I think it was all staged!
Right, because I said that where? My point is that people go on about how the US Government couldn't *possibly* kill that many people, but in the grand scheme of thinks it isn't actually that many.lowing wrote:
Gee, I think I could accept my children being killed in an accident( except drunk driving ) or dying of cancer or some other natural death.....Murder on the other hand is a far bigger pill to try and swallow. I guess what you are saying having your daughter die from rape and torture is the same as dying naturally. C'mon Bubbalo get real
Right here ------------>Bubbalo wrote...."Popularity? An excuse to go to war? In the long run, they didn't need a big reason. I hate to say it but 3000 (official death toll is 2996, IIRC), is nothing, about 1/5th of the yearly road toll, I believe."Bubbalo wrote:
Right, because I said that where? My point is that people go on about how the US Government couldn't *possibly* kill that many people, but in the grand scheme of thinks it isn't actually that many.lowing wrote:
Gee, I think I could accept my children being killed in an accident( except drunk driving ) or dying of cancer or some other natural death.....Murder on the other hand is a far bigger pill to try and swallow. I guess what you are saying having your daughter die from rape and torture is the same as dying naturally. C'mon Bubbalo get real
I took form this statement that you feel like 3000 deaths from terrorism is nothing to be shocked over, because that number of deaths is "about 1/5 of the yearly road toll". Implying that deaths are deaths and how you died isn't what really matters.
I think this is exactly what you meant, since as you say, you "hate to say it."
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No, my point was that the argument that the scale of 9/11 was too huge for the American government to contemplate is wrong, because it was actually quite small in scale, and the wide ranging effects of those deaths are few.
I think a tribe of dinosaurs is controlling everything from a secret location on the moon.
Ok but I disagree about the "wide ranging effects" of those deaths being small.Bubbalo wrote:
No, my point was that the argument that the scale of 9/11 was too huge for the American government to contemplate is wrong, because it was actually quite small in scale, and the wide ranging effects of those deaths are few.
I think it is the modern example of the "Shot heard 'round the world" in its effects on all of our futures.
Oh and not that I really care about karma...(lol ask unorginalnuttah, he is the master of - karmaing my ass:D ) I wasn't the one that gave you the negative...If or when I do I will sign my name to it.
Might as well, it is just as thought out as any other theory posted. LOLVolatile_Squirrel wrote:
I think a tribe of dinosaurs is controlling everything from a secret location on the moon.
Uh-huh. Because we have what evidence to back that theory up? Fact is regardless of what you believe there is evidence to back it up.
JUST AS A SIDE NOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I found this funny. I got like -5 karma from ppl saying like:
Unpatriotic fuck
Go back to school
Fucking off and etc...
and like yeah w/e. I don't care.
I found this funny. I got like -5 karma from ppl saying like:
Unpatriotic fuck
Go back to school
Fucking off and etc...
and like yeah w/e. I don't care.
you people sayin everyone is stupid to say ur president cud do somethin like that need to get out in the real world.
"evil" is all around us, what makes ur government the good guys?
as far as i know USA is the only country to ever launch the devastating nuke at people.
2000 lives isnt that much in theese terms.
througout history governments have done way worse than that to suit their interests.
im not sayin it is, but im saying dont just follow, stop and think every now and then, and learn to criticize
"evil" is all around us, what makes ur government the good guys?
as far as i know USA is the only country to ever launch the devastating nuke at people.
