BF2S Forums 9/11 all staged?

To all of the people that watched the videos and read the documents in this thread, I hope it raised at least a few questions in your mind. That is the point of these websites and movies, to get people to ask questions, especially to yourselves. And to my knowledge, nobody is doing any of  this to take anything away from the victims that died that day, or playdown their tragic deaths.  Do the research, watch the videos, check sources of information and form your own opinion. I just ask that people don't be afraid to do these things for fear of being called stupid, or crazy ,or labeled as anti American by other people. That is what they want. I admit that nobody has solid proof that there is a cover up here. But from all the scientific evidence, the eye witness accounts, and the ammount of information being withheld by our government, you can't really say that there is proof that there ISN'T a coverup.

Last edited by Ziggy_79x (2006-02-28 21:31:01)

xanthpi wrote:

Ziggy_79x wrote:

To all of the people that watched the videos and read the documents in this thread, I hope it raised at least a few questions in your mind. That is the point of these websites and movies, to get people to ask questions, especially to yourselves. And to my knowledge, nobody is doing any of  this to take anything away from the victims that died that day, or playdown their tragic deaths.  Do the research, watch the videos, check sources of information and form your own opinion. I just ask that people don't be afraid to do these things for fear of being called stupid, or crazy ,or labeled as anti American by other people. That is what they want. I admit that nobody has solid proof that there is a cover up here. But from all the scientific evidence, the eye witness accounts, and the ammount of information being withheld by our government, you can't really say that there is proof that there ISN'T a coverup.

Osama bin Laden just rang me and asked if I would pass on his thanks for believing the propaganda put out by his organisation and their supporters in the West, in order to cause simple minded people to be more doubtful of and less loyal to their own governments, therefore making his job all the more easy.


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Just have to point out that i dont belive that the Bush administration had anything to do with the WTC. However history tells us that there is no problem for someone to give orders to kill fellow citizens or overthrow gouverment. Why must it be CIA, could be 1 of the other 60. Anyone remember "SeaSpray" ( joint CIA and Military) back in the 80s, who did some strange sht down in latin america? The senate later found out about it and shut it down since it broke all damn law there is, national and international.

Secret wars goes on everyday and only those giving/making up the orders and those fallowing it, knows about it.

xRay_swe wrote:

xRay_swe wrote:

Hi!
I have a question. Why are we arguing about if the towers collapsed from the planes or some explosives?

Shouldn't this thread be about if it all was done by terrorists or by the us government? I mean, if all this has been done by terrorists, and we assume that the towers collapsed from explosives, why didn't the terrorists make them collapse only by using explosives. Do you get what i mean? Or the other way around, if all was done by the government why didn't they only use explosives? If the intended to frighten the people, perhaps its more effective when they crash planes into the buildings?

Lets get back to that if it was done by the us or terrorists and so on and why and what and...

I mean that its really not important if they collapsed from the planes or not. The intrestng question is who and why it was done. And if there were explosives that made the buildings collapse, why they still used planes no matter if it was done by terrorists or the government. Hop you get what I mean.

Can someone plz answer my questions. Tell me what you thinka bout what I wrote!

