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Regardless of whether they make license plates or not, I do not see this as any different than slavery.  Maybe more like inverted slavery, instead of keeping the slave for labor purposes instead human beings themselves have been commodified, as opposed to cotton.  The prisons funnel money to the politicians, the politicians funnell money to the criminal justice system, and they in turn deliver the product to the prisons.  A self-replicating cycle of human misery, with large swaths of society with their hands in the dirt.  Absolutely zero accountability.  Maybe we should coin the term meta-fascism?

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13/f/taiwan wrote:

I remembered Jay and lowing arguing about whether business should hire ex-convicts while reading this article:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/biz … z2/10.html

discuss.
Good for him. Glad he gets my business.
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Repeated charges of illegal searches, violence, racial profiling, racial slurs and intimidation against Lt. Daniel Sbarra and his team have cost the city more than $1.5 million in settlements 
Victims say Sbarra is a 'ticking time bomb' as the Brooklyn North Narcotics lieutenant is involved in 15 lawsuits. The NYPD says charges are meritless and that narcs are often targets


A Daily News investigation of Sbarra and his team of cops exposed repeated charges of illegal searches, unprovoked violence, racial profiling, racial slurs and intimidation that cost the city more than $1.5 million in settlements.

NYPD veteran Daniel Sbarra donned his dress blues on Aug. 2, 2011, and headed to One Police Plaza — where Commissioner Raymond Kelly, a promotion and a pay raise awaited.

Kelly shook his hand. And targets of Sbarra’s crude and costly police tactics were left shaking their heads.
The Brooklyn North Narcotics sergeant with 15 years on the job made lieutenant despite years of on-the-job conduct some say raises serious questions about whether he should still have his badge.

The News found Sbarra’s NYPD record, dating back to 2004, was more jailhouse than precinct house. He cut his teeth in the Bronx before working some of Brooklyn’s toughest neighborhoods, including Bedford-Stuyvesant and Bushwick.

“There’s a reason Brooklyn North Narcotics are called the ‘Body Snatchers,’” said civil rights lawyer Paul Hale, whose client recently won a $75,000 settlement, saying he was twice wrongfully arrested by Sbarra’s team. “They don’t care if you’re innocent or guilty. They just want to make arrests at any cost.”
In Sbarra’s case, court documents revealed an assortment of jaw-dropping charges. Among the allegations:

- He and a second cop, with black tape over their badge numbers, called a young Brooklyn barbershop owner a “n-----” during a traffic stop in Bushwick. Settlement: $19,500, including $1,000 Sbarra had to pay out of his own pocket after the city, in a rare move, refused to represent him. Sbarra was found guilty of departmental charges related to the incident, but “Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly dismissed all charges,” Sbarra said in a 2012 deposition.

- He strip-searched a black city paralegal, pulling the man’s underwear down with his boot, at Bedford-Stuyvesant’s 81st Precinct stationhouse. The suspect was charged with marijuana possession; his lawyer later suggested the drugs were planted. Settlement: $30,000.

- His officers brutally beat a Brooklyn man, yanking out a handful of dreadlocks and bashing his head into a window at the 81st Precinct stationhouse, as the man’s 11-year-old son watched in horror. The little boy was recovering from leukemia. Settlement: $50,000.

-He insisted Hale’s client, who already lost a tooth in an arrest a year earlier, swallowed drugs on a Bushwick street. The Brooklyn man was left handcuffed to a bed at Woodhull Hospital for seven hours before being released because no drugs were found. Sbarra never followed up on the case with the hospital, even though he is required to by law. Settlement: $75,000.

Kennie Williams, 28, was on the second floor of his uncle’s Bed-Stuy brownstone in 2010 when, he says, a group of gun-waving officers dragged him to the basement. Williams was then charged with two other men found in the building basement surrounded by cocaine, marijuana and scales. Detective Robert Livingston testified that Williams was found in the basement, not the second floor. Williams became lost in the legal system and said his repeated court appearances cost him his job as a Meals on Wheels driver.

He thought about copping a plea: “I was frightened. I was gonna take it, but my lawyer said, ‘Don’t do it.’ ”
It was good advice. Eighteen months later, the case was thrown out because an assistant district attorney at the Brooklyn DA’s office said Livingston’s “memory became imprecise” about where Williams was arrested, court documents show.

Williams sued and won a $60,000 settlement.

Speaking outside his house earlier this month, Livingston initially called Williams’ defense attorney a liar for putting on record the detective “testified falsely to the grand jury” — insisting, “I never testified to anything in court.”