2000 lives isnt that much in theese terms.
througout history governments have done way worse than that to suit their interests.
im not sayin it is, but im saying dont just follow, stop and think every now and then, and learn to criticize
That would explain why the flag on the moon is blowing - those dinosaurs sure need some Mylanta!Volatile_Squirrel wrote:
I think a tribe of dinosaurs is controlling everything from a secret location on the moon.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Well if there is evidence to back it up, maybe you can answer what Marconius won't touch............If the plane DIDN'T hit the pentagon, as you guys insist, what happened to it then? Where did the passengers go? 'Cuz they sure as hell didn't show up for supper that night. If it didn't make it to its destination or an alternate, then it crashed. Where is the explosion from THAT crash. I think, if you are going to dream up a conspiracy theory and say this never happened, then you should have your puzzle put together to show the world what DID happen. FORCING puzzle pieces together does not build facts.Bubbalo wrote:
Uh-huh. Because we have what evidence to back that theory up? Fact is regardless of what you believe there is evidence to back it up.
the funny thing is, if all of this happened on Clinton's watch the same exact way. You or unorginalnuttcase or Marconius wouldn't be posting any conspiracy theories at all. People like you are not interested in anything except discrediting the president and will take whatever jabs you can, no matter how low. It is transparant and therefore a slanted point of view with no objectivity what so ever, which makes it unreliable.
+1 for you sir! I'd actually give you +20 if I could...lowing wrote:
Well if there is evidence to back it up, maybe you can answer what Marconius won't touch............If the plane DIDN'T hit the pentagon, as you guys insist, what happened to it then? Where did the passengers go? 'Cuz they sure as hell didn't show up for supper that night. If it didn't make it to its destination or an alternate, then it crashed. Where is the explosion from THAT crash. I think, if you are going to dream up a conspiracy theory and say this never happened, then you should have your puzzle put together to show the world what DID happen. FORCING puzzle pieces together does not build facts.
the funny thing is, if all of this happened on Clinton's watch the same exact way. You or unorginalnuttcase or Marconius wouldn't be posting any conspiracy theories at all. People like you are not interested in anything except discrediting the president and will take whatever jabs you can, no matter how low. It is transparant and therefore a slanted point of view with no objectivity what so ever, which makes it unreliable.
Actually, there are well known allegations of government foreknowledge/involvement in the first WTC bombing which happened on Clinton's watch. Surely you were aware of that? And I've said so in another thread ( http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=234216#p234216 ), so yet again your allegations are completely unfounded.lowing wrote:
the funny thing is, if all of this happened on Clinton's watch the same exact way. You or unorginalnuttcase or Marconius wouldn't be posting any conspiracy theories at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_WTC_Bombing
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I've always said that I think it probably was the same jet. I've also said that there isn't enough evidence to conclusively prove that it was or wasn't. And I've also said I think it's pointless for people like you to try and disprove the "it wasn't a jet" theory because it doesn't prove anything about who was responsible for the incident at the Pentagon unless it wasn't the plane in question. I.E., proving it was flight 77 doesn't prove that it wasn't a government sanctioned conspiracy.lowing wrote:
Well if there is evidence to back it up, maybe you can answer what Marconius won't touch............If the plane DIDN'T hit the pentagon, as you guys insist, what happened to it then?
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I'm Jack Bauer. I can personally tell you that no, it wasn't staged.
We are on page 21 of this thread. Page 21 of a thread of countless postings in a ton of threads covering this issue. You link a post in a thread called "Loose Change" which, in half a sentence, you hint to the belief that the first WTC bombing was also a conspiracy. Are you really trying to convince me that you have no bias against this administration based on this half sentence? Why do you not attack Clinton's administration with the same zeal you attack this one, if you really believe Clinton is a major conspirator?UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Actually, there are well known allegations of government foreknowledge/involvement in the first WTC bombing which happened on Clinton's watch. Surely you were aware of that? And I've said so in another thread ( http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=234216#p234216 ), so yet again your allegations are completely unfounded.lowing wrote:
the funny thing is, if all of this happened on Clinton's watch the same exact way. You or unorginalnuttcase or Marconius wouldn't be posting any conspiracy theories at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_WTC_Bombing
EDIT:I've always said that I think it probably was the same jet. I've also said that there isn't enough evidence to conclusively prove that it was or wasn't. And I've also said I think it's pointless for people like you to try and disprove the "it wasn't a jet" theory because it doesn't prove anything about who was responsible for the incident at the Pentagon unless it wasn't the plane in question. I.E., proving it was flight 77 doesn't prove that it wasn't a government sanctioned conspiracy.lowing wrote:
Well if there is evidence to back it up, maybe you can answer what Marconius won't touch............If the plane DIDN'T hit the pentagon, as you guys insist, what happened to it then?
