i get heated about this issue a lot
but hey, its war, get over it
but hey, its war, get over it
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where did the idea of sportsmanship come into play here ? to me, this game is all about gaining a tactical advantage over your enemy and using it to defeat him. that will of course include making use of weapons that are superior to the enemy's weapons. same happens in real life combat, so why not implement it in Bf2 ?
If I understand pish correctly, his argument is that his opponent should only be entitled to beat him by making use of better skill and not by making use of a superior weapon ( in this case, the GL ).
Personally I think he is just mad that guys who - according to his perception - have less skill than him can beat him by use of a better weapon.
fact is, the game offers a lot of different kinds of weapon systems and IMO there is nothing n00bish or unfair or unsportsmanlike about choosing the one that will give you an advantage over your enemy.
I've seen the same discussions around the use of the AWP in CS for years. not a valid argument to me...
as far as the balancing issue is concerned, I really can't say anything about that. I've never fired a GL in real life. might well be that it is too powerful in the game. but as all armies get to have one, there is nothing unfair about it, I believe.
what I agree on though is that the splash damage on the GL should be fixed. it is not realistic that the guy firing a GL at me from 3 feet can live through that.
If I understand pish correctly, his argument is that his opponent should only be entitled to beat him by making use of better skill and not by making use of a superior weapon ( in this case, the GL ).
Personally I think he is just mad that guys who - according to his perception - have less skill than him can beat him by use of a better weapon.
fact is, the game offers a lot of different kinds of weapon systems and IMO there is nothing n00bish or unfair or unsportsmanlike about choosing the one that will give you an advantage over your enemy.
I've seen the same discussions around the use of the AWP in CS for years. not a valid argument to me...
as far as the balancing issue is concerned, I really can't say anything about that. I've never fired a GL in real life. might well be that it is too powerful in the game. but as all armies get to have one, there is nothing unfair about it, I believe.
what I agree on though is that the splash damage on the GL should be fixed. it is not realistic that the guy firing a GL at me from 3 feet can live through that.
no no no... i dont think that you should HAVE TO kill the person with a gun!!!!! not at all... keep in mind i put this in the "Imporvemtns" section not complaints...
I JUST WANT THE GL's TO GET FIXED!!! then all the "n00b Tube" N00bs can use them all they want!!! gp's r NOT 1 shot kills unless you hit them right at their feet... but the area effect that they have in this game is COMPLETELY UN-REALISTIC!!!!!! And the accuracy has no deviation, like it should!
This is 1 reason why the M95 was not made a 1 shot kill... is bc there would be to many sniper n00bs... well it goes this way too... the GL's are 1 shot kill so all the n00bs use them. Does not take any skill to aim this weapon at someone and hit NEAR them and kill them.... same goes for sniper (if 1 shot kill), does not take much to camp and shot someone 1 time!
I hope you get the point now. Use them if you want to... they are just really unbalanced right now, and it only takes someone with n00b skills to kill someone with 1 shot.
I JUST WANT THE GL's TO GET FIXED!!! then all the "n00b Tube" N00bs can use them all they want!!! gp's r NOT 1 shot kills unless you hit them right at their feet... but the area effect that they have in this game is COMPLETELY UN-REALISTIC!!!!!! And the accuracy has no deviation, like it should!
This is 1 reason why the M95 was not made a 1 shot kill... is bc there would be to many sniper n00bs... well it goes this way too... the GL's are 1 shot kill so all the n00bs use them. Does not take any skill to aim this weapon at someone and hit NEAR them and kill them.... same goes for sniper (if 1 shot kill), does not take much to camp and shot someone 1 time!