You need to read a book called "Charlie's war" by Greorge Crile . It's abook about a Congressman from Texas who busted his ass for years to convince the US senate that we needed to supply the Afghans with stinger missles to fend off the Russian Airforce killing poeple by the thousands with the Hind-24D . You have no diea what this man did and all the bullshit he went through to get things done to secretly give aid to Afghanistan without the Russians knowing , risking war with Russia . It basically explains why Osama Bin Laden got all pissy with the US .
Basically it all came down to this . The very moment Russia claimed "victory" in the ten year old war with Afghanistan and the last general walked over the last bridge out of Afghanistan in cellebration all fucking hell broke loose again . The Northern allience and the Taliban went to civil war imidiately and things went right back to " normal " . We still had plans of celebration ourselves . This congressman was going to personally congradulate the Muhajudeen warriors and have a big ass parade in Pakistan and continue aid to help rebuild the country . Well all thoes plans were tossed aside when the Taliban started taking over the country . They were now killing every body for control . 40,000 people in just a few months . Then they started attacking the UN convoys with relief supplies . Then they started razing the UN storaege facilities . Basically the whole country was in a civil war and the US warned that if it doesn't stop all aid will be cut off . Sure as shit everything was cut off . And we got blamed for it - nice huh ? Months later the Taliban are in control of 90% of Afghanistan . On a side note : For all you idiots who say we "created" the Taliban - go fuck yourselves , they are savage animals and we have nothing to do how people act after 10 solid years of war .
Few years later Iraq attacks Quwait . Osama Bin Laden steps up to the plate and wants to help out his fellow muslims . Saudi Arabia just laughed at him and called for the USA to help out instead .They knew it would take lil Osama and his rag tag POS Army 15 years to kick Saddam out of Quwait .  And this right here is why the poor lil bastard Osama got all pissy . We stole the glory of the battle field from him and to put salt on the wound infidels are on holy soil setting up for war . Well what else could piss off a lil rich kid running around playing soldier . This is why Osama hates the US . Infidels took the glory of the battle feild away from him . Oh and the fact that his father wispered some shit in his ear that he was the chosen one to fight the infidel and a whole bunch of other crap - IE brainwashing his ass in mud hut with his nose in a book 24/7 . Months later Osama was kicked out of his homeland for making a black market and supply line for weapons and ammunition - to where and what reason I forget but they gave him the boot . His very own mother land kicked him out of his own country for breaking laws - he was considered a criminal . Considering who his father was they spared him jail and kicked him out of the country . He went back to Afghanistan to hook up with his Taliban buddies once again .
This is the why . The how ? They flew planes into the buildings bro . That's it . We have been putting up with terroism for well over 12 years now . After 9/11 the gloves came off and it's ass whooping time . Now bear this in mind . The CIA and FBI blew off every warning from every country about the possibility of the 9/11 attacks . And what happened ? We got fucked up in the worst way we ever dreamed possible . Now with that in mind you have Britan , france and Russia secret services telling us Iraq has plans to attack the US with WMD . Is it really so out of place to assume that if we don't take action we might wind up with another 9/11 on our hands ? Do you think the CIA and FBI want to bear the resposibility of failing the US and it citizens again ?
So we went to war . Not by suprise like good 'ol wars went . First we had to ask permission from the worthless UN . While they have thier thumbs up thier ass we grew impatient and started massing troops in Saudi Arabia . For 6 freaking months beaating our chest on the boarder . Tell me you don't think an army of thousands of troops can't get rid of evidence in that amount of time . Saddam though we were bluffing . Either that or he really did think he could survive an attack by the US . He lost . Now although we didn't find any WMD's our war with Iraq did one thing . It removed the ability of Iraq to attack the US . But in the process we killed a lot of civillians and it is our duty to help out . We don't have a problem with the Iraqi people , just with Saddams rule and dictatorship . We are trying our best but it's kind of hard to help out when your getting shot at . Man we could do so much more if we didn't have to be alert for attacks every second .  Anyhow the insurgents are shia . They were the majoirty living very well under Saddams protection . Well we basically fucked thier shit up and they are fighting for power , remind you of any other country ? They don't want to give up any power to the sunnis and kurds . They want things to stay the same . also you still have Al Qeda doing it's best to play kill the ifidel and the icing on the cake is spies and sabotures from Iran fucking shit up who would like nothing better for Iraq to fall to pieces . Iran and Iraq are bitter enemys .
Now since the war 2 countries have broken treaties concering WMD - Iran and North Korea . Iran's persident  is calling for the destruction of Isreal , calling for it to be wiped off the map and is openly telling us they are enriching uranium and we can pretty much go fuck ourselves . Of course we are gonna go to war with Iran - it's just a matter of time and planning . Without a dout plans are already drwn out . Plans are already drwn out for EVEY tactical military actions . Guys , don't you get it ? Behind the curtains we are at war every day so to speak . The shit that goes on underground will spin your head . We are for ever spying on other nations and they are forever spying on us . It is in man nature to be paronoid and secure the future for his country .
For example we just busted a guy from China who has been spying on us for 50 years solid . He gave up all kinds of secret documents on how we build our nuke submarines , jets , cruise missles . They just jumped 15 years ahead of thier time . Shit like this goes on every day . It all boils down to who has the guts and the might to do somthing about it .