A) I've got plenty to say about alot of the stuff that Clinton did. But that's not what this thread is about.lowing wrote:
We are on page 21 of this thread. Page 21 of a thread of countless postings in a ton of threads covering this issue. You link a post in a thread called "Loose Change" which, in half a sentence, you hint to the belief that the first WTC bombing was also a conspiracy. Are you really trying to convince me that you have no bias against this administration based on this half sentence? Why do you not attack Clinton's administration with the same zeal you attack this one, if you really believe Clinton is a major conspirator?
B) Everyone is biased, including you. But suggesting this is only even being discussed because of some vendetta against dubya is naive to say the least.
C) I wasn't trying to prove that I'm not biased, just that the statement "the funny thing is, if all of this happened on Clinton's watch the same exact way. You or unorginalnuttcase or Marconius wouldn't be posting any conspiracy theories at all" was yet more of your BS. If you think I only let people I like get away with murder, then you haven't learned anything about me from my posts. And FYI I doubt Bush would have known about the plot in advance.
D) Give it up. Your attitude has stunk from the very first reply you ever gave to one of my posts where you called me an 'bonified idiot' (how ironic that you can't even spell bona-fide). If you can't respect other people's views and their right to hold them, then please do everyone a favour and get out of the serious debate forum.
I respect anybodies views on any issue as long as they contributed to the defense of the rights and freedoms that we have, to hold different opinions. Which clearly counts you out!! That, above all, is why I hold you or your opinions with very little regard. you stand on the shoulders of the very govt. that defends your right to rant about how sinister they are.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
A) I've got plenty to say about alot of the stuff that Clinton did. But that's not what this thread is about.lowing wrote:
We are on page 21 of this thread. Page 21 of a thread of countless postings in a ton of threads covering this issue. You link a post in a thread called "Loose Change" which, in half a sentence, you hint to the belief that the first WTC bombing was also a conspiracy. Are you really trying to convince me that you have no bias against this administration based on this half sentence? Why do you not attack Clinton's administration with the same zeal you attack this one, if you really believe Clinton is a major conspirator?
B) Everyone is biased, including you. But suggesting this is only even being discussed because of some vendetta against dubya is naive to say the least.
C) I wasn't trying to prove that I'm not biased, just that the statement "the funny thing is, if all of this happened on Clinton's watch the same exact way. You or unorginalnuttcase or Marconius wouldn't be posting any conspiracy theories at all" was yet more of your BS. If you think I only let people I like get away with murder, then you haven't learned anything about me from my posts. And FYI I doubt Bush would have known about the plot in advance.
D) Give it up. Your attitude has stunk from the very first reply you ever gave to one of my posts where you called me an 'bonified idiot' (how ironic that you can't even spell bona-fide). If you can't respect other people's views and their right to hold them, then please do everyone a favour and get out of the serious debate forum.
As far as my spelling, nope, I wasn't sure how ya spelled "bona-fide" but I thought I could make my point without spell checker. I will bet you 10 bucks that before you corrected me about the spelling, you went to spell checker and made DAMN SURE you yourself was spelling it correctly.
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Just noticed Loose Change 2nd Edition is the number one on google video.
http://video.google.com/videoranking
Not suprising considering the other shit that is in the chart, I suppose. Let's hope it'll get to number one in the 'real' charts one day.
http://video.google.com/videoranking
Not suprising considering the other shit that is in the chart, I suppose. Let's hope it'll get to number one in the 'real' charts one day.