When The News showed him a partial transcript of his Feb. 2008 grand jury testimony, he copped to it, then declined to comment further. But he did say he was not disciplined in the case.
Cases that didn’t stick were commonplace in Brooklyn North Narcotics.

The Brooklyn DA’s office declined to prosecute more than 1,000 of their arrests in both 2010 and 2011 — about 10% of the borough’s total declined prosecutions.

Brooklynite John Spears, 44, says he twice had his civil rights violated by Sbarra’s team.
In 2009, Detective  Frank Galati and two other officers who worked under Sbarra jumped out of a van and threw him to the ground, knocking out a tooth, his suit claimed. They charged him with tampering with evidence and resisting arrest after a strip search came up empty. The criminal charges were dismissed three months later.

One year later, Spears was walking home with some groceries after work at a VA hospital when Galati stopped him again.
“We’re going to get you this time,” the detective promised, according to court documents. “Where are the drugs?”

“I saw him swallow it,” Sbarra said, the court papers show.

Spears was taken to Woodhull Hospital and handcuffed to a bed for seven hours while waiting to get an X-ray of his stomach. No drugs were found, and he was released without charges roughly 15 hours later.

There was Robert Stephens, 56, who recalls heading to a corner bodega in 2010 when five plainclothes officers jumped him.

“Where’s it at?” he remembered them howling.

The ex-Marine told The News he was carrying his apartment keys but no ID, so he brought the officers to his home. Instead of using his keys, Sbarra ordered his men to smash their way inside with a battering ram.
The cops ransacked the apartment, held Stephens overnight, and released him without charges.
But this time Internal Affairs began looking at the case, and Sbarra pleaded guilty to a number of departmental charges, including having performed the unauthorized search that cost Sbarra 20 vacation days.
Eli was sitting in a car with his uncle when the man was arrested.
Cruz rushed to the precinct, upset and desperate to see his son — a recovering leukemia patient. Instead, he ran into Sbarra.

“You’re gonna have to f------ wait,” the sergeant said, according to Cruz. “When I’m ready I’ll let you know.”

When Cruz demanded to see his son, he said a group of officers descended upon him — punching and kicking the outmanned victim, and then shoving his wife into a wall. The officers ripped out a handful of his dreadlocks and smashed his head into a window, Cruz said. As the dad was led away in cuffs, he saw Eli in another room, crying.

Cruz, 34, who once served seven years in prison on an assault charge, faced charges including criminal mischief — for breaking the window with his head. He collected a $50,000 settlement from a lawsuit. But the money didn’t erase the hard feelings.

Ex-Marine Robert Stephens, 56, said he was heading to a corner bodega in 2010 when five plainclothes officers jumped him.

They threw him against the wall yelling, “Where’s it at?” he said.
Stephens was carrying his keys but no ID, so he said he brought the officers to his Bed-Stuy apartment. But instead of letting him use his keys, Stephens said Sbarra ordered his men to smash the door with a battering ram.

“They wouldn’t let us in the apartment while they searched it. I kept asking if they had a warrant," said daughter Jacqualine Stephens, 20.

The cops ransacked the apartment and took a North Face jacket with the family's $1,000 tax refund in the pocket, held Stephens overnight, and released him without charges.

Stephens said he got his money back - but not his jacket. Robert sued the city and received a $12,500 settlement. But Jacqualine filed a complaint with the Civilian Complaint Review Board and Internal Affairs caught onto the case.

Lamel Roberson , 29, said he was driving home from his barbershop in 2004 when Sbarra and Officer Ralph Pacheco pulled him over on Bushwick Ave. between Stewart and Conway Sts.

Roberson said he showed his license and registration, but instead of running it through the system, the officers, wearing black tape over their badge numbers, dragged him out of his vehicle.

Roberson said he was pressed against the passenger side door, his arm twisted painfully behind his back, as the officers searched his car and repeatedly called him a “n-----,” asking, “Where are the drugs and guns at?”

Nothing illegal  turned up, but Sbarra and Pacheco nonetheless called for back up.

Roberson got an $18,500 settlement for his lawsuit — with the city making the exceptionally rare move of declining to represent Sbarra and forcing him to pay $1,000 out of his own pocket.

But Roberson told The News, “It can’t make up for the disrespect they did to me.”
City paralegal Mark Labrew says he was on his way home from work in 2006 when Sbarra and another officer “profiled” and “demeaned” him. Labrew, who is black, said he asked the pair for their names and badge numbers — and they threw him against a gate and frisked him.

Labrew was taken to the 81st Precinct stationhouse in Bed-Stuy, where he said Officer John Kealy — whom he previously sued four years ago for wrongful arrest — spotted him.

