BF2S Forums Wake Island - IT EXISTS!!!

RECONDO67 wrote:

kids u better learn ur history and geography
stop surfing the web for porn and ead some books aor watch the history channel

Nomer wrote:

John-Paul wrote:

What a fucked-up thread.

Too many people seem to be confusing knowledge with intelligence. Having knowledge about a certain subject doesn't guarantee you're intelligent. Similarly, lacking knowledge about a certain subject doesn't mean you lack intelligence. This is why true IQ tests are not knowledge-based. Rather, they test cognitive capabilities so that, independent of factors such as age, the extent of one's education, etc. you can still demonstrate a very high IQ. Hell, I've got an old copy of The Guinness Book of Records that states the highest IQ ever recorded was demonstrated by a 4-year-old (210 on the Terman Index).

Well said, the exact nature of what constitutes intelligence and intellect is incredibly subjective and debatable. There are tons of nifty little quotes and theories but the fact remains that most measures of intelligence people seem to sue here or anywhere such as World War II knowledge, different IQ tests and scales, the SAT, any of that, can and have in the past been accused of things like regional bias, racism, sexism and classism.

The real problem with education in the United States is often environment and opportunity, not motivation or any lack of "intelligence".  There are stupid and lazy/unmotivated people everywhere, but that does not mean that someone who lacks a certain piece of knowledge or is "uneducated" is one of those things.  My guess would be that in Australia in World War II they focus on major battles and then stuff that pertains to them more like the coast watchers and a little about their leaders and maybe my namesake (not Nomer). 

We attacked OP without knowing or taking into account relevant factors like location or age or if he'd played bf1942.  That being said there was a time where everyone where everyone here didn't know just about everything they now know.  From the incredibly important (like walking and talking) to the relatively unimportant (like American history topics such as Molly Pitcher or minor battles) there was a time when we had no knowledge of or clue how to do what we have since learned(with a few exceptions i.e. things that are involuntary or instinctual and not really knowledge). 

Also, for all the internet dick-wagging in here I don't believe many people have mentioned the main reason that people remember Wake Island other than the fact that some Marines put up a hell of a fight while outnumbered and outgunned there.  The Japanese officer in control ordered the execution of the American POW's there (I can't say 'the Japanese executed' because it is too simplistic and people would start hating the Japanese for something done over 60 years ago) and obviously in doing so went against the Geneva Code and just about every international law in existence.  The Japanese leader on the island was tried for war crimes and executed and his chief subordinate was sentenced to life.  Does anyone know if the famous rock engraving/makeshift tombstone appears in either version of the map, I haven't thought to look until this thread (it will have I believe the date of the slaughter and 98 for the number killed on that day and mark the location of the atrocity)?

spacepelle wrote:

Terrible_chester wrote:

you little bitches and your anti-american bullshit make me sick. Especially those of you who are american. pussy fucktards.

the whole point of this is that you would -think- in a fucking war game forum that it would be common knowledge that all the maps in this war game are based around real places...that was part of the appeal of it for me. but all you bitch made america haters want to make it about americans thinking there parts in WW2 are the most important (never mind that they WERE the most important you fucks) when that isnt even what its about.

i hate you.

I2elik wrote:

ComradeWho wrote:

I2elik wrote:

Congratulations! You have been promoted to smacktard status.

Yes. it is a real map, it's obvious, it was in BF1942, so it HAD to be real, like all the other maps that came with it, whoever said Wake Island wasn't real should be hogtied in a basement in Siberia and left there.

there's no more reason for a person living in Sydney Australia to be aware of this minimal event in United States/Japanese military history any more than there's a reason for me to know about anything that the Australians did.  It strikes of ethnocentricity to be offended by and demean somebody who's neither Japanese or a United States citizen who just learned of this. There's no reason for the battle of Wake to be taught outside of a US History or History of WW2 course - why would it be in standard Australian textbooks?

Let me get this straight, you're saying that there is very little chance of a non Japanese or American citizen of learning about Wake Island?

That's downright ignorance. First of all, anyone who payed even the slightest attention to the plane wreckage, you'd know it's a bunch of Mitsubishi Zeros, even moreso if you ever played 1942, it was a minor battle compared to Midway or Iwo Jima, Coral Sea etc. but it's been freaking well known for a while that Wake Island is a real place. Who are you to say that Australians don't learn about the Pacific campaign? We were freaking in it, and very paranoid about an invasion, and at one time bombed at Darwin a fair amount of times, as well as being attacked in Sydney, not very major damage, but nonetheless.

I suggest you take a look at an atlas some time, look at the big island south of Asia, see it? It's called Australia! See where it is? Oh wow, the pacific/indian ocean..whodathunkit.

Last edited by StickyBombs (2006-03-05 09:54:07)

kessel! wrote:

gulf of oman is real too.

vjs wrote:

Yeah like the Canadians would ever burn down the Whitehouse.

EA just makes stuff up based upon real world events and locations. Why not start with something that's known and twist it.  Isn't it easier to code an existing pre-exisitng map and battle, then start the entire idea from scratch.

So did the canadians burn down the white houe? Where was it located? Were they ever at war with one another? If so who were the supporting forces, why, and what were their reasons?

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BTW, these questions were pointed towards those who said "give me a break, you have got to be kidding etc."

Adonlude wrote:

To the Poster: Thank you, I didn't know Wake was real and I enjoyed reading the encyclopedia link. I learned something new.

To all those flaming the poster: As a practicing degree holding engineer I consider myself somewhat educated but history is not where I focus my attention. Obviously the same doesn't go for some of you. To those of you who feel the need to dazzle us with your intellect I suggest you put down your thesaurus, speak in the common tounge, and remember that this is merely a video game forum.

Dogfood Enforcer wrote:

if you didnt know that Wake Island was real then you are officially retarded, or totally uninterested in the history of war and thus shouldnt waste their time on this game.

DasCapital wrote:

Agent_zero is right: we play a video game! This does not give us any right to pass comment on the real events on Wake Island in WW2.

I suggest that ComradeWho et al pull their heads in and take their bullshit theories elsewhere.

Just my $0.02

Last edited by ComradeWho (2006-03-08 12:06:37)