xanthpi wrote:

They will send you to Gitmo and make you wear underpants on your head and will play death metal all night.

Where's the problem?

Wasder wrote:

Well I just finished watching the documentary and I liked it a lot. The best proved stuff is of course about Pentagon. To answer the general question which formed in process of discussion  (why would bush's administration put it out) I'd say: For money. Only $200mln of gold stored under WTC was found of about $160 bln. That alone would leave Mr Bush and his boys in profit. And, as stated in the movie he now can do whatthefuckever he wants covering with 9/11 events: Freedom Act, Afghanistan, Iraq. What's next I can't imagine. But everything comes off his hands as Americans are a very lazy nation and won't be likely to throw him out of his office. I said that meaning no offence to you as a nation. Especially jonnykill, a real patriot without no fucked up sarcasm.

So, your 'opinion' flies in the face of all actual evidence. Dude, you're as dumb as a box of rocks.

PFC_Kurtz_John wrote:

Its truely sad that this is what the youth of America has come to.

What?  The ability to question and demand answers?  The ability to have a drive to know what really happened and what instigated 9/11?  The "youth" of today...are we supposed to just listen to what everyone tells us and accept it at face value and not have any inkling to ask more?

Unless you are just referring to the more uneducated posts (both Right and Left) that have arisen in this thread...

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free...it expects what never was and never will be." and "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."- Thomas Jefferson

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public" - Theodore Roosevelt

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

Although I wouldn't stretch as far as calling 9/11 'staged'. Three Thousand people died in that shocking and deliberate attack on America. But, here's some food for thought:

Apparently, people who have been fired from the Bush administration have been writing their memoirs, and have said the following: The moment the attack happened on the twin towers, the very same morning when Bush found out, he said, how can we pin this on Saddam Hussein? Bush was scheming. I would say that there are two main reasons for going after Iraq in the wake of 9/11. Firstly, George Bush Snr (G.W.Bush's father) failed in the gulf ten years ago, maybe he was under pressure from his father, or pushed into finishing the job.

Secondly, and most controversial, Oil Control. Oil is a very, very valuable commodity. Great business. Iraq has many oil wells riddled accross the country. Bush could have also had this in mind, to perhaps clear up the debt that war would leave, and still have some left over. In the years since 9/11 Oil prices have shot up rapidly. The cost of refining a standard 64 Gallon drum of oil has risen from 5cents to 37cents in less than a year. I think that would be profiteering, right there. What justifies a 750% rise in prices? Nothing, but war. I haven't researched this fully, but I believe that a great deal of the oil sold by the United States has come from Iraq.

So by now you're thinking I'm on crack and I'm a delusional, paranoid schizophrenic? Well, lets think about this:

Who staged the attack on the twin towers? No, it wasn't Saddam Hussein, it was Osama Bin Laden. So why does George Bush Jnr attack Iraq, because of suspicions of Nuclear weapons of mass destruction, which weren't even there? Why hasn't the Bush administration taken care of the real cause of 9/11, after 5 years? Sure, they launched an attack on Afghanistan, but the focus switched rapidly to Iraq. Why are there 120,000 troops deployed in Iraq, and only a mere 20,000 in Afghanistan, the true cause of 9/11?