Kealy was caught lying under oath in that arrest, which ended with Kealy getting disciplined and Labrew getting a $125,000 settlement. Labrew says after Kealy spoke to Sbarra, cops started calling him names like “f------ animal” and “retarded monkey.”

Sbarra strip-searched him, pulling Labrew’s underwear down with his boot, according to court documents.

Labrew was charged with marijuana possession and eventually given an adjournment in contemplation of dismissal, a plea deal that means charges are dismissed if the defendant stays out of trouble for a short period of time.

His lawsuit settled for $30,000.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bro … z2Tm1D4V7J
i have no sympathy for these type of cops who go to prison/get fired/off themselves.

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If you get a democrat in office after Bloomberg goes, Stop and frisk will be repealed.
Jay
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Nah.
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I think so.
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The weather's (mostly) hot. School's almost out. And what better way to celebrate summer being almost here than being arrested and charged with a misdemeanor for throwing water balloons.

Hail academia, forever teaching our youth that anything and everything will be punished to the fullest extent of the law, even childhood hijinks our parents would have approved of, if only they weren't so busy being arrested themselves.

    Seven teenage students in North Carolina were arrested on Thursday and charged with a misdemeanor for throwing water balloons during a school prank. A parent was also arrested during the incident.

    The seven boys, all between the ages of 16 and 17, threw balloons filled with tap water as an end-of-year prank at Enloe High School in Raleigh. The balloons were rumored to be filled with “other substances,” but Wake County Public School System spokeswoman Renee McCoy said “all indications” were that only water was used.

    Six of the teens were charged with disorderly conduct. The seventh was charged with assault and battery for hitting a school security officer with a balloon.

You've got to respect the uniform -- even if that uniform is a 50/50 polyester/ugly blend. If other students, teachers and administration staff get hit, that's a paddlin' simple "disorderly conduct" (a.k.a., the cop's best friend). And if you can't respect the security guard's uniform, you had damn well better respect the boys in blue, or you'll get thrown to the ground for throwing water balloons.

Kevin Hines, the parent who was arrested, was just acting out of concern for a student's wellbeing. No good deed goes unpunished, not when we're sending cops after kids armed with water balloons.

    Kevin Hines said saw Raleigh police officers acting aggressively towards a student they were arresting when he drove up to the school.

    "Being lifted up by the neck and taken down hard," Hines said.

    Hines said he tried to intervene was but was told he didn't know the whole story. Hines complied and said he wished to speak to the principal.

    "You're just trying to cause trouble. Get out," Hines said an officer told him.

    Hines said he then attempted to talk to a lieutenant but was approached by two officers and threatening with a TASER. Hines said he told the officers that wasn't necessary.

    "They arrested me on grounds of trespassing," Hines said. "So, they put cuffs on me and carried me away."

Swell. An unarmed parent who's concerned that someone (NOT A COP) might get hurt is handcuffed, threatened with a taser and charged for "causing trouble," which apparently goes on the books as "second degree trespassing."

Another parent is "causing trouble" as well, although this might be the kind of trouble that sticks:

    The mother of an Enloe High School student has filed a complaint with the Raleigh Police Department after an officer threw her son to the ground Thursday as police responded to a water balloon battle at the school.

Call me naive, but I never thought I'd ever read a sentence this incongruous in my life: "...as police responded to a water balloon battle..." Tase me. Tase me now, lord. At least it wasn't a water pistol fight. Martial law would have been declared and the National Guard called in.

Here's the school's official statement on the "event."

    Renee McCoy, a representative of Wake County Public Schools, said they rely on the training of the Raleigh Police Department in these situations. "We leave those decisions up to Raleigh PD," McCoy said.

Punt.

Seven kids with misdemeanors on their records ("released on bail" -- I am not kidding) for throwing weaponized water. I'm not really sure what schools are teaching kids at this point -- that every minor infraction must be dealt with swiftly and brutally? That violating school policies is a criminal offence? Whatever they're trying to teach by jettisoning critical thinking and replacing it with zero tolerance cops on speed dial, it's not getting through. All students are going to learn is that school administration has farmed out its disciplinary responsibilities to a variety of humorless, uniformed thugs -- some private, some public -- and that there really is no crime too small.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130 … oons.shtml
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an old once lady took offense at me and some friends throwing water balloons around in a quiet, empty public garden. we were about 13-14, and she strode right up to a gang of us and demanded all of our names, and said she was going to report our 'bad behaviour' to police. most of my other friends were too dumbstruck/afraid to do anything except obligingly give the old crook their names, as if she wielded authority. i told her my name was 'bill cosby', and she wrote it down on her notepad and said she was going to report me.

if i lived in the american south, i'd probably be in a desert prison camp by now.
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A 29-year-old Zumba instructor was sentenced to 10 months in jail Friday for engaging in prostitution out of her fitness studio in the picturesque town of Kennebunk, Maine.