I hope you get the point now. Use them if you want to... they are just really unbalanced right now, and it only takes someone with n00b skills to kill someone with 1 shot.
no hard feelings, I assure you
As I've said I agree that the damage on the GL should be fixed. maybe we disagree on the balancing issue, but that's fine
let's wait and see if EA does something about it in the upcoming patch
As I've said I agree that the damage on the GL should be fixed. maybe we disagree on the balancing issue, but that's fine
let's wait and see if EA does something about it in the upcoming patch
I agree, the Grenade Launcher sucks a$$. I just love it when a run around a corner with my gun out and get blasted by a grenade launcer without so much of a fight back from the dude that killed me. IMO, should the grenade launcher kill with one shot?...Yes, if it's a direct or almost direct hit. Should these D-bags run around with the grenade launcher out all the time?...Absolutely not, it's completely unsportsman like!! Like Pish*** said, it's take no skill to use when you run around a corner and shoot. I hardly ever play Assault, but if I do, I use it to hit guys that I see or that I know is there (around a corner or something). I don't run around with it anticipating an easy kill against a poor shmuck with a machine gun.
well, i think B.Schuss nailed it, great explination
Aside from using a knife, the M203 / GP30 is the next most satisfying "anti-sniper" option - especially after the snipe has slithered back "out-of-sight" from the ridgeline or roof edge he was shooting from. I've got better tactical things to do than wait for his next appearance or hike around the map for a vantage point just so I can satisfy somebody else's fantasy about engaging them "mano a mano". If dropping a 'nade on his ass from 300 meters out gets the job done with the least effort, then that's the tool I use . . .
BTW - My 8 year old son, who was cutting his teeth on Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament at age 3, deeply resents that initial "Wow - that takes skill" sarcastic analogy; and told me "From what this guy is saying, if I had to clean a floor with either a toothbrush or a broom, I should use the toothbrush - because the broom would be 'too easy' . . . "
BTW - My 8 year old son, who was cutting his teeth on Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament at age 3, deeply resents that initial "Wow - that takes skill" sarcastic analogy; and told me "From what this guy is saying, if I had to clean a floor with either a toothbrush or a broom, I should use the toothbrush - because the broom would be 'too easy' . . . "
Timberwolf... on that note... we have MOAB bomb's and nukes... why dont we just nuke iraq?????
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Exactly.....
for the love of god, pish, let's keep this on-topic. If we start that kind of discussion right now, things are going to get out of control...pish180 wrote:
Timberwolf... on that note... we have MOAB bomb's and nukes... why dont we just nuke iraq?????
thx
Yeah i had to get the point across somehow... only a few peolpe seem to understand. Hope this will help with all your analogies you keep thorwing out.B.Schuss wrote:
for the love of god, pish, let's keep this on-topic. If we start that kind of discussion right now, things are going to get out of control...pish180 wrote:
Timberwolf... on that note... we have MOAB bomb's and nukes... why dont we just nuke iraq?????
thx
Last edited by pish180 (2005-09-22 10:18:55)
i dont mean to be rude but this game is about team play and working together ur in a squad ur squad is running for ur goal whatever that may be u run into a gp noob... and he kills all of you at once?. (unless ur running in each others pockets) most of the time i shoot and kill the gp guy b4 he kills me (then i die) but then i have some skill and can shoot straight, do you?pish180 wrote:
no no no... i dont think that you should HAVE TO kill the person with a gun!!!!! not at all... keep in mind i put this in the "Imporvemtns" section not complaints...
I JUST WANT THE GL's TO GET FIXED!!! then all the "n00b Tube" N00bs can use them all they want!!! gp's r NOT 1 shot kills unless you hit them right at their feet... but the area effect that they have in this game is COMPLETELY UN-REALISTIC!!!!!! And the accuracy has no deviation, like it should!
This is 1 reason why the M95 was not made a 1 shot kill... is bc there would be to many sniper n00bs... well it goes this way too... the GL's are 1 shot kill so all the n00bs use them. Does not take any skill to aim this weapon at someone and hit NEAR them and kill them.... same goes for sniper (if 1 shot kill), does not take much to camp and shot someone 1 time!
I hope you get the point now. Use them if you want to... they are just really unbalanced right now, and it only takes someone with n00b skills to kill someone with 1 shot.
Woohoo has this topic been overdiscussed in all the BF2 forums or what... Look call it a 'n00b-tube' or whatever, Its here to stay. I still like the PKM and G3 though. So if I headshot with it a lot, does that make me n00b too?