God, you are undoubtedly a freaking moron. There is no evidence that the planes that crashed into the WTC were not civilian planes, and the Pentagon was not attacked by a missle. How could it be attacked by a missle if the only militar aircraft had no ordinance on them, and there are no missle sites on the ground to do that, no place anywhere near D.C that could have lauched them, and if you watch the footage from the original Pentagon on 9/11 you would see that there was infact debris everywhere. This video was obviously changed and edited. God damn you are an idiot if you really think that. You need to be visiting sites that are not all left wing homosRathji wrote:
For the most part here I am just repeating stuff as I understand it from the video (and another one made by this crackpot Alex Jones). Personally I don't know where I stand other then to say that something isn't right here.
The basic conspiracy theory is that the Skull and Bones secret society (which apparently is part of, or linked to the worldwide Illuminata organization aka Masons) used thier clout to get one of thier members in as president (Kerry and Clinton are members as well as Bush), and pulled 9/11 off so they could pass the Patriot Act. Also, some claim that this is all a pretense for establishing a 'New World Order', which is pretty much a facist big brother type thing.
Even though Bin Laden was blamed, and he had full knowledge he would be blamed. It has long been known that he had strong ties to the CIA. The war in Afganistan was a smoke screen, since most of members of Bin Ladens organization (including him) were evacuated by Americans when the fighting began.
There is some evidence which suggests that the planes which crashed were not civilian airliners, but military planes or in the case of the Pentagon a missle. Lack of debris, or parts of plane engines which could not possibly be civilian planes are often cited. Also 9 (I think) of the terrorists who were supposed to be on the planes when they crashed are actually still alive.
Now most of that stuff I don't believe, I mean if these jets with all these civilians in them were not the planes that crashed in these locations. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM? They don't just take a plane full of random people and make it disappear.
There is some evidence that cannot be denied:
- Many people in the WTC were warned not to go to work that day
- One Israelli IM company recieved a Text Message which warned them to leave the building about 4 hours before the attack.
- George Bush's brother, who was in charge of security at the WTC, was replaced on Sept 10, his replacement, who had some politcal fallout with President Bush started on Sept 11.
- The joint chiefs were scheduled to hold a meeting in the WTC on Sept 11, but had thier plans changed.
- Several prominant politicans were warned not to fly to NYC for several days before the attack.
- The owner of all the WTC buildings stated in a televised interview that WTC 7 did not collapse from fire, but was brought down by demolition charges.
The bottom line is, you CANNOT deny that some influential Americans knew this was going to happen. Who those people were, and what thier intentions were will not be known for a long time, most likely not in any of our lifetimes.
As for all the bullshit about Illuminata, New World Order, and the establishing of a 'Big Brother' state, personally I think someone has been smoking too much crack.
I watched that whole video. Check this site out and then see if you still believe it.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
And here I thought Bin Laden claimed he wasn't behind 9/11...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/ … 8914.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/ … 8914.shtml
Well, unless this tape was fabricated (which I am sure someone will claim), Bin Laden obviously states the Al Qaida was behind the attacks on 9/11."I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers, and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It's been officially stated yet people dont care. Everyone's like "Oh well, can't quit now...". Hook. Line. Sinker.xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:
you guys didn't even watch the video. fact is, if it was staged then we're following an unjust cause in this war
*Oh, remember all those WMDs Rummy said he knew exactly where they were? And what about the "imminent threat"?
P.S. How many Contards voted for Bush because he was gonna end gay marriage and abortion?
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As much as I really enjoy Conspiracy Theories, I dont think this one will be solved, they never do.
i've seen a video similar to this, just not so damn long.
The only true fact the video mentioned were the burn temp of jet fuel, and the melting points of the WTC tower's building mateials.
Also, at 3 minutes, 29 seconds in, it says something about a report in Sept. 2000, but the date on the document says June 3, 1999. (sorry, just watching some of it now.)
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Also, why did the towers start crumbling from the very top, and not from where the planes hit?
The only true fact the video mentioned were the burn temp of jet fuel, and the melting points of the WTC tower's building mateials.
Also, at 3 minutes, 29 seconds in, it says something about a report in Sept. 2000, but the date on the document says June 3, 1999. (sorry, just watching some of it now.)
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Also, why did the towers start crumbling from the very top, and not from where the planes hit?
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