In addition to the time in jail, Alexis Wright must pay more than $57,000 in restitution and $1,000 in fines, according to a sentencing memorandum.

Prosecutors dropped more than 80 other counts and downplayed the more serious tax related charges from felonies to misdemeanors, according to the sentencing documents.

Wright's lawyer Sarah Churchill told CNN Friday that the outcome was fair and that "it was also important to be able to close this phase, so that Alexis can move forward and begin to heal from all of this."
10 months in prison for having sex for money. freest country in the world
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Macbeth wrote:

A 29-year-old Zumba instructor was sentenced to 10 months in jail Friday for engaging in prostitution out of her fitness studio in the picturesque town of Kennebunk, Maine.

In addition to the time in jail, Alexis Wright must pay more than $57,000 in restitution and $1,000 in fines, according to a sentencing memorandum.

Prosecutors dropped more than 80 other counts and downplayed the more serious tax related charges from felonies to misdemeanors, according to the sentencing documents.

Wright's lawyer Sarah Churchill told CNN Friday that the outcome was fair and that "it was also important to be able to close this phase, so that Alexis can move forward and begin to heal from all of this."
10 months in prison for having sex for money. freest country in the world
a program went out on UK tv a week or so ago about a 14 year old kid who is serving life in prison for helping his friend kill his abusive step-father.

true story. a minor given life.
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SCOTUS just ruled a few years back that it was illegal to execute minors.
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Arrest is always violent. The NYPD may or may not break your ribs, but the process of arrest in America is still a man tying your hands behind your back at gunpoint and locking you in a cage. Holding cells are shit-encrusted boxes, often too crowded to sit down. Police can leave you there for three days; long enough to lose your job. If this seems obvious, I say it because the polite middle classes trivialize arrest. They talk about "keeping people off the streets." They don't realize that the constant threat of arrest is traumatic, unless it happens to them or their kids.
http://www.vice.com/read/new-york-cops- … ng-condoms

The rest of the article is a decent read if you have a few minutes to spare.

Although, this part caught my eye. I was talking to a cop a couple of weeks ago about innocent people being arrested and he gave me the "it's for the good of the many/so we make sure the bad guys don't get away" line. I think the reasoning is a way for people to cope with the foul and nasty line of work they are in.

They should require some basic criminal justice classes to first year high school students. We have the means to use the system to protect us but people are either busy, lazy or have no faith in the system because of their encounters with the law to learn the inner-workings of the machine.

How is the system run in your country?

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Adams_BJ
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Don't like getting arrested, don't get arrested.
Dilbert_X
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Don't like getting arrested -> Don't disagree with the govt, or annoy the Police

UK Police have far too much power, and no checks and balances to speak of.

SA and NT Police don't seem too bad, not so sure about the others, Victoria is rife with corruption and bully-boys, NSW seems similar.

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When was the last time UK police fired 40 rounds into someone for being off their meds?
Dilbert_X
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Well, they shot someone seven times in the head because they're incompetent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_J … de_Menezes

That they did so is bad enough, that no-one was held responsible for brutally killing a random person is worse.

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to be fair to the UK police the number of incidents where they've opened fire in a shooting spree killing innocent people is probably < 20 times in 2 decades. not a great record, by any measure, but it certainly isn't comparable to the USA. gun cops in the UK are only involved in high-security situations, and they are generally a 'slice above' normal street-coppers, unlike in america where in most states there's normally the risk of guns implicated in everything - from a traffic stop to report a broken tail-light, to the more serious and heavy stuff.

the system of arrests in this country is pretty stupid. i could probably write a good few paragraphs about it. all i'll say is that the protocol of reading you your rights is a perverse oxymoron, nothing but pure formality, because from the moment you are being cuffed and arrested is the moment your treatment as a human being becomes completely dehumanized. i also recently had to go through quite a lot of legal bother writing letters because of a 'flaw' in the legal system that meant my life could still be adversely affected - even though i didn't commit a single crime, and couldn't be held/convicted for anything. i personally feel like the police abused their knowledge of this system to 'score points' for their own jobs/stat-keeping, and rushed me through signing a few documents on my release that could have potentially ruined many job applications. i had the legal nous to represent myself when i was being interviewed, but they totally stung me on the paperwork, and misrepresented it (in my honest opinion). luckily that's all sorted now. in fact, the supreme court ruled against the home office (i.e. the government) saying this exact system had to be changed, because it was a direct contravention of the european human rights bill. it's essentially a system where the pieces of paper you sign to be released from custody, even when completely innocent of all suspected crimes, can still hold you in a state of 'semi' criminality-- and can still show up on job applications/background checks. completely ludicrous system. the police and government were basically colluding to abuse this system - a system of keeping background info originally devised to keep the public safe from pedophiles and the like - to make their own station/department performance look better. not quite an arrest, but still inflated their figures. very 'the wire'.