GP has its uses, i love lobbing over walls, hitting small groups etc. I don't see a point in using it to take out ONE guy, when i can do the same with my rifle or even my pistol. But in a crunch time, I'd rather not change to my rifle i.e. some assault (chances are he's wielding a PKM) comes charging around the corner, taking out snipers in a room. I'd rather not risk it. Sure, it may be all that slightly overpowered, but hell, it keeps me alive, gives my team the win so i don't think i'll complain about it.
There's no such thing as n00b weapons. Only n00b players. And n00b people who can't counter it. I know assault players who've never thrown the smoke grenade ever. Now THAT'S a n00b.
Hell, I think I'm talking out of my ass here.. heh.
GP has its uses, i love lobbing over walls, hitting small groups etc. I don't see a point in using it to take out ONE guy, when i can do the same with my rifle or even my pistol. But in a crunch time, I'd rather not change to my rifle i.e. some assault (chances are he's wielding a PKM) comes charging around the corner, taking out snipers in a room. I'd rather not risk it. Sure, it may be all that slightly overpowered, but hell, it keeps me alive, gives my team the win so i don't think i'll complain about it.
There's no such thing as n00b weapons. Only n00b players. And n00b people who can't counter it. I know assault players who've never thrown the smoke grenade ever. Now THAT'S a n00b.
Hell, I think I'm talking out of my ass here.. heh.
Your right about that polarbearz... almost every assault person i have witnessed, never used their smoke!!! and run around EVERYWHERE with their GL out. And when the run out of ammo they wine about not having ammo. That to me is n00b. And that classifies about 90% of all the Assault peolpe out there, thus giving the game "tube n00bs". So you can thank your fellow GL'er n00bs for that.There's no such thing as n00b weapons. Only n00b players. And n00b people who can't counter it. I know assault players who've never thrown the smoke grenade ever. Now THAT'S a n00b.
At the same time i agree that, there are good times to use the GL'er (even tho it is unbalanced). Say a squad is moving up on you (observed thru UAV), Small Vehicles. Other then small vehicles.... it is nothing you cant do with a regular frag grenade... which take skill on timing and throwing correctly.
All and All, the point is... it needs to get fixed (balanced).
Plenty of reasons to use the GL without having to use it as a main weapon. So many uses and yet many insist on using it as a first strike infantry weapon. Sad yes.. but reality I suppose. I will continue to use my GL whenever I feel it is necessary and if that happens to result in a suprise point blank range shot when I turn a corner.. so be it. Kind of the same circumstance that I use my AT missle at point blank range. Sometimes.. its all you have and switching weapons will simply get you killed.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
That brings me to another point. Why does the gp hurt more then the AT missles???
I mean... look how big the eryx is...
It could just be me.... but how does something 100x smaller in size do more damage??? hmmm. what ever. Mabye because it needs to be balanced too.
As i am sure the GL'ers will be getting balanced in this... as well as a lot of other balancing things... blackhawk is getting fixed... so they obviously know that it needs balancing. I guess i cant wait for these probs to get fixed.
I mean... look how big the eryx is...
It could just be me.... but how does something 100x smaller in size do more damage??? hmmm. what ever. Mabye because it needs to be balanced too.
As i am sure the GL'ers will be getting balanced in this... as well as a lot of other balancing things... blackhawk is getting fixed... so they obviously know that it needs balancing. I guess i cant wait for these probs to get fixed.
i do alot of field training for the Air Force and since we do alot of simulated scenarios. We get alot of people saying "you would be dead, and similiar things when it comes to Clays, mines, m203, and whatever else peoples imaginations can come up with. trust me some of these people have never held a m16 in there life.
anyways we have a saying/question we say in the military.... "are you specifically, qualified on (fill in the blank)? no, then how do you know what it can and cant do?
but like that guy said this is a game, enjoy it... if your gonna cry about it then you need a life, lol im gonna use the 203 and 30 a little more just for you! lol, cause im gettin a kick outta this
anyways we have a saying/question we say in the military.... "are you specifically, qualified on (fill in the blank)? no, then how do you know what it can and cant do?
but like that guy said this is a game, enjoy it... if your gonna cry about it then you need a life, lol im gonna use the 203 and 30 a little more just for you! lol, cause im gettin a kick outta this
As i said before Thrillz.... a suggestion can be perceived at wining, crying, b1tching, moaning, complaining or what ever you want to call it... but without people to do that... nothing would be fixed! And dont forget it.
