since YOU were not the topic of discussion, I think I'm correct when I say that I did not take part in the discussion after that.
Again, I was mostly curious to see what witty reply you would make. I found most of them quite entertaining, but your sense of humour became more and more repetitive and farfetched further along.

P.s. I loved the bit about smashing children against stones, and how you had no relevent thing to say about it. Your witty rants are entertaining to read but they hardly make any points. Sorry.

On topic - Guantanamo bay, I think this has been said before, but you're either a civilian or soldier. Falling in between and having neither civil rights or POW status is bogus.
Now- if those "terrorists" commited war crimes themselves, that does not mean we can go ahead and drop them in some legal loophole to make their lives misrable. How about a fair trial, if they are guilty, make their lives misrable in a proper prison?
Obviously you don't understand our legal system.  The problem lies with where to put them on trial.  Since they are wearing civilian clothes and attacking from within groups of civilians, are they civilians?   If they are soldiers then they have broken all sorts of rules of engagement by not only attacking coalition forces but have targeted civilians as well, not distinguished themselves from civilians, and don't forget fleeing to mosques for refuge.  So if they are soldiers then they are war criminals that will face the death penalty... but if you are opposed to confusing them on which way is north then you will be opposed to this as well.

BTW... why can't they figure out which way is east and west by the setting of the sun? or the stars???  Are they that stupid?
2006-03-09 09:52:07
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6891|USA

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Every1's bitching about guantanomo bay, but they never bitch about china executing ppl for petty crimes
Problem shouldn't do the crime if ya can't do the ti.....oh wait......................execution
2006-03-09 09:54:03
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|6948|Charlie One Alpha
Let them choose,

Be a soldier -and therefore a war criminal- and face whatever punishment that entails

OR

Be a civilian and be charged with (murder, attempt to murder, whatever) and face the punishment that entails.

The punishment will be severe either way.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
2006-03-09 10:17:51
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6933|San Francisco

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Every1's bitching about guantanomo bay, but they never bitch about china executing ppl for petty crimes
Well, Amnesty International deals with trying to get China to recognize more human rights, but the point is China has their policies, and America has our greatly differing policy of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.  Gitmo, although it holds our enemies, has also been used to strip US Citizens of their rights indiscriminantly.
2006-03-09 10:34:49
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America
Poor Muslim Terrorists, they just need a hug and to know that they're loved.
2006-03-09 10:42:01
ilyandor
Member
+31|6928|Phoenix, AZ
fuck ALL muslims.
there are no rational, normal, intelligent, nice muslims.
they all want to kill us 'infidels' in the name of allah.
2006-03-09 15:04:17
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6893
All I have to say after reading the pure hate and ignorance the numerous anti-muslim viewpoints there is only one word I have to say:

HOLOCAUST

You are worse than the Nazis and the Germans who did not speak out against the gassing of the Jews for comments advocating the torture/killing of People/Muslims, because you have means to educate yourself out of this repeating historic pattern, yet you choose not to.  It is only a matter of time before your hatred is formalised into a word just like when anti-semitism became the universal term for the religious and race hate against the Jewish people.  Please continue to debate how justified you are to torture Islamic prisoners in Gitmo, and I hope you never suffer the treatment you so willingly advocate.  I'm sure you will continue to believe you pwn everything you touch, regardless of what the true reality of the situation is. 

This is my last word on this thread, my views on the subject and my reasons for them have been made clear.  I'm sure I'll come across you all you genocidal maniacs pwning other threads with your superior ignorance and immaturity.
2006-03-09 15:54:24
xanthpi
Banned
+11|6959

Friluftshund wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

Friluftshund wrote:


Hehe - in your little illusion-world? probably not

Keep pwning people in BF2 all you like - hope you one day bother to wake up and smell reality...
Since you can offer no evidence that I live in an 'illusion-world' or that I cannot 'smell reality' I consider you pooned. Next!

Oh, and Norway has taken a step closer to Sharia http://www.brucebawer.com/blog.htm
I don't have to - people in here can read, so i don't have to spell it out to everyone that you can't discuss...

