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Mitt Romney is campaigning on a platform that emphasizes less spending, smaller deficits and renewed fiscal responsibility.

But in one budget area, Romney is running the opposite direction. The former Massachusetts governor wants to increase defense spending by leaps and bounds. By one estimate, additional spending would exceed $2 trillion over the next decade.

Romney's plan calls for linking the Pentagon's base budget to Gross Domestic Product, and allowing the military to spend at least $4 dollars out of every $100 the American economy produces.

With the Pentagon's base budget -- which does not include war costs -- forecast to hit 3.5% of GDP in 2013, a jump to 4% would mean an increase of around $100 billion dollars in defense spending in 2013.

The additional spending really piles up in future years.

Compared to the Pentagon's current budget, Romney's plan would lead to $2.1 trillion in additional spending over the next ten years, according to an analysis conducted for CNNMoney by Travis Sharp, a budget expert at the Center for a New American Security.
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Are we in danger from somewhere that we need a bigger military? Or is spending too high? Should we shrink it maybe?

I think it is too big and should be downsized. There are too many fat contractors sitting in offices in the middle east and east Asia. Soldiers are getting too many benefits too. We should either cut their benefits and pay or put them into civil projects. There are too many soldiers sitting on their assess in bases soaking up government money while they get fed and sheltered.

These people are drains but of course that is unpopular to say because it is considered unpatriotic. Why should we put our college students in debt but keep pumping money into a job core for people who barely make it out of high school?
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You don't need such a big ass army, but of course you guys have picked a lot of fights with a lot of people with just as big bombs.
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One would think that we could shed some of the bloat and still feel safe in our ivory tower.
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AussieReaper
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$2 trillion dollars. How are the fiscal conservatives of the GOP going to defend that one?

Oh but cut PBS because it's educational and is 1/10000th of the budget.
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unnamednewbie13
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Mitt Romney wants to cancel funding to beneficial programs like PBS yet pour even more money into a military that can't even figure out how to spend what it already gets. How does that save anything? I'm probably going to vote for Obama. *sigh*
Jay
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His target was NPR, not PBS
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His target is a secondary car elevator.
AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

His target was NPR, not PBS
Is Big Bird on the radio?

Romney wants to cut PBS funding.
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unnamednewbie13
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AussieReaper wrote:

How are the fiscal conservatives of the GOP going to defend that one?
They're not. They're going to hold their noses and vote for Romney because he's not Obama. And if he wins, they'd whine and bitch as he spends lumps of dough while pretending he's saving it.
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

His target was NPR, not PBS
Is Big Bird on the radio?

Romney wants to cut PBS funding.
Side effect. The real target is National Political Public Radio which is a perennial whipping boy for the Republicans since it acts much like a liberal propaganda channel on the public dime.

I don't care either way, entertainment should not be publicly funded in the first place. There are other ways to fund PBS, which I named in another thread: show commercials like every other channel or extract carrier fees from the cable providers like everyone else is doing.
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unnamednewbie13
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Maybe NPR should be edited by Fox News. You know, for fair balancing.
Jay
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But it is amazing to me how that has become the focal point of the debate that Democrats are using to attack Romney with. He utterly destroyed Obama, but hey, he wants to kill Big Bird. That's obviously the most important thing that came out of the debate
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Jay
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Maybe NPR should be edited by Fox News. You know, for fair balancing.
Fox isn't paid for by the taxpayers.
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AussieReaper
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Jay wrote:

But it is amazing to me how that has become the focal point of the debate that Democrats are using to attack Romney with. He utterly destroyed Obama, but hey, he wants to kill Big Bird. That's obviously the most important thing that came out of the debate
He wants to increase military funding and cut funding to PBS.

Hence the thread OP and our comments on how the GOP can support such a fiscally conservative stance...

What is amazing is you saying he wanted to defund NPR and not PBS. Which is bs.

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Jay wrote:

show commercials like every other channel or extract carrier fees from the cable providers like everyone else is doing.
Great idea! "We interrupt your beneficial math and reading show to bring you this 15-minute commercial interruption:

BUY FAST FOOD! BUY MOLDABLE SLIME TO SMEAR ALL OVER YOUR WALL! BUY THESE VIDEO GAMES! BUY THIS ACTION FIGURE THAT SAYS 'PISS!' ANNOY YOUR PARENTS UNTIL THEY GIVE US DOUGH!"

e: Maybe we could even have commercial interruptions to help fund public schools.

Jay wrote:

But it is amazing to me how that has become the focal point of the debate that Democrats are using to attack Romney with. He utterly destroyed Obama, but hey, he wants to kill Big Bird. That's obviously the most important thing that came out of the debate
It's certainly going to be the most well remembered point. Romney is awful where soundbytes are concerned, and his running mate isn't much of an improvement.

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Maybe NPR should be edited by Fox News. You know, for fair balancing.
Fox isn't paid for by the taxpayers.
Not really the point, but ok. I watched a shit load of PBS and listened to a ton of NPR, but didn't really feel "manipulated" by it. If they've (PBS, at least) changed that much, perhaps viewers/listeners could put more pressure on them to stop.
Jay
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AussieReaper wrote:

Jay wrote:

But it is amazing to me how that has become the focal point of the debate that Democrats are using to attack Romney with. He utterly destroyed Obama, but hey, he wants to kill Big Bird. That's obviously the most important thing that came out of the debate
He wants to increase military funding and cut funding to PBS.

Hence the thread OP and our comments on how the GOP can support such a fiscally conservative stance...