And for your information i am in the military, and i have shot an m16. Thus knowing it is a POS.
Sure go ahead use the n00b tube... afterall i still get the gold star, and double the points of any assault person bc i have teamwork and kills, + my team ususally wins because i Res so many teammates.
As far as Quals go... Dont think becasue someone is not qual'ed they dont know what something can and cant do!! There have been plenty of times i have know more then a qualified person on something.
And for your information i am in the military, and i have shot an m16. Thus knowing it is a POS.
Sure go ahead use the n00b tube... afterall i still get the gold star, and double the points of any assault person bc i have teamwork and kills, + my team ususally wins because i Res so many teammates.
As far as Quals go... Dont think becasue someone is not qual'ed they dont know what something can and cant do!! There have been plenty of times i have know more then a qualified person on something.
Last edited by pish180 (2005-09-27 03:48:54)
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(Don't view it if you don't want to see someone's head cracked open with his brains falling out)
Check out this guy, the round didn't have enough time to arm during flight and it hit his head, cracking it wide open. This should give some of you an idea as to it's strength.
As for the eryx comment, it's not about the size, but the speed or mechanics. It doesn't penetrate like a bullet, it releases high pressure gas that blows a hole in the tank. I don't know what would happen if it hit a person in the chest, but if I had to guess it would need significant resistance to arm the head of it, and my guess is you'd be knocked down by it, I can't say.
And obviously it's been said a million times, but this game isnt based on realism by any means.
(Don't view it if you don't want to see someone's head cracked open with his brains falling out)
Check out this guy, the round didn't have enough time to arm during flight and it hit his head, cracking it wide open. This should give some of you an idea as to it's strength.
As for the eryx comment, it's not about the size, but the speed or mechanics. It doesn't penetrate like a bullet, it releases high pressure gas that blows a hole in the tank. I don't know what would happen if it hit a person in the chest, but if I had to guess it would need significant resistance to arm the head of it, and my guess is you'd be knocked down by it, I can't say.
And obviously it's been said a million times, but this game isnt based on realism by any means.
Last edited by Ryan_Mercury (2005-09-27 09:35:55)
ooo... nice pick ryan... hahah
yeah... the eryx requires quite a bit of pressure to expload. My assumption is that is has an AP warhead. but if it hit cement next to you or even close to you... i could only imagine the effects of what it would do. After it is designed to blow the armor of a tank. But yeah.. far from realistic this game is!!
yeah... the eryx requires quite a bit of pressure to expload. My assumption is that is has an AP warhead. but if it hit cement next to you or even close to you... i could only imagine the effects of what it would do. After it is designed to blow the armor of a tank. But yeah.. far from realistic this game is!!
Oh no...I see that being removed soon.
It's a reality of war.CMDR_Dave wrote:
Oh no...I see that being removed soon.
I really don't know why you are complaining so much about this, I only get "Tube" killed while running around like Rambo and that is my own fault not the presumed "n00bs" fault. Try to find the fault in the system in your own playing style, not randomnly accusing peoplez of being n00bs, that is a weakness!
Last edited by [SWAM]RobbieE (2005-09-27 09:48:32)
POS? What's that pish?
Onto your thing about AT rockets, only a few are high-explosive, most are penatrative, and the LAW just sucks.
Edit: Robbie do you have something against pish you seem to be attacking all his posts.
Onto your thing about AT rockets, only a few are high-explosive, most are penatrative, and the LAW just sucks.
Edit: Robbie do you have something against pish you seem to be attacking all his posts.
Last edited by polarbearz (2005-09-27 19:52:03)
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