In conclusion, there are a few unanswered questions about this whole 'war on terror' concept. I'd like to remain politely neutral about this issue, so don't flame me about it if you're a Die-Hard Bush supporter, I don't want to hear about it. But personally, I'm glad that bush has like a year or two left in office, (I don't keep track of foreign affairs that much, i'm only 16).

I wish people wouldn't open their mouths unless they actually knew what they were talking about. Then the rest of the readers might learn something.

Iraq wasn't invaded because of 9/11. Iraq was invaded to get rid of Saddam Hussein, as the primary reason.

If the US wanted the oil, they could have had it for free rather than spending 600 billion dollars on a war to get it. All they had to do was do a deal to lift the sanctions and the oil was theirs.

I wish people would think before they put finger to keyboard.

xanthpi wrote:

I wish people would think before they put finger to keyboard.

haha yes indeed, your little insightful post just made my day!
thank you for (not) thinking before posting! wonderful, gonna laugh all day! haha!

Well, that's what it always comes down to in almost all uneducated political debates.  People will refuse to accept the facts when they are placed before them because the facts do not match up with their ingrained beliefs.

For all of those who say that the video only represents "one side" of the argument, I would like you to post a researched counter-argument or video that explains how the government Couldn't have had anything to do with it.  This will make the debate a lot better than just "OMG That's liberal trash!!  How can you fucking believe THAT!!?!?!" and so on and so forth...

splixx wrote:

DrakeRide55 wrote:

splixx wrote:

The sheep can speak!

Did he really just say the sheep can speak?  Helpin me drive home the point that liberals are idiots!

The only true way out for you is to insult others hehe. I understand... Have a great day!

By the way I am not a liberal.. I would say independent is more my style... sut rulle!

Did you not call him a sheep?  I'm confused now... are you making a point about insulting to him or yourself?

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

xanthpi wrote:

I wish people wouldn't open their mouths unless they actually knew what they were talking about. Then the rest of the readers might learn something.

Iraq wasn't invaded because of 9/11. Iraq was invaded to get rid of Saddam Hussein, as the primary reason.

If the US wanted the oil, they could have had it for free rather than spending 600 billion dollars on a war to get it. All they had to do was do a deal to lift the sanctions and the oil was theirs.

I wish people would think before they put finger to keyboard.

As I said in my first post, I'm here to remain politely neutral, and not to flame. That being said, the reason America invaded Iraq was because they feared the capability of Iraq to create Weapons of Mass Destruction. These accusations were unfounded, and the UN inspectors lied or fabricated their report so that George Bush could obtain permission to invade Iraq. As we have probably all heard there were absolutely NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and therefore the invasion was unjustified. The resources Iraq has are very, very valuable to George W. Bush, otherwise he would not send 120,000 soldiers there. My main point is that the Bush Administration should be going after Osama Bin Laden, the true cause of 9/11, rather than spend so much money and manpower on unfounded accusations in Iraq. Sure, they may have done Iraq a favour, dethroning a tyrannical dictator, but realistically, they had no right to do so.

The 'War on Terror' shifted it's focus to Iraq, instead of the cause of the furore, Afghanistan and the Taliban. The leader of the Taliban, Osama Bin Laden, remains uncaptured somewhere in the tribal lands at the borders of two countries. I can't remember which exactly, but that is the widely believed speculation. After all these years, he has proven he is still alive, by taunting and threatening the United States and the Coalition Forces. The true debate however, is not about Iraq, but about the staging of 9/11. I will reiterate what I said in my first post. I do not believe that 9/11 was staged, but it created a smokescreen large enough for the Bush Administration to get away with invading a completely different country. You could even say that it was what the Government had been hoping for.

Bla bla.

No, the reason the Allies invaded Iraq was regime change. Forget what you *think* you know. It's only what is real is important.

Dude, you're only a teen gamer. Wisdom, if it is possible within an individual, comes with age. When I was 16 I was a bit of a dumbass too. I believed in ghosts and also thought that humans might have been created by aliens.