So it's basically the honor system?
Wrong.Jay wrote:
Can't get a social security card without being a citizen.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So it's basically the honor system?
Are you really this stupid?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So it's basically the honor system?
No, I'm just a bit surprised that they don't do anything to verify your citizenship status at all.
They do. You can find someone in the Social Security database in seconds if you have their SSN, DOB, and Name.
Do they not have a social security databases in Guatemala?
Do they not have a social security databases in Guatemala?
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I managed to register to vote on the same day the Wisconsin Presidential primaries were on and voted right afterward. I still remember my first voting number. During the Scott Walker recall elections, I saw a guy register to vote.Jay wrote:
Really? You have to register here months in advance. If you aren't on the list they won't hand you a ballot no matter how many proofs of ID you produce.rdx-fx wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
I didn't take the time to read everybody else's posts so I apologize if I'm a broken record here or if I missed some information.
I think the right thing is to have people show their ID. It's not a big deal, it takes all of 30 seconds tops (if you're really slow) and removes the possibility of foreigners voting in our elections. They have no right to vote in our country, so lets put this measure in place to force them to.When the little old lady at the voting center uses your driver's license to cross reference you with her registered voter list, it's rather effective.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
well that only works if the ID has some sort of designation on it to indicate citizenship. My Maryland driver's license looks no different from a US citizen's.
If, for some reason, you're not on the registered voter list, you need further ID to prove your eligibility.
And it's always a bunch of little old ladies running the voter registration desk...
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Every state is different.War Man wrote:
I managed to register to vote on the same day the Wisconsin Presidential primaries were on and voted right afterward. I still remember my first voting number. During the Scott Walker recall elections, I saw a guy register to vote.Jay wrote:
Really? You have to register here months in advance. If you aren't on the list they won't hand you a ballot no matter how many proofs of ID you produce.rdx-fx wrote:
When the little old lady at the voting center uses your driver's license to cross reference you with her registered voter list, it's rather effective.-Sh1fty- wrote:
I didn't take the time to read everybody else's posts so I apologize if I'm a broken record here or if I missed some information.
I think the right thing is to have people show their ID. It's not a big deal, it takes all of 30 seconds tops (if you're really slow) and removes the possibility of foreigners voting in our elections. They have no right to vote in our country, so lets put this measure in place to force them to.
If, for some reason, you're not on the registered voter list, you need further ID to prove your eligibility.
And it's always a bunch of little old ladies running the voter registration desk...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well aware of that, otherwise if all states had the same methods/laws, they would all either require voter ID or don't.Jay wrote:
Every state is different.War Man wrote:
I managed to register to vote on the same day the Wisconsin Presidential primaries were on and voted right afterward. I still remember my first voting number. During the Scott Walker recall elections, I saw a guy register to vote.Jay wrote:
Really? You have to register here months in advance. If you aren't on the list they won't hand you a ballot no matter how many proofs of ID you produce.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
If you want to vote, you should be able to prove your eligibility if required. The method of proof needs to be robust in order to prevent voter fraud, but not so difficult/complex that it deters eligible voters.
If you just have to say "yep, I'm XYZ" then voter fraud will become relatively easy. If ID is too expensive/hard to get, then accusations of class warfare can be justified.
If you just have to say "yep, I'm XYZ" then voter fraud will become relatively easy. If ID is too expensive/hard to get, then accusations of class warfare can be justified.
i agree, the problem is springing the requirement on the population in time for them to get said ID. in pennsylvania, a judge put the requirement on hold until after the election, allowing for citizens to deal with the inevitable red tape, and in plenty of time to vote.BVC wrote:
If you want to vote, you should be able to prove your eligibility if required. The method of proof needs to be robust in order to prevent voter fraud, but not so difficult/complex that it deters eligible voters.
If you just have to say "yep, I'm XYZ" then voter fraud will become relatively easy. If ID is too expensive/hard to get, then accusations of class warfare can be justified.
Voter ID works both ways.
Have to make sure the voters aren't voting multiple times or fraudulently,
and make sure the people running the voting booths aren't stuffing the ballot box with their favorite candidate.
Have to make sure the voters aren't voting multiple times or fraudulently,
and make sure the people running the voting booths aren't stuffing the ballot box with their favorite candidate.