What is amazing is you saying he wanted to defend NPR and not PBS. Which is bs.
I've never said Romney is a fiscal conservative, nor have I ever said that I'm going to vote for him. I just think the attacks made on him by the left following the debate are fucking laughable. Romney has displayed just as much fiscal buffoonery as Obama during this campaign, it's like a race to bankruptcy. It's just funny that people are making such a big deal about PBS when hey, guess what? Sitting your kids down in front of the TV is not what you should be doing as parents in the first place. You should be teaching your own kids how to count and spell, you don't need Elmo or Bert and Ernie. Or, if you do insist, there's about thirty years of re-runs to draw from on netflix. The kids won't know the difference.
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Jay
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Jay wrote:

show commercials like every other channel or extract carrier fees from the cable providers like everyone else is doing.
Great idea! "We interrupt your beneficial math and reading show to bring you this 15-minute commercial interruption:

BUY FAST FOOD! BUY MOLDABLE SLIME TO SMEAR ALL OVER YOUR WALL! BUY THESE VIDEO GAMES! BUY THIS ACTION FIGURE THAT SAYS 'PISS!' ANNOY YOUR PARENTS UNTIL THEY GIVE US DOUGH!"

e: Maybe we could even have commercial interruptions to help fund public schools.

Jay wrote:

But it is amazing to me how that has become the focal point of the debate that Democrats are using to attack Romney with. He utterly destroyed Obama, but hey, he wants to kill Big Bird. That's obviously the most important thing that came out of the debate
It's certainly going to be the most well remembered point. Romney is awful where soundbytes are concerned, and his running mate isn't much of an improvement.

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Maybe NPR should be edited by Fox News. You know, for fair balancing.
Fox isn't paid for by the taxpayers.
Not really the point, but ok. I watched a shit load of PBS and listened to a ton of NPR, but didn't really feel "manipulated" by it. If they've (PBS, at least) changed that much, perhaps viewers/listeners could put more pressure on them to stop.
You know there are links between autism and television watching, yes?
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Jay wrote:

hey, guess what? Sitting your kids down in front of the TV is not what you should be doing as parents in the first place. You should be teaching your own kids how to count and spell, you don't need Elmo or Bert and Ernie. Or, if you do insist, there's about thirty years of re-runs to draw from on netflix. The kids won't know the difference.
That would be great if every parent had the time, patience or know-how to personally educate their children. But realistically, they don't. TV isn't all about boob-tubery. Watching too much of it is unbalanced, but at the same time it's unfair to think that it can't be a beneficial tool.

Jay wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Not really the point, but ok. I watched a shit load of PBS and listened to a ton of NPR, but didn't really feel "manipulated" by it. If they've (PBS, at least) changed that much, perhaps viewers/listeners could put more pressure on them to stop.
You know there are links between autism and television watching, yes?
Ah, the crux of the matter. Insults.
Jay
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

That would be great if every parent had the time, patience or know-how to personally educate their children. But realistically, they don't. TV isn't all about boob-tubery. Watching too much of it is unbalanced, but at the same time it's unfair to think that it can't be a beneficial tool.
It's really fucking difficult and time consuming to teach your kid how to count to 10 or to recite the ABC's? That 'leave it to the specialists' attitude is why so many kids suck at school. All the load is dumped on the shoulders of teachers.

Again, the channel could be paid for by cable subscribers. Do you know that $5 of your cable bill goes to ESPN every month?
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Jay
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But seriously, if your vote hinges on something as ridiculously stupid as public funding for NPR and PBS then you deserve whatever shithead president we end up with.
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Jay wrote:

It's really fucking difficult and time consuming to teach your kid how to count to 10 or to recite the ABC's? That 'leave it to the specialists' attitude is why so many kids suck at school. All the load is dumped on the shoulders of teachers.

Again, the channel could be paid for by cable subscribers. Do you know that $5 of your cable bill goes to ESPN every month?
Shiny half-truth, and I think you know why.

Anyway, do you really think depriving children of an excellent educational tool that consumes a vastly insignificant portion of the budget because parents should "do it all themselves" will really help? I think it's an excellent gesture and far more useful than our ridiculously long and expensive prison sentences.
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Jay wrote:

But seriously, if your vote hinges on something as ridiculously stupid as public funding for NPR and PBS then you deserve whatever shithead president we end up with.
That statement is meaningless. This election is already Tweedle-Dee vs. Tweedle-Dum in many respects. I'm voting for the man who most closely represents my various political ideologies...who I think can win.

Calling things like NPR, PBS or whatever a significant drain on the economy while you're planning on spending far more in areas that a lot of Americans don't really think need it is asinine.
Jay
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Jay wrote:

It's really fucking difficult and time consuming to teach your kid how to count to 10 or to recite the ABC's? That 'leave it to the specialists' attitude is why so many kids suck at school. All the load is dumped on the shoulders of teachers.

Again, the channel could be paid for by cable subscribers. Do you know that $5 of your cable bill goes to ESPN every month?
Shiny half-truth, and I think you know why.

Anyway, do you really think depriving children of an excellent educational tool that consumes a vastly insignificant portion of the budget because parents should "do it all themselves" will really help? I think it's an excellent gesture and far more useful than our ridiculously long and expensive prison sentences.
You're talking to the guy that doesn't want any of it. I want a tiny active military, I want drug offenders released from jail, I want no public funding for entertainment etc. There's just no logical reason to me why PBS can't function like every other television channel. If you don't want commercials, pay Netflix the $5/month.
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-Frederick Bastiat
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Calling things like NPR, PBS or whatever a significant drain on the economy while you're planning on spending far more in areas that a lot of Americans don't really think need it is asinine.
Jay
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Calling things like NPR, PBS or whatever a significant drain on the economy while you're planning on spending far more in areas that a lot of Americans don't really think need it is asinine.
Sure, I'm just pointing out that crying over PBS losing federal funding is asinine too.

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