i'll also say that the ignorance and attitudes of the police are pretty judgemental and stupid, as you'd expect. extremely abusive, loud, and violent drunks who had been fighting, and who were in the cells 'drying out' overnight were treated with a lot more kindness and lightheartedness than me - all because i was arrested with (completely legal) powders. i wasn't loud, abusive, or anything. i was calm and polite. but there you go. alcohol and its abuse is a big blindspot in our society in general, i think. the police are probably the last bunch of people you can expect to hold liberal or progressive views on the matter, so it's only a minor complaint.

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Once the police decide you're a crim, you're a crim and always will be.
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except i wasn't a crim. i didn't break any laws. there was nothing incriminating about my case.

though the labour-installed national background database would have blithely insinuated my criminality in all future job applications, had i not gone to some considerable lengths to correct it. i mean really: a background-check system to keep paedophiles from working with school-children, being used to keep 'released from custody' signatures against a (non-child offending) person's name?

i'd say that's a fairly illegal system.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho … 71325.html

i should add to the reporting above that it's not only 'minor' or 'spent' convictions. the CRB - particularly its 'enhanced' version - discloses all police records to do with your name. hence me having to write to a commissioner to get my database entry wiped. i had a 'record' because i had been detained and released - despite breaking no laws. no official warning, no conviction, no offence. but a file against me because i had spent a night in a cell, after breaking no law. okay. i could maybe - maybe - see how that could be of interest to any police officer who arrests me in the future. as information supplied to employers? that's a disgrace.

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Adams_BJ
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I support kidney punching during violent arrests.
Dilbert_X
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You were arrested on reasonable suspicion IIRC, for some jobs the record is never wiped clean, you don't even get to know the record exists - mostly govt jobs though.

If its the same system for everyone its hardly unfair, best to keep your nose clean I guess.

And Labour were more totalitarian than the Conservatives - who'd have thought?

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Dilbert_X wrote:

You were arrested on reasonable suspicion IIRC, for some jobs the record is never wiped clean, you don't even get to know the record exists - mostly govt jobs though.
if someone is innocent you cannot hold them in a state of criminality. you cannot disclose information to employers that will affect their future chance of employment. that's a breach of human rights. and no, i'm not talking about high-security government jobs, where they need to vet you (and your family). i'm talking about applying for any routine job for any normal corporate company that, as a matter of routine, asks for a background-check. it would have showed on my applications to all employers that i was arrested once. for breaking no law. i.e. not a criminal. okay great. on paper i'm a straight-A's top student with excellent extra-curriculars. but because i got held once for taking legal highs, i'm supposed to never be able to find a job? i suppose you would find that fair.

anyway, i only had to send a sternly-written letter. they know that they are misrepresenting and abusing the release-document signature system. the police are fully aware of the way they've been abusing this system now, for many years. as are the courts. hence why the court ruled against the government, not something that happens often. a complete misapplication of justice. i feel sorry for the 3 individuals who pushed the case in the first place. i mean a kid who was never allowed on a university course, job apprenticeship, or anything... all because he stole a bike when was a kid. that's stupid.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

If its the same system for everyone its hardly unfair, best to keep your nose clean I guess.
rofl that is laughable. so because the same unfair system applies to everyone, it's not unfair? hahahaha. all you are doing there is parroting the dumb attitude of the police: "you're always a crim in their eyes". i hope you realize there are a whole bunch of scenarios where innocent, upstanding people can be arrested, or get into trouble with the law. traffic offences, for one thing. or perhaps you got drunk one night and got caught pissing in an alley by an officer. would you really want that being brought up in every job interview for the rest of your life? no. all you are doing is applying that stupid puritan-granny attitude of "well, if you get in trouble in the first place, you deserve it".

i think you need to check the concept of 'justice' and 'human rights'. a government system that keeps and discloses information about you to employers that are of no public interest (i.e. discloses no criminality or anything to be worried about) is not a 'fair' system. it's a bureaucratic mess that hampers individual freedom, to no gain whatsoever.

and my nose was 'clean'. i was arrested in possession of a legal substance. my powder was about as 'dirty' as table salt. thank you very much.

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