As far as that blog is concerned - I'm fine with you prowling the net for info to upset people, but you have to recognize that it pays off to check ones sources - especially since that blog was horribly wrong..

I'll settle for pitying you
Pity me all you like, if that's what floats your boat.
2006-03-09 16:01:07
xanthpi
Banned
+11|6959

wannabe_tank_whore wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

How convenient then for us that the Vatican stated last year that the Bible is not to be taken literally since is it not the word of god. Now, if only the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia would say the same about the Qur'an. Oh but he can't, because since the Qur'an is the word of god, it can never be changed. Oh well, looks like we're stuck with all the head-chopping.
Do you have a link to where the Vatican said that?
I can't remember now. It was posted on a few blogs back in either September, October or November. I can't remember when, either. You could try doing a search at Jihadwatch or something.

Some Cardinal was saying that the Vatican's line was that they accepted that the Bible was not the word of god, but was written by men with some level of inspiration from god.

Even when I was at school I was taught by the Reverend that the Bible was a book of fables which was intended to teach some level of morality and since it was written by men 2000 years ago, was subject to change with the times.

And that's why, although Christianity can be a pain in the ass sometimes, it's not dangerous like something unchanging like Islam.
2006-03-09 16:02:17
xanthpi
Banned
+11|6959

ghettoperson wrote:

You see I would do, but unfortunatly I can't be bothered to read through all your bullshit to find the answers.
So stay ignorant then.
2006-03-09 16:12:43
xanthpi
Banned
+11|6959

B.Schuss wrote:

I have yet to read the Qu'ran in its entirety, so I shall not comment on its contents right now.

I have, however, discussed this issue with xanthpi at considerable length in other threads here. I have reached the conclusion that he most likely really has read some translation of the Qu'ran ( although the Qu'ran itself should only be read in its original form, there are "authorized" translations out there, approved by the Imams ).
So, we should all learn Arabic before we read the Qur'an then? Hmmmmm. That's a ridiculous suggestion.


B.Schuss wrote:

I have also made it clear to him that although all he is saying about Islam and the Qu'ran just might be true, I will not be afraid of all muslims or fear Islam in general personally since all muslims I know are friendly, law-abiding citizens who have never harmed me.
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yes, xanthpi, I know, these are not "real" muslims, but for the sake of the discussion, I shall call them muslims since those are the only ones I know
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But it's essential that we differentiate between different types of people who claim to have some form of Islamic identity. How can we work with 'peaceful Muslims' if we have to lump them in with the real, infidel-hating ones?
There's nothing to be gained by refering to someone as a Muslim if they are anything but.


B.Schuss wrote:

I do have some trust in my government, and I believe we can deal with those who break the laws of our society just fine. Wether we will have a "clash of cultures" in the future remains to be seen.
We have one right now. Were you asleep during the Muhammad cartoon fiasco?


B.Schuss wrote:

Xanthpi will certainly argue that this war is already going on. My opinion would be that those are not nations fighting but rather isolated terrorist NGO's.
The war began (ie. the jihad began) right at the start of Islam and has been going on ever since, at differing intensities.

The current segment of the war started, I would say, in the 60s or 70s with the Islamic resurgence.



B.Schuss wrote:

Now, back on topic.

Is gitmo legit ? I have no idea. But even if you acknowledge that those detained there are no POW's, they still deserve to be tried formally before a court of law.
But the stakes are too high to try them to the same level which you would try a common criminal.


B.Schuss wrote:

You should not hold people indefinetely without filing charges and allowing some kind of judiciary process ( including evaluation of evidence and some kind of defense ). That is fascist.
So, the Communists and the Muslims themselves are also fascists.

B.Schuss wrote:

The "War on Terror" has led to some drastic infringements on civil rights ( aka Patriot Act ). Gitmo is simply a representation of that.
The Patriot Act is a GOOD THING. It has prevented several attacks so far and has not altered the lives of 99% of US citizens. In wartime, the rules must change.

B.Schuss wrote:

"The strong do what they will, while the weak suffer what they must"
For real. Let's be the strong ones and not submit to the Islamofascists.

PS. I wondered when you would show up

 

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